89 Year Old Washington State WuFlu Sufferer Survives

[RabidAlpaca]

His point seems to be that since most don't die from COVID-19, even if when they are exposed to it, that we are overreacting to it by having mandatory closings of many US businesses - basically, the position of our POTUS. It is not a matter of if we will allow all normal business activity to resume - it is a matter of when (how soon) that will happen.

The largest failure of government (at all levels) is not having the ability to test folks for COVID-19 status therefore they expect everyone with 'non-essential' jobs to act as if they had it but should not seek treatment (or testing) for it. That is simply insane.

He's not complex enough to have or make a point, but does a crisis really have to rise to the level of 51% death rate before its taken seriously?

How we react to this crisis will determine how bad it will be for us and how high the body count will be. Compare SK that tested A LOT, very fast, and their death count and economic impact was minimal. We waited a very long time to even start, aren't testing much and aren't taking it seriously.

Even at a death rate of 1%, that's 3.2 million dead Americans.

 

[longview]

Thinking small is not a good look.

Accuracy is almost always worthwhile.

 

[PoS]

You don't have to test all your citizens. You just have to be able to have adequate testing in areas with a significant outbreak. That is why South Korea contained Covid-19's spread and was able to keep their economy functioning while we have had to shutdown our economy to contain it.

S Korea has about 50 million people and theyre a country with the size of about 20% of California. Logistics, sir, logistics.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Don forget that Italy has a bigger older age populace of any country in the WORLD

Of course, but they also have much healthier seniors than we do. Average life expectancy in Italy is about 4.5 years longer than it is here.

 

[Hawkeye10]

He's not complex enough to have or make a point, but does a crisis really have to rise to the level of 51% death rate before its taken seriously?

How we react to this crisis will determine how bad it will be for us and how high the body count will be. Compare SK that tested A LOT, very fast, and their death count and economic impact was minimal. We waited a very long time to even start, aren't testing much and aren't taking it seriously.

Even at a death rate of 1%, that's 3.2 million dead Americans.

And the kill rate of this bug as this crap super expensive American medical system collapses at first contact with stress because our leaders suck ass will be far above 1%...we all do understand this......right?

 

[Luther]

Of course, but they also have much healthier seniors than we do. Average life expectancy in Italy is about 4.5 years longer than it is here.

So?

This increase life expectancy don't mean squat with this flu?

Must be all the Red wine?(LOL)

 

[jmotivator]

The death rate for persons 80+ with corona is over 25%, so you cherry-picking a survivor proves literally nothing.

This was about as dumb and pointless as most of your threads, but I'm impressed that you finally started one that didn't involve insulting Democrats.

Well, actually, it shows that even if you are 80+ the odds are you will survive.

And also your statistic doesn't appear to be correct. Where did you pull that statistic from? In Italy, with the highest per-capita mortality among nations with trustworthy reporting, the mortality rate among 80+ is 20.2%

 

[ALiberalModerate]

S Korea has about 50 million people and theyre a country with the size of about 20% of California. Logistics, sir, logistics.

South Korea was doing 3600 tests per million people while we were doing just 5 tests per million people. We don't have to test everyone in America, just like they did not have to test everyone in South Korea. We simply need to be able to test enough people in population centers to build accurate models on infection rates and spread, just like they were able to. There is no reason, other than a failure of our government, that we could not have been testing people at the same rate that South Korea was.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Well, actually, it shows that even if you are 80+ the odds are you will survive.

And also your statistic doesn't appear to be correct. Where did you pull that statistic from? In Italy, with the highest per-capita mortality among nations with trustworthy reporting, the mortality rate among 80+ is 20.2%

As our seniors on average are not as healthy as Italians seniors on average, and have far more comorbidities on average, if anything our seniors should have a higher case fatality rate than seniors in Italy experienced.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

So?

This increase life expectancy don't mean squat with this flu?

Must be all the Red wine?(LOL)

You are missing the point. Covid-19 tends to kill people that were unhealthy prior to infection. Seniors in Italy are healthier on average than our seniors are. This was evidenced by the fact that seniors in Italy live on average significantly longer than our seniors do (and their healthspans are much longer). Thus, we may see a higher case fatality rate among our seniors than Italy experienced. BTW, this is also why Europe is seeing a higher case fatality rate on average than East Asian countries did, because seniors in East Asian countries on average had fewer comorbidities than seniors in European countries.

 

[ttwtt78640]

He's not complex enough to have or make a point, but does a crisis really have to rise to the level of 51% death rate before its taken seriously?

How we react to this crisis will determine how bad it will be for us and how high the body count will be. Compare SK that tested A LOT, very fast, and their death count and economic impact was minimal. We waited a very long time to even start, aren't testing much and aren't taking it seriously.

Even at a death rate of 1%, that's 3.2 million dead Americans.

