37 Years of Mass Shootings in the U.S. in One Chart

[TurtleDude]

And now you have a dwindling NRA, whose leaders are taking millions in salaries and bonuses every year. There's even talk about the NRA funding Laperriere's multi-million-dollar Texas estate. That certainly isn't going to help matters, heading into an election year. There are bribes to be paid to candidates.

You seem to think that gun owners need the NRA to tell them who the anti gun scum bag politicians are.

 

[TurtleDude]

Not quite. That's part of it, a small part.
Cars are designed and built better today.

1959 Bel-Air versus 2009 Chevy Malibu



Note I said that many people are WALKING AWAY from crashes that would have been deadly in the 70's.

I'm one of them.
In 2009 my wife and I rented a handicap accessible van for a trip to Tulsa.
We got hit almost head on by a drunk driver doing what the Highway Patrol guessed to be 50 mph.
Not even Karen's power wheelchair was damaged. We both "walked" away from the crash.
I got a black eye and Karen got a bloody nose...that's it.

He had crossed the grass median and hit us at a slight angle favoring my side, the driver's side.

in 1983 or so, in mid January, while I was home from Law School I was driving my college girlfriend to CVG after we had played in a squash event in Toledo. It was one of the coldest days in a ten year period in Northern KY but it was only 40 or so degrees 10,000 feet up and rain started falling-it froze on contact a few minutes before I went on a bridge near I 75 and 275 near CVG airport. A roadway truck 100 yards in front of us-trying to avoid a car that spun out in front of him, jackknifed and my LN-7 40 or so yards behind him slid right into him at a high rate of speed, causing all four tires to blow and the "Jane Mansfield bar" to rip off the top of the engine. We both walked away from the wreck-my girlfriend's right breast was severely bruised and i suffered some sort of herniation to my belly button from the seatbelt as well.No airbags but as the highway patrol officer noted-I was smart to make sure I hit the truck square on so I put all that steel between us and the truck. The officer told us that if we had the old fashioned seat belts, we might have both been seriously hurt and if we didn't have seat belts on, we both would have died. a friend of mine had a similar incident with an airbag equipped vehicle and didn't have anything more than minor strain to his hand due to the airbag.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

in 1983 or so, in mid January, while I was home from Law School I was driving my college girlfriend to CVG after we had played in a squash event in Toledo. It was one of the coldest days in a ten year period in Northern KY but it was only 40 or so degrees 10,000 feet up and rain started falling-it froze on contact a few minutes before I went on a bridge near I 75 and 275 near CVG airport. A roadway truck 100 yards in front of us-trying to avoid a car that spun out in front of him, jackknifed and my LN-7 40 or so yards behind him slid right into him at a high rate of speed, causing all four tires to blow and the "Jane Mansfield bar" to rip off the top of the engine. We both walked away from the wreck-my girlfriend's right breast was severely bruised and i suffered some sort of herniation to my belly button from the seatbelt as well.No airbags but as the highway patrol officer noted-I was smart to make sure I hit the truck square on so I put all that steel between us and the truck. The officer told us that if we had the old fashioned seat belts, we might have both been seriously hurt and if we didn't have seat belts on, we both would have died. a friend of mine had a similar incident with an airbag equipped vehicle and didn't have anything more than minor strain to his hand due to the airbag.

What's an LN-7?

 

[TurtleDude]

What's an LN-7?

do you remember the FORD EXP? it was a relatively inexpensive-well handling "sports car" that was a two seater. They only made it a couple years and the lincoln version was slightly more upscale-I bought the lincoln one because the dealership was nearer my house and they would give you a loaner car when your car was in the shop-the ford dealership did not.

 

[AtlantaAdonis]

I can't imagine what it must be like when you have a bunch of kids dying in a mass shooting and your first instinct is to hug your guns rather than do some introspection and discuss solutions.

The next Democratic president needs to create a new federal agency in charge of removing firearms from every Bubba and Jim Bob's home. I'd enlist in a second.

 

[cpwill]

Be nice to dig a little deeper. How many of these were gang fights, party crashers or bar fights? How many were like Dayton and El Paso: planned out in advance.

That was my immediate reaction. "I'd bet someone a dollar that the input data for this was carefully massaged to create an inapt impression".

 

[Manc Skipper]

I would attribute that to two things

Airbags, and seatbelt laws. Furthermore, trauma centers often have helicopters on call which increases the chance of survival for seriously injured traffic victims

So speeding and car construction laws and regulation save lives, but won't work for guns. Why is that?

 

[jmotivator]

Good overview of mass shootings in the United States, showing deaths and injuries.

Mass Shootings in the US: See 37 Years in One Chart | Time

It's weird, I don't think people realize how we process tragedy as a species. When you discuss a specific incident, and the number of dead in that incident it has an emotional impact. When you say 932 people died over the course of 37 years we instinctively compare it to all the other things we die to and it pales in comparison. We lose nearly that many people to accidental strangulation during autoerotic asphyxiation each year.

There are more knife murders per year than have been killed in mass shootings in the last 37 years.

