A Democratic Republic or Athoritarianism?

[Ahlevah]

What authoritarian supports the right of the people to keep and bear arms as an individual right? Has anyone ever met one? The authoritarians are the nanny-state Democrats who don't want you to have the right to wipe your own ass without some true-believer government cadre's permission.

 

[Terryj]

We have been living under a nationalist/authoritarian government since FDR, one has to understand that under nationalist/authoritarian ideology the federal government is in charge of the entire country and that States have no say so in the operation of the government. We were founded under the ideology of federalism, where the power resided in the States and the People and the federal government has very limited power.

 

[enderpotato00]

We have been living under a nationalist/authoritarian government since FDR, one has to understand that under nationalist/authoritarian ideology the federal government is in charge of the entire country and that States have no say so in the operation of the government. We were founded under the ideology of federalism, where the power resided in the States and the People and the federal government has very limited power.

Exactly, the government is meant to serve the people, not the other way around

 

[Wry Catcher]

This is just stupid. Not liking Trump is fine, but to suggest that we are in an authoritarian regime is just retarded.

I'm so sorry your denial must be framed solely in an ad hominem, and without an rebuttal to the OP. Sadly I must put your post along with too many others as lacking anything substantive, thoughtful or thought provoking.

Have a bliss day.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

Adepts of capitalism, those who frown at crises, unemployment, falling currencies, but continue to believe in Capital, hate "banksters", but adore "private initiative" - get rid of schizophrenia. Capitalism of the 21st century - financial capitalism, no other is possible anymore. And financial capitalism is completely devoid of any human feelings. This monster, devouring the future of our children, capable of any crime, to continue its existence. The 300% profit that Karl Marx spoke of is still in effect, only with more dire consequences than Marx could have foreseen in 19th century.

 

[Samwise]

Adepts of capitalism, those who frown at crises, unemployment, falling currencies, but continue to believe in Capital, hate "banksters", but adore "private initiative" - get rid of schizophrenia. Capitalism of the 21st century - financial capitalism, no other is possible anymore. And financial capitalism is completely devoid of any human feelings. This monster. devouring the future of our children. capable of any crime, to continue its existence. The 300% profit that Karl Marx spoke of is still valid.

We should ditch "capitalism" and get back to a free market. Junk the federal reserve, fiat money, and bailouts for the banksters.

 

[Ringo Stalin]

The German authorities do not rule out temporary nationalization of companies that are important to the state if they experience difficulties due to the spread of COVID-19 coronavirus infection .
Sweden’s Riksbank will lend up to 500 billion kronor ($51 billion) to domestic banks to help maintain the supply of credit to companies.

As usual - privatization of profits and nationalization of losses. This is how the "free market" works now, here, there and everywhere and always, in general...

 

[aociswundumho]

The German authorities do not rule out temporary nationalization of companies that are important to the state if they experience difficulties due to the spread of COVID-19 coronavirus infection .
Sweden’s Riksbank will lend up to 500 billion kronor ($51 billion) to domestic banks to help maintain the supply of credit to companies.

As usual - privatization of profits and nationalization of losses. This is how the "free market" works now, here, there and everywhere and always, in general...

Does a free market allow companies to socialize their losses, or is it government action that makes it possible?

 

[Samwise]

Does a free market allow companies to socialize their losses, or is it government action that makes it possible?

A free market would allow companies to go bankrupt. Government action makes it possible.

 

[aociswundumho]

A free market would allow companies to go bankrupt. Government action makes it possible.

No, it doesn't. A firm in a place with no government can still go bankrupt.

 

[Samwise]

No, it doesn't. A firm in a place with no government can still go bankrupt.

So you don't know about the bailouts?

 

[aociswundumho]

So you don't know about the bailouts?

Christ, get to the point already.

 

[enderpotato00]

Adepts of capitalism, those who frown at crises, unemployment, falling currencies, but continue to believe in Capital, hate "banksters", but adore "private initiative" - get rid of schizophrenia. Capitalism of the 21st century - financial capitalism, no other is possible anymore. And financial capitalism is completely devoid of any human feelings. This monster, devouring the future of our children, capable of any crime, to continue its existence. The 300% profit that Karl Marx spoke of is still in effect, only with more dire consequences than Marx could have foreseen in 19th century.

Communist aka "delusional"

 

[enderpotato00]

The German authorities do not rule out temporary nationalization of companies that are important to the state if they experience difficulties due to the spread of COVID-19 coronavirus infection .
Sweden’s Riksbank will lend up to 500 billion kronor ($51 billion) to domestic banks to help maintain the supply of credit to companies.

