Alabama Senate approves near-total ban on abortion; sends bill to the governor

[vegas giants]

Apparently so as long as said pregnancy can only legally be terminated by the pregnant woman whilst the Federal government and 38 States have fetal homicide statutes for everyone else.

Yeah that is a dumb law

 

[vegas giants]

I think women should be held accountable for their choices and that includes rampant abuse of a right. I think the mass extermination of living things because it’s inconvenient for women to take responsibility for the consequences of their choices is morally repugnant. If your primary concern is the convenience of pregnancy then you should be promoting a right to access reversible sterilization rather than on-demand abortion in cases that don’t involve medical necessity, rape or incest.

On demand abortion works just fine as birth control

 

[vegas giants]

You have exceptions to every rule. You are talking about a small percentage. Although I completely disagree that the unborn life should be killed, I realize that it's not a perfect world and there would have to be exceptions.

I guess because sometimes its murder of a baby....and sometimes magically its not?

 

[vegas giants]

How obtuse can you get??

A clear list of unalienable rights are clearly stated in (not established by) the DoI which is the first article of US organic law and the foundation upon which the constitution was written. I suggest you retake civics or at least watch a few episodes of Schoolhouse Rock.

Geez, the ignorance on this board is frightening.

The DOI has no standing in US law. None.


How can you not know this?

 

[AGENT J]

Apparently so as long as said pregnancy can only legally be terminated by the pregnant woman whilst the Federal government and 38 States have fetal homicide statutes for everyone else.

apparently still not and just your feelings and what you posted doesnt support your claim in any way


also good should be all the states IMO

 

[Deuce]

100% of the conservative platform surrounding abortion is about making sure women suffer consequences for having sex, not for protecting the unborn.

 

[americanwoman]

:lol: Just came across this:

Stephanie Wittels Wachs
‏@wittelstephanie

Make no mistake - a state that criminalizes abortion but ranks 50th in public education doesn’t give a **** about children.

4:06 AM - 15 May 2019

Access Denied

Yup, sure enough Alabama at #50.

 

[danarhea]

It's about time someone who is conservative comes in here to tell it like it is.

Abortion, legal or not, will forever happen.

This upsets some folks.

I agree. And let me add this - If the religious right in Alabama truly believed in right to life, they would try to do something about Alabama's dismal record of maternal deaths to both mothers and their babies. This is nothing more than about political power to them, and their suggestion that this is all about life is a bald faced lie.

 

[Napoleon]

By you? Who the **** put you in charge?

By the State in a society which thus far has made men more accountable for their sexual exploits than women.

Again, as determined by you? What the **** do you know about any woman's particular circumstance?

What the numerous surveys of these women tell me.

Such stupidity is totally devoid of any thinking.

You don’t think the termination of well over 600,000 lives annually constitutes mass extermination? If you support it then at least have the courage of your convictions and call it what it is.

 

[Trump]

100% of the conservative platform surrounding abortion is about making sure women suffer consequences for having sex, not for protecting the unborn.

Me personally...nothing to do with religion. It’s a disgusting brutal violent act that doesn’t need to happen.

people making lazy choices when multiple options exist.

Watch the debate unfold on cable news....mothers are gonna find themselves defending Abortion and it’s not gonna be easy....see Melissa Malano already looks uneasy making points. Not a slam dunk debate as some think.

 

[jwzg]

The DOI has no standing in US law. None.


How can you not know this?

DoI as Organic Law

It's part of US Code and the basis upon which the Constitution was written. Therefore, it's pretty much in your face as permanent. It has not been superseded as has the AoC.

 

[vegas giants]

DoI as Organic Law

It's the basis upon which the Constitution was written, so it's pretty much in your face as permanent. It has not been superseded as has the AoC.

It has absolutely zero bearing on US law.


This is hilarious

 

[jwzg]

It has absolutely zero bearing on US law.


This is hilarious

Only to you.

 

[j brown's body]

Stand around everybody. We need to be lectured by a man on how pregnancy is an irresponsibility of just women.

Not to mention that access to abortion is clearly something many women want to have.

 

[vegas giants]

Only to you.

And the US legal system

 

[Deuce]

Me personally...nothing to do with religion. It’s a disgusting brutal violent act that doesn’t need to happen.

people making lazy choices when multiple options exist.

Watch the debate unfold on cable news....mothers are gonna find themselves defending Abortion and it’s not gonna be easy....see Melissa Malano already looks uneasy making points. Not a slam dunk debate as some think.

13 year old girl is raped by her father, impregnated. Do you think she should be forced to carry the child to term?

 

[Integrityrespec]

This bill and others like it are designed to bring attention to the growing expansion of abortion time lines and hopefully get the abortion question back into the Supreme Court for some kind of ruling that takes into account the fate of the unborn child living in the womb.