My point is that it was insane to mandate that some (25%?) of US workers stop working so that most (75%?) can keep working. To make matters even more ridiculous, congress is now planning to pay as much (or more) federal "stimulus" money to those who kept working as to those who were forced to stop working.

SK also cannot test everyone, but their government is testing intelligently (priority based with contact tracing for those testing positive) not passing the burden of inept government onto at least 25% of their workforce to save that government from looking like the fools that they are.

 

[Luther]

You are missing the point. Covid-19 tends to kill people that were unhealthy prior to infection. Seniors in Italy are healthier on average than our seniors are. This was evidenced by the fact that seniors in Italy live on average significantly longer than our seniors do (and their healthspans are much longer). Thus, we may see a higher case fatality rate among our seniors than Italy experienced. BTW, this is also why Europe is seeing a higher case fatality rate on average than East Asian countries did, because seniors in East Asian countries on average had fewer comorbidities than seniors in European countries.

Seniors in Italy are healthier on average than our seniors are.

Come on, they have seniors with health issues too

 

[Hawkeye10]

As our seniors on average are not as healthy as Italians seniors on average, and have far more comorbidities on average, if anything our seniors should have a higher case fatality rate than seniors in Italy experienced.

And the Northern Italy medical system has long been deemed better than the American system.....and just look at how they set people aside to die!

I just hope that the morphine does not run out, BUT IT IS ALREADY IN SHORT SUPPLY!

 

[PoS]

OK, but it is still crazy to say that some (actually most) are allowed to keep working without any COVID-19 testing or wearing of a mask, thus get paid to spread COVID-19, while some others must stop working to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

Its another word for herd immunity- I believe we will have to adopt this sooner or later. We cant shut down the economy everytime there's a pandemic.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Accuracy is almost always worthwhile.

Subcontracting your mind out to the so-called experts is never a good idea.

As education would have taught U!

 

[jmotivator]

As our seniors on average are not as healthy as Italians seniors on average, and have far more comorbidities on average, if anything our seniors should have a higher case fatality rate than seniors in Italy experienced.

This is where you provide evidence rather than unsubstantiated claims.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Its another word for herd immunity- I believe we will have to adopt this sooner or later. We cant shut down the economy everytime there's a pandemic.

We can when it has an RO of something like 5, and an kill rate at something like 4....at least till we figure out a treatment.

Governments can not allow this sort of kill rate and survive.

Surely U understand!

!

 

[jmotivator]

OK, but it is still crazy to say that some (actually most) are allowed to keep working without any COVID-19 testing or wearing of a mask, thus get paid to spread COVID-19, while some others must stop working to prevent the spread of COVID-19.

I think you have it wrong in one crucial way: Those who are self quarantined are in high risk groups with a significant risk of severe complications and death, while the majority of people will experience mild flu symptoms. Better that that go about their business, taking care to follow the procedures they can to slow the spread while keeping distance from high risk people.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

This is where you provide evidence rather than unsubstantiated claims.

Average lifespan of Italians: 82.5 years.

Average lifespan of Americans: 78 years.

COPD Prevalence in Italy: 3.2%

COPD Prevalence in the United States: 7.5% (American Lung Association numbers)

Diabetes rate in Italy: 5.3%

Diabetes rate in the United States: 10.5%

I can go on. Pick any health metric, and chances are we are significantly less healthy than Italians.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Its another word for herd immunity- I believe we will have to adopt this sooner or later. We cant shut down the economy everytime there's a pandemic.

So far, there have been 7 (confirmed) cases of COVID-19 in my county (Hays County, Texas) which has a popualtion of over 200K.

 

[longview]

Subcontracting your mind out to the so-called experts is never a good idea.

As education would have taught U!

Do you think the post war baby boom is some other time period besides 1945 to ~1963?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

Come on, they have seniors with health issues too

Of course they do, but a much lower percentage of their seniors have health issues.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I think you have it wrong in one crucial way: Those who are self quarantined are in high risk groups with a significant risk of severe complications and death, while the majority of people will experience mild flu symptoms. Better that that go about their business, taking care to follow the procedures they can to slow the spread while keeping distance from high risk people.

My wife and I....if one gets it then the other will....this open floor pan house makes this almost a for sure thing.......our entire plan revolves neither of us coming into contact with This Bug Out Of China.

 

[ttwtt78640]

I think you have it wrong in one crucial way: Those who are self quarantined are in high risk groups with a significant risk of severe complications and death, while the majority of people will experience mild flu symptoms. Better that that go about their business, taking care to follow the procedures they can to slow the spread while keeping distance from high risk people.

Are you kidding me? Restaurants, bars, movie theaters and many other businesses have been ordered closed. That has absolutely nothing to do with a self-quarantine of "significant risk" persons.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Do you think the post war baby boom is some other time period besides 1945 to ~1963?

I think that I dont make the mistake of thinking as small as u do.