As usual - privatization of profits and nationalization of losses. This is how the "free market" works now, here, there and everywhere and always, in general...

Just like there was no real communism, what we have is not real capitalism. Real capitalism would mean no regulation. We're a mixed economy with more capitalist leanings

 

[Vadinho]

Trump represents the type of leader that the founders would have abhorred. His movement and supporters are subverting the will of the people by forcing the hopes of a minority of us on to the vast majority who cannot stand him or his policies. Tyranny of the minority is just as bad as tyranny of the majority. The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump. They came out by the millions in marches upon his ascendancy. Today, his incompetence has led us to catastrophic drops in the stock market, an almost complete ban on travel, untold millions losing their paychecks now or very soon and gross inequality across the board. He has shown the world that America and Americans cannot be trusted as we once were for decades regardless of which party was in power. He is a stain on everything our nation has done for a century or more to be a beacon of fairness and justice and honor. We may not have lived up to our goals but we kept trying. Trump has thrown it all out the window in three years of total ineptitude and arrogance. He gave himself a 10 out of 10 today. The ego of this man is unfathomable, he is incapable of taking responsibility and admitting failure. We must replace him, I will take anyone over this imbecile.

 

[Marrybore]

Just like there was no real communism, what we have is not real capitalism. Real capitalism would mean no regulation. We're a mixed economy with more capitalist leanings

Does Capitalism = Conservatism?

According to Ian Adams, all American parties are...

liberal and always have been. Essentially, they espouse classical liberalism—that is, a form of democratized Whig constitutionalism, plus the free market. The point of difference comes with the influence of social liberalism".

 

[Empirica]

There are varying levels of nationalism.

Nope...there are no "varying levels of nationalism"...Only varying lies of the meaning of "Nationalism".

Mussolini described his Fascist Italian State as "All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state." The ultimate in nationalism.

Revolutionaries like Mao Zedong and Vladimir Lenin described their states as the "Peoples Republic of China" and "United Soviet Socialist Republic".

But there was absolutely nothing in their misleading descriptions that told what life would actually be like under the oppressive rule of Communism.

Radical Leftist Ideologues have historically gained the trust and support of the masses with wonderful tales and beautiful promises of a Utopia where all wants and needs are provided by a benevolent government.

But when people realize their Utopian Dream is actually a Dystopian Nightmare; their 'nationalist sentiments' are quickly replaced by hate and fear.

There is nothing wrong with having strong feelings of patriotism and national pride, until that form of nationalism supersedes everything else, like Mussolini and Hitler both wanted.

Both "Mussolini and Hitler" were Socialists not Nationalists; and Socialist Dictatorships inevitably evolve into oppressive totalitarian Police States.

i.e.; true "Nationalism" can't exist under Dictatorships such as Mussolini and Hitler.

Nationalists can't love a nation with an oppressive government...It's basic common sense, Glitch.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Nope...there are no "varying levels of nationalism"...Only varying lies of the meaning of "Nationalism".

Revolutionaries like Mao Zedong and Vladimir Lenin described their states as the "Peoples Republic of China" and "United Soviet Socialist Republic".

But there was absolutely nothing in their misleading descriptions that told what life would actually be like under the oppressive rule of Communism.

Radical Leftist Ideologues have historically gained the trust and support of the masses with wonderful tales and beautiful promises of a Utopia where all wants and needs are provided by a benevolent government.

But when people realize their Utopian Dream is actually a Dystopian Nightmare; their 'nationalist sentiments' are quickly replaced by hate and fear.

Both "Mussolini and Hitler" were Socialists not Nationalists; and Socialist Dictatorships inevitably evolve into oppressive totalitarian Police States.

i.e.; true "Nationalism" can't exist under Dictatorships such as Mussolini and Hitler.

Nationalists can't love a nation with an oppressive government...It's basic common sense, Glitch.

It's a good thing that we have (or had) a Constitution which proved the genius of three equal branches of government. Sadly, I have come to believe that Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell have destroyed the separation of power by the use of rules and not laws to secure an Imperial Presidency.

Trumpism is fascism, and fascism uses hate, fear and BIG LIES to divide a nation's people into tribes, and to isolate specific tribes as enemies of the people. Two notable tribes are the Democrats and the Main Stream Mediums; others include people of color, homosexuals, agnostics and atheists, Muslims, and those who protest Trump's policies and rhetoric.

 

[mrdeltoid]

It's a good thing that we have (or had) a Constitution which proved the genius of three equal branches of government. Sadly, I have come to believe that Donald Trump and Mitch McConnell have destroyed the separation of power by the use of rules and not laws to secure an Imperial Presidency.

