Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Faux Socialist

[jimbo]

So she's at least three times smarter than Trump.

That's arguable.

 

[Sampson Simpson]

you right wing hacks are so dumb and dishonest. You can have money and still fight fo the poor. God, why do you people make these stupid deflections all the time. Actually, its more noble, they have money, they would sacrifice more in tax money to help others out.

Jesus christ, why are right wingers so ****ing dumb

 

[Grokmaster]

Your city on socialism:

Most liveable cities 2018:
1. Vienna, Austria
2. Melbourne, Australia
3. Osaka, Japan
4. Calgary, Canada
5. Sydney, Australia
6. Vancouver, Canada
7. (tie) Toronto, Canada
7. (tie) Tokyo, Japan
9. Copenhagen, Denmark
10. Adelaide, Australia

Austria-capitalism
Australia-capitalism
Japan-capitalism
Canada-capitalism

and?

 

[Port & Starboard]

Conservatives worship rich people and have no problem seeing millionaires and billionaires with planes, gold plated watches, ridiculous houses and so on because it's all "signs of their success". You're criticizing her because you have an agenda. She's not a socialist, she supports Democratic Socialism. If you're trying to pretend that most of Europe is the same as USSR style Stalinist socialism, you're not being honest. Nothing about it means there won't be rich and poor or that the state owns everything.

So really, when's the last time you've criticized a Republican for wearing nice clothes? Be specific.

LOL....

I saw plenty of unhinged liberals when Melania wore heels while boarding a jet.

Who are you trying to kid again this time?

 

[Grokmaster]

Why don't you post some scary images of the rot and decay of 'socialist' Europe? I was in Switzerland last year - horrible stuff....:roll:

Those images are just preaching to the converted, presumably those who haven't traveled or even viewed images of the "socialist" hellholes all over the industrialized world.

Switzerland is not socialist.

Venezuela is SOCIALIST, as in nationalized economy.

Get informed.

 

[Grokmaster]

you right wing hacks are so dumb and dishonest. You can have money and still fight fo the poor. God, why do you people make these stupid deflections all the time. Actually, its more noble, they have money, they would sacrifice more in tax money to help others out.

Jesus christ, why are right wingers so ****ing dumb

You cannot preach income redistribution, while keeping your OWN WEALTH, w/o being a FLAMING HYPOCRITE, aka: TYPICAL SOCIALIST LEADER.


Why are leftists so ****ing wrong about everything?

 

[Winchester]

Seriously, I haven't seen a hissy fit this bad from the right since Hillary. They must really be worried about her and are grabbing at anything they can get because they can't beat her on policy.

It's just long term strategic planning on the republican side. Start the discredit campaign early and often for anyone that is a potential leader on the left. Doesn't matter if what is said is true or not it's just sowing the seeds.

 

[JasperL]

Switzerland is not socialist.

Venezuela is SOCIALIST, as in nationalized economy.

Get informed.

And the policies of what you're calling "socialists" like Ocasio-Cortez are similar to those in place in Switzerland and much of western Europe versus Venezuela. That's the core problem of your dishonest comparison. She's not proposing or supportive of "nationalizing" the economy.

The biggest and most expensive policy proposal of the "socialists" like her is some form of universal healthcare, which exists in virtually all if not every single industrialized economy on the planet (I know of zero exceptions). At its most extreme, it's 'Medicare for all' or the socialist program for our seniors that seniors love and no politician will threaten to end. Wow! That will turn us into a socialist hellhole like....Europe, Australia, Israel, New Zealand, etc...........

 

[Grokmaster]

It's just long term strategic planning on the republican side. Start the discredit campaign early and often for anyone that is a potential leader on the left. Doesn't matter if what is said is true or not it's just sowing the seeds.

Hilarious claim from a supporter of the same JACKASSES who just pulled the Kavanaugh hearings CLOWN SHOW, followed by the Big Feinstein "accusation letter". :lamo

 

[Grokmaster]

And the policies of what you're calling "socialists" like Ocasio-Cortez are similar to those in place in Switzerland and much of western Europe versus Venezuela. That's the core problem of your dishonest comparison. She's not proposing or supportive of "nationalizing" the economy.

The biggest and most expensive policy proposal of the "socialists" like her is some form of universal healthcare, which exists in virtually all if not every single industrialized economy on the planet (I know of zero exceptions). At its most extreme, it's 'Medicare for all' or the socialist program for our seniors that seniors love and no politician will threaten to end. Wow! That will turn us into a socialist hellhole like....Europe, Australia, Israel, New Zealand, etc...........

Wrong again.

Here policies are similar to those instituted in VENEZUELA.


The EU has FAR LOWER CAPITAL GAINS TAXES than the US, the SEAT OF THE EU, BELGIUM has ZERO CAPITAL GAINS TAXES. ( So much for that "socialist" thingy. )


Please cite the Champagne Socialist calling for that.

 

[GottaGo]

You took Infowars' word for it at face value and are now basing your opinions off that. So yes, I would call that trust. When you can even prove that's actually what those clothes cost you'll have some credibility.

