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Age in Heaven

haymarket said:
I want to be 27 again.

And that painting is a very nice sentiment.
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I know. I am an agnostic, and I found the sentiment in that picture very poignant and touching. Given how cheesy it is, I was embarrassed to feel some tears welling up. Darn the artist!
 
Elvira said:
Looks more like paradise on earth to me since the Bible says “flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s kingdom, neither does corruption inherit incorruption”...​1 Corinthians 15:50-54...
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There you go again, chopping off and editing - contradicting the Scriptures!

You are sooooo wrong!

Don't corrupt the Bible! Quote the whole thing!



1 Cor 15

A Glorious Body
35 But someone will say, “How are the dead raised up? And with what body do they come?”

36 Foolish one, what you sow is not made alive unless it dies.

37 And what you sow, you do not sow that body that shall be, but mere grain—perhaps wheat or some other grain.

38 But God gives it a body as He pleases,


and to each seed its own body.


39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.

40 There are also celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory.


42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.


43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.

44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.


45 And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.


46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.


47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.


49 And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.


Our Final Victory
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—
52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.

For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.


54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality,


then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”




That should put to rest the deceitful cockamamie teachings of JW!
So, there.
 
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Talk about making **** up... wow.
 
OrphanSlug said:
Talk about making **** up... wow.
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Yep. That's very true.

Jehovah's Witnesses does make things up about the Bible.....as shown.



As to exactly what age we'll be in heaven - there is no clear answer except that we shall be like Jesus.


1 John 3

2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.
 
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Elvira said:
Jesus was not in heaven yet, was he?

“He being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.” 1 Peter 3:18

3 things make it impossible for Jesus to take back his physical body he had before his death, to ascend to heaven...

1. If Jesus took his human body to heaven to keep these wounds forever, this would be contrary to God’s laws governing fleshly bodies and their ability to repair themselves...
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EH?

contrary to God’s laws governing fleshly bodies and their ability to repair themselves :lol:

What on earth are you on about? What God's laws are you spouting off??? :lamo



How about God's laws about dead people walking around? Yooohooooo?

Have you guys read the Bible at all????
Nothing is impossible with Jesus Christ? Haven't you heard how He raised the dead?
Do you think that's normal?




Did it ever occur to you and to your elders at the WatchTower that Jesus has purpose for His wounds thus He appeared to His apostles with His wounds still on Him?
Oh boy.....you guys......:lol:




2. A human body requires earthly elements for its continued existence...it is made for the earth and must subsist upon the things produced from the earth...1 Corinthians 15:40, 47; Isaiah 45:12, 18...Jehovah God would not take a human body out of its proper habitation and transfer it to the heavens, the realm of spirit persons...
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Baloney! God isn't limited nor is He confined by the laws of physics.
You've got Jesus Christ to prove that. Doh?

What's a dead person doing walking around and not decaying???





3. If Jesus sacrificed his human body for the life of the world and then took it back, retaining it for himself, he could not offer such merit before God in behalf of others...the ransom would be taken back, leaving mankind still in their sins...in other words, his ransom would be void...
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Get outa here! You're just trying to wing it as you go along......:lol:
You're not making any sense!


He did sacrifice His human body! It was finished at the cross - the moment He died!
What do you think "It is finished," means? :lol:
 
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MrWonka said:
So if a 1 year old dies and goes to heaven that's all they can ever be? What's the point? Do its parents get stuck changing its diapers for eternity?
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Holy crap!!
 
This thread reminds me of Peter Cook and Dudley Moore's hilarious heaven sketch. Take a peek at it on YouTube.
 
it's just me said:
You tell me.
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There is no such thing as evidence of something not being real. It is not necessary. If someone makes something up, we don't need evidence to show it is made up. That is where lack of evidence comes in.
 
ecofarm said:
That appears to all be referring to Jesus and in His resurrection we find spiritual resurrection. From the blind come saints.
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Is comprehension a problem for you? Isaiah 26:19, "The dead MEN" - plural. Matthew 27:52, "...MANY bodies...rose."
 
Cougarbear said:
Is comprehension a problem for you? Isaiah 26:19, "The dead MEN" - plural. Matthew 27:52, "...MANY bodies...rose."
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That depends on the translation now doesn't it? Many translations say 'the dead', and not 'dead men'.
 
Elvira said:
Jesus was not in heaven yet, was he?

Cougarbear: Oh yes! Many days after the resurrection.

“He being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit.” 1 Peter 3:18

3 things make it impossible for Jesus to take back his physical body he had before his death, to ascend to heaven...

1. If Jesus took his human body to heaven to keep these wounds forever, this would be contrary to God’s laws governing fleshly bodies and their ability to repair themselves...

Cougarbear: So, you say Christ lies when he told the men on the road to Emaus that he wasn't a spirit and had a body of flesh and bones after he was resurrected? Did he lie to Isaiah when Isaiah prophesied that "HIS" meaning Christ, body would rise and dead MEN's (plural) bodies would rise with Christ? Did the Bible lie and Christ lie when he said, "Matthew 27:52
New Testament, 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose?" Why do you deny the very words of the Bible while saying you believe the Bible is the Word of God? Just like Doubting Thomas, you won't believe until you see your own body resurrected.

2. A human body requires earthly elements for its continued existence...it is made for the earth and must subsist upon the things produced from the earth...1 Corinthians 15:40, 47; Isaiah 45:12, 18...Jehovah God would not take a human body out of its proper habitation and transfer it to the heavens, the realm of spirit persons...

Cougarbear: A resurrected body only requires whatever Godly Power to exist in a Resurrected state of Flesh and Bones. It doesn't require human understanding either. Note that "blood" was not mentioned by Christ. So, it doesn't require all elements and human understanding. Heavenly Father makes all this available. There's more but if you are going to limit your understanding to what our pathetically little scientific understanding, then It's doubtful I can enlighten you. By the way, the Earth will be Celestialized and also live forever and those that believe and followed Christ's commandments will live on the celestialized earth. It will become part of Heaven.

3. If Jesus sacrificed his human body for the life of the world and then took it back, retaining it for himself, he could not offer such merit before God in behalf of others...the ransom would be taken back, leaving mankind still in their sins...in other words, his ransom would be void...
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Cougarbear: You lack understanding concerning the Atonement of Christ. The Atonement for our sins was done in the Garden of Gathsemane. The Bible is specific that he took on the sins of the world in the Garden while his Apostles slept. The Atonement has two parts to it. That was the first part. The second part is to fulfill his covenant that if we would be born into this world, that we would not remain dead in our graves. That we would have eternal lives and we would reunite with our bodies in the resurrection after the judgment day. Why doubt ye Christ?
 
RAMOSS said:
That depends on the translation now doesn't it? Many translations say 'the dead', and not 'dead men'.
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Oh stop! The dead refers to all dead. What, you think the dead means just one person. And, what does MANY BODIES refer to? The correct translation then of Isaiah in context with Matthew means Dead mankind. All of us. Good grief!
 
Cougarbear said:
Oh stop! The dead refers to all dead. What, you think the dead means just one person. And, what does MANY BODIES refer to? The correct translation then of Isaiah in context with Matthew means Dead mankind. All of us. Good grief!
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It doesn't say MEN though.
 
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