Trumpism is fascism, and fascism uses hate, [B]fear and BIG LIES to divide a nation's people into tribes, and to isolate specific tribes as enemies of the people.[/B] Two notable tribes are the Democrats and the Main Stream Mediums; others include people of color, homosexuals, agnostics and atheists, Muslims, and those who protest Trump's policies and rhetoric.

"Vice President Biden raised eyebrows today when he referred to the Republican party as wanting to put voters in chains."
VP Biden Says Republicans Are 'Going to Put Y'all Back in Chains' - ABC News

"This goes on every day. Conservatives want to take away your right to vote. They want to ban birth control. Ban mammograms. Control your bodies. Social conservatives are the reason an Islamic terrorist slaughters 49 gay Americans. The ones who claim they care about religious freedom — people who have served and hired gay Americans for years but don’t want to participate in a same-sex wedding — are accused of trying to institute a new Jim Crow. Democrats regularly liken social conservatives to the Klan because they want sex-specific bathrooms for their kids.
If Joe Biden doesn’t like Paul Ryan’s budget — a budget that would have increased spending to its highest levels ever, incidentally — he warns an African-American audience that Republicans are “going to put y’all back in chains.” Why wouldn’t he? There is no blowback for demagoguery. For decades now, if a conservative mentions entitlement it means they want to push an elderly woman off a cliff. If Obamacare is replaced, thousands of Americans will die in the streets. If we don’t sign onto the Democrats’ economic agenda, we’ll plunge into another depression. If we don’t pass a car bailout, we won’t have cars anymore. If we shut down the non-essential parts of the federal government for a few days to haggle over a budget, we are putting American lives at risk. "

Liberals Perfected 'Paranoia And Fear' In Politics.

These are just a few scare tactics the left uses. They're using the COVID-19 pandemic right now. The left has done this with the help of the MSM as far back as I can remember. They can't win on the issues, so they shut debate down with an "ism" or "phobia".

 

[Wry Catcher]

"Vice President Biden raised eyebrows today when he referred to the Republican party as wanting to put voters in chains."
VP Biden Says Republicans Are 'Going to Put Y'all Back in Chains' - ABC News

"This goes on every day. Conservatives want to take away your right to vote. They want to ban birth control. Ban mammograms. Control your bodies. Social conservatives are the reason an Islamic terrorist slaughters 49 gay Americans. The ones who claim they care about religious freedom — people who have served and hired gay Americans for years but don’t want to participate in a same-sex wedding — are accused of trying to institute a new Jim Crow. Democrats regularly liken social conservatives to the Klan because they want sex-specific bathrooms for their kids.
If Joe Biden doesn’t like Paul Ryan’s budget — a budget that would have increased spending to its highest levels ever, incidentally — he warns an African-American audience that Republicans are “going to put y’all back in chains.” Why wouldn’t he? There is no blowback for demagoguery. For decades now, if a conservative mentions entitlement it means they want to push an elderly woman off a cliff. If Obamacare is replaced, thousands of Americans will die in the streets. If we don’t sign onto the Democrats’ economic agenda, we’ll plunge into another depression. If we don’t pass a car bailout, we won’t have cars anymore. If we shut down the non-essential parts of the federal government for a few days to haggle over a budget, we are putting American lives at risk. "

Liberals Perfected 'Paranoia And Fear' In Politics.

These are just a few scare tactics the left uses. They're using the COVID-19 pandemic right now. The left has done this with the help of the MSM as far back as I can remember. They can't win on the issues, so they shut debate down with an "ism" or "phobia".

Seems we see the world and politics in different ways. Trump, IMHO, won his election using rhetoric of hate, fear and bigotry. Trump has continued to mislead the public in his tweets an impromptu speeches, and he has divided the country, attacked the free press and abused the power of the office of trust he won.

In 2018 the D's won the H. or Rep. on the issues, and I suspect the D's will win the Senate in November, and the White House, do to the behavior of McConnell and Trump and the 52 Senators who betrayed the oath they took before the Chief Justice and the American People.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Seems we see the world and politics in different ways. Trump, IMHO, won his election using rhetoric of hate, fear and bigotry. Trump has continued to mislead the public in his tweets an impromptu speeches, and he has divided the country, attacked the free press and abused the power of the office of trust he won.

In 2018 the D's won the H. or Rep. on the issues, and I suspect the D's will win the Senate in November, and the White House, do to the behavior of McConnell and Trump and the 52 Senators who betrayed the oath they took before the Chief Justice and the American People.