A few points:
UHC
- Quality of care is NOT anywhere near the best. It also doesn't help that tens of millions of Americans have NO HEALTHCARE AT ALL, so that doesn't help the numbers. (Ranked #36 in healthcare outcomes by WHO)
- You have no idea what you're talking about with UHC. Germany has UHC and it still has health insurance companies. You pick your own insurance company then you pick your own doctor. You can also opt-out and go private if you don't want to be in the public system. It's half the cost per capita and provides better outcomes. What the **** does this have to do with her and her clothes?
- No it's not the same cluster****. You're ignoring our problems by pretending they're normal.

You can't really argue against her politics so you attack her clothing. How ridiculously catty of you. I haven't seen you say a god damn word about the clothing of Republicans. This is purely about competing ideologies for you and you're terrified of her message so you attack petty things because you know your arguments are unconvincing.

Is Infowars pricing spot on? Maybe, but those are not average off-the-rack clothing. You know, the places the working person could not afford to shop.

You are confusing healthCARE with health INSURANCE. All Americans have access to healthCARE, even if it is walking into the ER. Insurance is a method of payment, it has nothing to do with actual care, a common misconception.

UHC is the government doing what it does best - taxing everybody for the benefit of the few, accumulating funds, applying administrative costs, and providing dubious outcomes at best. Congratulations to Germany, we are not Germany, are we? Contributing to a societal pool, by one name or another, be it Medicare, Medicaid or UHC, is the same - paying for other people's expenses. There is no need to go to 'UHC' as we already have those programs. And our government has handled those programs so well and efficiently.*sarcasm alert*

You are the one who brought up the peripheral subjects.

I can't argue against her politics? Which part would you like to argue, even after your 'What the **** does this have to do with her and her clothes?' comment. I disagree with virtually all of her 'politics'. I don't believe other people should have to pay for some people to have things for 'free' who are perfectly capable of working to pay for them if they want them badly enough, I don't believe that people should continue to depend on the people who work for their money so that they don't have to. I don't believe people should be looking to the government to solve all their problems, at my expense.

 

[YorkshirePete]

Once again she shows what her view of socialism is and it all starts with the wealth being distributed to her.

She did a photo op with construction workers to show she is a champion the poor.. all while wearing a $1990 Gabriela Hearst blazer, $890 Gabriela Hearst pants and $625 Monolo Blahnik shoes.

If you remember she also claimed in the past working class girl from the Bronx yet she mostly grew up in wealthy Westchester County. She actually grew up middle class and her architect father sent her to Boston University to study economics and international relations.

It's claimed that she also showed her support for the working class when was a barmaid and took all $500 of the tips after a holiday night at the bar, leaving the waitresses with only $50.

The article above has a photo of her and the construction worker and bit more:

https://www.infowars.com/socialist-...utfit-for-photo-op-with-construction-workers/

Yeah, I know, but the source...... So here is the same photo and another in her own tweet in which she states "The way we make sure ALL work is dignified is by ensuring all people can meet their needs working 40 hours a week." Looks like she is meeting her needs quite well.

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https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1037727947505971200/photo/1

It's called the good old American way, I have mine, screw you
Except she was waitressing

 

[YorkshirePete]

You cannot preach income redistribution, while keeping your OWN WEALTH, w/o being a FLAMING HYPOCRITE, aka: TYPICAL SOCIALIST LEADER.


Why are leftists so ****ing wrong about everything?

I presume you have no idea of the socialist programs you are or will be sucking off?
Google, there are hundreds

 

[Grokmaster]

It's called the good old American way, I have mine, screw you
Except she was waitressing

Belgium has ZERO capital gains taxes, and nearly all of the rest of the EU have FAR LOWER capital gains taxes than the US.

You know, your "socialist" heroes...

 

[ataraxia]

Conservatives worship rich people and have no problem seeing millionaires and billionaires with planes, gold plated watches, ridiculous houses and so on because it's all "signs of their success". You're criticizing her because you have an agenda. She's not a socialist, she supports Democratic Socialism. If you're trying to pretend that most of Europe is the same as USSR style Stalinist socialism, you're not being honest. Nothing about it means there won't be rich and poor or that the state owns everything.

So really, when's the last time you've criticized a Republican for wearing nice clothes? Be specific.

I bolded the "you're not being honest" because I am not sure if the people making such claims really know better and are not being honest, or just that ignorant and gullible that they buy all the Koch brothers and Fox News propaganda that readily. Hard to say. I would say that among the Trump base, there is a bit of both. It's a big basket of deplorables there, after all, not just one variety: the Koch brothers and wall street types who just don't want to pay any taxes, the uneducated whom Trump loves so much, the women who really don't mind having their p-s grabbed at random, the racists and xenophobes, the "it's a war on Christmas" type Evangelicals, etc, etc.... basically not even a basket, but more like a snake pit.

 

[Visbek]

Yeah, that's why I put what I did in there, recognizing that some lib would automatically judge the source so I will add this tidbit for you: If the source directly cites, then the source is irrelevant as long as the cite can be verified independently.