 

[Trump]

13 year old girl is raped by her father, impregnated. Do you think she should be forced to carry the child to term?

No

I imagine a World without Abortion Clinics but with RU 486

Both sides lose

 

[Deuce]

No

This is what I'm talking about. Making sure women suffer consequences for having sex.

If it's about saving a living human, in any law surrounding abortions just replace the fetus with a four year old. We'd never kill a four year old just because it was discovered to be a product of rape or incest. The reason rape and incest exceptions exist is because rape and incest victims didn't choose to have sex, so shouldn't be expected to bear the consequences.

Abstinence-only education has the same effect. It doesn't decrease abortions, it increases STDs and pregnancies. (and therefore increases abortions too) It's about making sure there are consequences.

Opposing Gardasil, the hpv vaccine? Same thing. Gardasil's only effect is to decrease the possible consequences for having sex. Opposing it increases those consequences.

I imagine a World without Abortion Clinics but with RU 486

Both sides lose

How about a world where abortions are free, safe, and rare?

 

[Trump]

How about a world where abortions are free, safe, and rare?

If it was that easy the Dems would have passed laws decades ago when they had majority.

You think PETA would be supporting animals lining up at Petsmart for Abortions by the thousands every day?

It’s a barbaric practice that Politicians on the left are gonna be forced to debate Nationally...I’m happy to have that debate...finally

 

[jwzg]

And the US legal system

No, just you.

 

[vegas giants]

If it was that easy the Dems would have passed laws decades ago when they had majority.

You thing PETA would be supporting animals lining up at Petsmart for Abortions by the thousands every day?

It’s a barbaric practice that Politicians on the left are gonna be forced to debate Nationally...I’m happy to have that debate...finally

It's legal in every civilized country on the planet.

Barbaric....lol

 

[vegas giants]

No, just you.

And the US legal system

 

[SmartCat]

To be clear, I'm just saying that you made a Marxist statement, not that you are a Marxist. You don't have to be a Marxist, to make a Marxist statement.

Manifesto of the Communist Party, by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, February 1848

Chapter II: Proletarians and Communists

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.
Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public
purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank
with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the
State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the
bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally
in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for
agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of
all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the
populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s
factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial
production, &c, &c.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf

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Marx advocated good policies that have been in effect in all affluent democracies, especially "A heavy progressive or graduated income tax," and "Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form." He did not advocate universal health care.

Nor did Marx advocate the totalitarian methods used in his name during the twentieth century. Nevertheless, he did inspire them, so he is not wholly innocent.

Saying that a policy is bad because Karl Marx advocated it is an example of the Guilt by Association Fallacy.

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A guilt by association fallacy occurs when someone connects an opponent to a demonized group of people or to a bad person in order to discredit his or her argument. The idea is that the person is “guilty” by simply being similar to this “bad” group and, therefore, should not be listened to about anything.

"guilt by association fallacy" - Google Search

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The guilt by association fallacy is a fallacy because people we dislike can present valid arguments, and advocate beneficial policies. For example, when the Nazis came to power in Germany they passed laws against cruelty to animals. This does not mean that cruelty to animals is justified.

So, I repeat my argument that those who claim to be pro life make an inconsistent claim if they are not in favor of universal health care given freely to everyone regardless of the ability to pay.

 

[Trump]

Manifesto of the Communist Party, by Karl Marx and Frederick Engels, February 1848

Chapter II: Proletarians and Communists

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.
Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public
purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank
with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the
State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the
bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally
in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for
agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of
all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the
populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s
factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial
production, &c, &c.

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/download/pdf/Manifesto.pdf

----------

Marx advocated good policies that have been in effect in all affluent democracies, especially "A heavy progressive or graduated income tax," and "Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form." He did not advocate universal health care.

Nor did Marx advocate the totalitarian methods used in his name during the twentieth century. Nevertheless, he did inspire them, so he is not wholly innocent.

Saying that a policy is bad because Karl Marx advocated it is an example of the Guilt by Association Fallacy.

----------

A guilt by association fallacy occurs when someone connects an opponent to a demonized group of people or to a bad person in order to discredit his or her argument. The idea is that the person is “guilty” by simply being similar to this “bad” group and, therefore, should not be listened to about anything.

"guilt by association fallacy" - Google Search

----------

The guilt by association fallacy is a fallacy because people we dislike can present valid arguments, and advocate beneficial policies. For example, when the Nazis came to power in Germany they passed laws against cruelty to animals. This does not mean that cruelty to animals is justified.

So, I repeat my argument that those who claim to be pro life make an inconsistent claim if they are not in favor of universal health care given freely to everyone regardless of the ability to pay.

So let get this straight...if I proclaim I’m for universal healthcare you think eliminating Abortion Clinics is OK?