Well yeah. My political lean says "conservative" and yours says "liberal". Agree to disagree agreeably.That's what America is all about. eace

 

[Wry Catcher]

Well yeah. My political lean says "conservative" and yours says "liberal". Agree to disagree agreeably.That's what America is all about. eace

Compromise is missing, and it began in The Congress.

 

[Tangmo]

I disagree. The Democrats are better, they're not serving at the pleasure of Mr. Putin, and violating the constitution and the rule of law. Democrats are not hurting Americans by taking away their health care, punishing them for pre-existing conditions, cutting much needed assistance for the poor and middle class, suppressing votes from Americans of color, threatening the environment, plants, animals and humans, etc.

Democrats are not making policies which are racist and against non-Christians. Democrats are not sneaking around trying to pull off corrupt deals with foreign leaders for their own self interest and financial benefit. Democrats are not encouraging hate, violence and division in our country. Democrats respect our patriots, ambassadors, troops and Gold Star families. Democrats are serving the country and the American people and are not in Washington to push their brand, and do favors for rich cronies and corporate fat cat sleazebags.

Now, especially with the Trump Party Republicans/Klan in power, Americans have suffered, our national security has been compromised, murderous dictators have been welcomed by this admin to interfere in our elections for Trump's own benefit. Trump violated his oath, he didn't run for president to serve our country, he ran for president to serve himself first, his brand second and his family third. He acts as a mob boss, king and dictator, removing all those who have too much character to cover up his corruption, and replacing them with loyal sycophants....if you're not a yes man to this idiot, he will eliminate you one way or another. This is not the America I was born in and grew up in, what's happening now with the the scumbag in charge is disgraceful.

Indeed and the whole of it is a coherent and uniquely American 21st century fascism.

It is the belief and doctrine of those in the USA who have become what we took up arms to defeat throughout the 20th century and in the Civil War of the 19th century before then.

That is, namely, Republicans, the 21st century Republican Party and the Trumpist Conservatives who comprise the present Republican Party. Trumpist Conservatives are in fact Reactionaries who reject the Constitution of 1789 and forward and the European Enlightenment before it that provided inspiration and guidance to the Framers of the Constitution.

These fascists further self define as the enemies of classic liberalism and of parliamentary systems that are defined by compromise predicated on common interests and values. Indeed, the uniquely American 21st century fascism is the enemy of compromise and the democratic systems and shared values that are predicated on it.

The only way out of this large scale and populist, uniquely American 21st century fascism is a second national reconstruction that marginalizes the presently emerging American fascism. The second national reconstruction will recognize and correct the original and failed reconstruction that was weak of mind and absent the requisite moral discipline and resolve to succeed.

 

[Glitch]

Nope...there are no "varying levels of nationalism"...Only varying lies of the meaning of "Nationalism".

Revolutionaries like Mao Zedong and Vladimir Lenin described their states as the "Peoples Republic of China" and "United Soviet Socialist Republic".

But there was absolutely nothing in their misleading descriptions that told what life would actually be like under the oppressive rule of Communism.

Radical Leftist Ideologues have historically gained the trust and support of the masses with wonderful tales and beautiful promises of a Utopia where all wants and needs are provided by a benevolent government.

But when people realize their Utopian Dream is actually a Dystopian Nightmare; their 'nationalist sentiments' are quickly replaced by hate and fear.

Both "Mussolini and Hitler" were Socialists not Nationalists; and Socialist Dictatorships inevitably evolve into oppressive totalitarian Police States.

i.e.; true "Nationalism" can't exist under Dictatorships such as Mussolini and Hitler.

Nationalists can't love a nation with an oppressive government...It's basic common sense, Glitch.

Hitler and Mussolini were both, nationalists and socialists. It is even included in the name of the political party - The National Socialist German Workers' Party. The Germans even gave it it's own word: Nationalsozialistische

Both Mussolini and Hitler also represent the fascist extremes of nationalism. Supporting the founding principles of one's nation, or taking pride in the achievements of one's nation is not a bad thing. It only becomes a bad thing when that nationalism supersedes everything else.

 

[mrdeltoid]

Compromise is missing, and it began in The Congress.[/QUOTE

That's why I miss the days of Reagan and Tip. Although different politically, they had a genuine affection for each other. Like I said before, they could sit together, have a beer, and figure out a compromise. When the out party takes a position of "resistance ", compromise is out. I felt the same about the Republicans during the Obama regime, when they were called the party of "NO". Politics has always been tough, but never as nasty as it's been for the last 10 years or so. Hey! Look at us! We agree on something! Just like old Dutch Reagan and Tip. :2dance::rock:applaud