You didn't verify it independently. The only source you cited was Infowars, which is tainted beyond repair. Or perhaps I missed the part of the Tweet where she wrote "$1400 PRADA BICHES!!!"

 

[Gaius46]

Once again she shows what her view of socialism is and it all starts with the wealth being distributed to her.

She did a photo op with construction workers to show she is a champion the poor.. all while wearing a $1990 Gabriela Hearst blazer, $890 Gabriela Hearst pants and $625 Monolo Blahnik shoes.

If you remember she also claimed in the past working class girl from the Bronx yet she mostly grew up in wealthy Westchester County. She actually grew up middle class and her architect father sent her to Boston University to study economics and international relations.

It's claimed that she also showed her support for the working class when was a barmaid and took all $500 of the tips after a holiday night at the bar, leaving the waitresses with only $50.

The article above has a photo of her and the construction worker and bit more:

https://www.infowars.com/socialist-...utfit-for-photo-op-with-construction-workers/

Yeah, I know, but the source...... So here is the same photo and another in her own tweet in which she states "The way we make sure ALL work is dignified is by ensuring all people can meet their needs working 40 hours a week." Looks like she is meeting her needs quite well.

View attachment 67240354
https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1037727947505971200/photo/1

Do you know that the prices quoted are accurate?
Do you know that that's what she actually paid for the clothes?
Do you know that what she's wearing are actually the brands listed in the linked piece and not cheap knockoffs?


Frankly decent clothing costs money. $3,000 in NYC is high but it's certainly not exorbitant.

 

[JasperL]

Wrong again.

Here policies are similar to those instituted in VENEZUELA.

If you want to cite them, that would be great, which ones are NOT in place in Europe, but I know you cannot.

The EU has FAR LOWER CAPITAL GAINS TAXES than the US, the SEAT OF THE EU, BELGIUM has ZERO CAPITAL GAINS TAXES. ( So much for that "socialist" thingy. )

Please cite the Champagne Socialist calling for that.

As to capital gains rates, it's not that simple. For example, here are a few of those "socialist" European countries and their capital gains rates:

Austria - 25%
Denmark - 28%-42%
Finland - 32%
France - 34.5%
Germany 28%
Etc.....

Tired of typing them out - see the rest here: https://www.accountancyineurope.com/articles/capital-gains-tax-europe/ or here: https://taxfoundation.org/capital-gains-rate-country-2011-oecd/

 

[JasperL]

Belgium has ZERO capital gains taxes, and nearly all of the rest of the EU have FAR LOWER capital gains taxes than the US.

You know, your "socialist" heroes...

Cite? Thanks.

 

[noonereal]

Belgium has ZERO capital gains taxes, and nearly all of the rest of the EU have FAR LOWER capital gains taxes than the US.

You know, your "socialist" heroes...

Inequities in the world abound, there are no two ways around it.:3oops:

 

[Spartacus FPV]

I presume you have no idea of the socialist programs you are or will be sucking off?
Google, there are hundreds

Name one? Social programs are not socialist, socialism requires social ownership and democratic control of the means of production.

Also, anyone who thinks the Nordic model is socialist is equally ignorant.

 

[JasperL]

Name one? Social programs are not socialist, socialism requires social ownership and democratic control of the means of production.

Also, anyone who thinks the Nordic model is socialist is equally ignorant.

It's hard to debate the issue because those on this thread calling someone "socialist" assume those programs ARE socialist programs, and people like Bernie and AOC who describe themselves as democratic socialists don't advocate for nationalizing the economy, but effectively just for greater social spending, or more/different regulation of the private economy.

 

[Sabre]

You didn't verify it independently. The only source you cited was Infowars, which is tainted beyond repair. Or perhaps I missed the part of the Tweet where she wrote "$1400 PRADA BICHES!!!"

If you are referring to that line as being in the article linked, obviously you did not read the original article linked, so yeah you missed because that 'ain't' there either!

Also it was up to you to prove what was cited there is false which evidently you can't. I did look at other sources (which you clearly haven't) and like most media, they echo what someone else has written if they did not originate it.

 

[Tigerace117]

Yes, that's why I put what I did in there, recognizing that some lib would automatically judge the source so I will add this tidbit for you: If the source directly cites, then the source is irrelevant as long as the cite can be verified independently. So, take off the binders and prove that what is cited in the article is false, otherwise that says all that needs saying about you claim.

Infowars is bull****. It does nothing more than spew vile lies about the victims of tragedies like terrorist attacks and mass shootings. There are few, if any, less reliable sources of information out there. You going “Infowars is okay because it sticks it to the libs durr hurr” is very telling.

Oh really? What, exactly, claim by Infowars do you think has been “verified”?

But all means, cling to your precious conspiracy theories.

 

[Visbek]

If you are referring to that line as being in the article linked, obviously you did not read the original article linked, so yeah you missed because that 'ain't' there either!

I categorically refuse to give Infowars any traffic whatsoever. Yes, that's how bad they are.

Also it was up to you to prove what was cited there is false which evidently you can't.

It is not my responsibility to try and refute a conspiracy theory website.