Aaron Hernandez Advanced CTE

[vegas giants]

No one said what Seau did is normal, or at least I didn't. That was legitimate brain problems.

Hernandez was a gangbanger who happened to make it to the NFL. His football playing had nothing to do with his serial killing.

You don't think CTE can make you crazy?

 

[The Man]

Mike Webster used to pull out his own teeth and super glue them back in. CTE makes you do crazy stuff

Who said CTE made Mike Webster do that? Drugs would be more likely.

 

[vegas giants]

Who said CTE made Mike Webster do that? Drugs would be more likely.

Really? What drugs was he taking that made him repeatedly shock himself with a tazer

 

[The Man]

You don't think CTE can make you crazy?

Can it? Sure it can. Did CTE make Aaron Hernandez into a serial killer before 25 years old? Hell no! That guy was a gang bangin thug who couldn't cut ties with his thug upbringing.

 

[The Man]

Really? What drugs was he taking that made him repeatedly shock himself with a tazer

PCP, Crystal Meth, etc.

 

[Parrish]

No one said what Seau did is normal, or at least I didn't. That was legitimate brain problems.

Hernandez was a gangbanger who happened to make it to the NFL. His football playing had nothing to do with his serial killing.

Mental illness is a legitimate brain problem. Add CTE and the diagnosis is exacerbated.

I'm not making excuses for the guy. It's just the facts.

BTW, every NFL, NHL, every contact sport death, will show CTE in some extent.

 

[VanceMack]

So your position is CTE cannot impair decision making?

Sure. But there is nothing in Aaron Hernandez's behavior that indicates diminished capacity. He demonstrated the ability to choose brutality. He demonstrated the ability to choose passion and concern and care. He demonstrated the ability to choose deception which indicates he was cognizant of right and wrong.

My reaction WAS a little kneejerky. He may have had significant CTE. There is no indication it impacted his choices.


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[vegas giants]

PCP, Crystal Meth, etc.

Yet he was not doing any drugs. Fred Mcneil went to two super bowls. Became a lawyer in his last year in the NFL. Went crazy from CTE and died a babbling man

 

[Parrish]

PCP, Crystal Meth, etc.

Add CTE to that and it makes even more sense for his behavior. You've made the case.

 

[vegas giants]

Sure. But there is nothing in Aaron Hernandez's behavior that indicates diminished capacity. He demonstrated the ability to choose brutality. He demonstrated the ability to choose passion and concern and care. He demonstrated the ability to choose deception which indicates he was cognizant of right and wrong.

My reaction WAS a little kneejerky. He may have had significant CTE. There is no indication it impacted his choices.


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You can not have significant CTE and it NOT effect your choices

 

[beefheart]

So your position is CTE cannot impair decision making?

Only if you are black (or the code word "thug") it seems

 

[The Man]

Add CTE to that and it makes even more sense for his behavior. You've made the case.

I'm sorry, I'm not buying the CTE case with Hernandez. He was a serial killer before 24 years old, was into trouble in college and high school as well. He was a common gangbanger thug.

If he were a decent citizen his entire life, and then started acting out of character in his 50s, I could buy the CTE argument.

 

[Parrish]

There are documented of cases high school and college athletes who committed suicide or engaged in reckless behavior before the age of 25, The Man.

 

[beefheart]

I'm sorry, I'm not buying the CTE case with Hernandez. He was a serial killer before 24 years old, was into trouble in college and high school as well. He was a common gangbanger thug.

If he were a decent citizen his entire life, and then started acting out of character in his 50s, I could buy the CTE argument.

When did he start playing football? I went to school with a guy who had a major concussion in HS football, a few years later, he went nuts and killed a bunch of soldiers in his barracks, they blamed it on his TBI. You can get CTE at a very young age playing tackle football, the data is showing that.

 

[Higgins86]

It's more likely that his ghetto-thug upbringing impaired his decision making.

He actually had quite a normal upbringing, his brother gave a great interview.

https://www.si.com/longform/2016/aaron-hernandez-brother-dj-hernandez/index.html

Such a great piece

 

[Parrish]

I'm sorry, I'm not buying the CTE case with Hernandez. He was a serial killer before 24 years old, was into trouble in college and high school as well. He was a common gangbanger thug.

If he were a decent citizen his entire life, and then started acting out of character in his 50s, I could buy the CTE argument.

I'm done with ya. Good night.

 

[Renae]

So your position is CTE cannot impair decision making?

It's never their fault, it's also something else.

 

[Redress]

It's never their fault, it's also something else.

Ummmmm...CTE does not negate "fault", it merely can be a factor in the sequence of events. I mean, this is not complicated stuff...

 

[beefheart]

It's never their fault, it's also something else.

Have you ever had to work with or be around people who have TBI?

You might learn a lot about this.

 

[Renae]

Have you ever had to work with or be around people who have TBI?

You might learn a lot about this.

I see a scuzzy woman using a tragedy to CHACHING based on... incomplete evidence.

 

[beefheart]

I see a scuzzy woman using a tragedy to CHACHING based on... incomplete evidence.

So, you don't know anything about TBI but you are making conclusions without knowledge.

How sad.

 

[Renae]

So, you don't know anything about TBI but you are making conclusions without knowledge.

How sad.

I don't see how is anyone's fault but his. sorry

 

[calamity]

I don't see how is anyone's fault but his. sorry

A sport that most American sport fans like more than any other game gives athletes brain damage. Like it or not, that's a fact. Aaron Hernandez, one of those brain damaged players, murdered several people. Also a fact.

Maybe we all like the wrong sport.

 

[holbritter]

A sport that most American sport fans like more than any other game gives athletes brain damage. Like it or not, that's a fact. Aaron Hernandez, one of those brain damaged players, murdered several people. Also a fact.

Maybe we all like the wrong sport.

I wonder how many old timers who played back in the day, did things that could be blamed on this. Has anyone ever explored that?

 

[Bum]

We already know that there is a definitive link between Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) and behavioral changes in military members that have experienced roadside bomb blast exposure; many of those that experienced even a single TBI ( And several experienced multiple events ) began to manifest rapid onset mood/behavioral disorders and changes in a short period of time...days, weeks, and months.
While not all TBI patients developed CTE, there is evidence that a good percentage may develop some degree of CTE.

I think its reasonable to assume that CTE in athletes does not have to occur over a long period of time ( a career), when studies have shown that it can develop quickly following a TBI.

Do I think CTE was responsible for the crimes Hernandez committed? No. Could it have played a factor? Definitely.

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