And you won't even stop mass shootings by changing gun laws. When has prohibition ever actually worked? In most cases, stricter gun laws will just mean more charges heaped on a gunman who will already be facing a minimum of life without parole, and that is for the few cases who don't die in the process committing their crime.

 

[joko104]

Where is the 37 years chart of unarmed defenseless people being murdered, raped, violently assault and kidnapped - contrasted to the same 37 years chart of the people armed with a firearm being murdered, raped, violently assaulted and kidnapped?

You will NEVER see this, because core of anti-gun rights zealots is they absolutely do not care about any victims in actual real consequences and causes. They only care about hating guns. That is why his 37 year chart also counts anytime police shot a terrorist or murderer, anytime a woman shot someone to not be raped, any time anyone used a gun in self defense, the OPer and that chart claims that was a wrongful death in his message claims. Why? Because at the core of his messages and reasoning, the core of anti 2A people, is no concern for victims whatsoever, only hating guns.

 

[TurtleDude]

So speeding and car construction laws and regulation save lives, but won't work for guns. Why is that?

I cannot help the fact that those car laws didn't prevent anyone from owning or using cars. You are on record wanting to deny the citizens of a nation that you aren't even part of, to give up their rights

 

[TurtleDude]

I can't imagine what it must be like when you have a bunch of kids dying in a mass shooting and your first instinct is to hug your guns rather than do some introspection and discuss solutions.

The next Democratic president needs to create a new federal agency in charge of removing firearms from every Bubba and Jim Bob's home. I'd enlist in a second.

That would be most amusing.

 

[joko104]

It's weird, I don't think people realize how we process tragedy as a species. When you discuss a specific incident, and the number of dead in that incident it has an emotional impact. When you say 932 people died over the course of 37 years we instinctively compare it to all the other things we die to and it pales in comparison. We lose nearly that many people to accidental strangulation during autoerotic asphyxiation each year.

There are more knife murders per year than have been killed in mass shootings in the last 37 years.

And you won't even stop mass shootings by changing gun laws. When has prohibition ever actually worked? In most cases, stricter gun laws will just mean more charges heaped on a gunman who will already be facing a minimum of life without parole, and that is for the few cases who don't die in the process committing their crime.

More people are beaten or choked to death by the deadly weapon of hands - far more - many, many times more - that by mass shootings or by AR style rifles.

There are 330,000,000 people in the USA. Greater than the population of the entire human race 1500 years ago. Were their less homicides then?

I've posted this on the forum before, documentation of it, look it up. Before the advent of the firearm, the homicide rate in Europe was over 10,000% higher than it is now. Why? All civil and human rights - all of them - the very advancement of the human race from 99% being slaves and serfs that could murdered, tortured, raped and enslaved - is exactly the same time line as the technological advancement of firearms in the hands of us peasants. This also is the time line of the evolution of democracy.

If guns had never been developed, everyone but maybe 2 of us would be working from sunrise to sunset - or longer - every day of the week - as would our children. 95% of the woman on this forum would be routinely raped. Any defiance or refusal and you would be mercilessly tortured. You sole hopes are 1.) you get enough to eat today, 2.) no one hurts you, 3.) you do not stop being useful or you will be killed, 4.) you do not do anything to make your master angry or you will be starved, beaten, tortured or killed and 5.) hope there is a heaven because everything about your life sucks all time until you - at a young age.

That schools no longer teach history is why society has produced the most self destructive people in this country's history and in world history. Let the rich and powerful disarm you - and they demand 24/7 via their propaganda outlets of all of the MSM, press and now Internet too - and you will become their victims and slaves. They have NO reason to give a damn about us peasants, only want use disarmed for THEIR safety. They have their own walled castles they live in with their own little private and heavily armed body guards - their small personal armies - to protect them.

 

[D_NATURED]

without arguing your assertion extensively (many guns in America are not intended, nor purchased with the intent of using them to kill) lets look at it this way.


GUns--which you claim are made for the purpose of killing, kill less people than an item that has never been made to be a weapon-cars.

what does that tell you

I use my car every day. I almost never use my guns. You see, transportation is a much greater need than self defense. If I ever do need to defend myself, though, I won't be grabbing my car keys.

 

[joko104]

I can't imagine what it must be like when you have a bunch of kids dying in a mass shooting and your first instinct is to hug your guns rather than do some introspection and discuss solutions.

The next Democratic president needs to create a new federal agency in charge of removing firearms from every Bubba and Jim Bob's home. I'd enlist in a second.

We know what that will lead to from Waco and the Oklahoma city bombing, don't we?

For an alleged firearm violation, the government threw thousands of bullets at those people - and they fired back. Yet despite the government using the most powerful, long range, high penetration with the greatest optics of all at those people, it was not bullets that were the great killer. It was the government using a battle tank injecting a gas that coverts to cyanide with fire - as the government fired incendiary flash bombs to ignite it - killing all the remaining children, women and men.

The retaliation came in Oklahoma by a man who could have obtained every full automatic machines he wanted. He was going up against a heavily armed and secured government facility. Instead he used a truck and ordinary chemicals anyone can buy - killing 168 and wounding 680.

Massive firepower by the government - massive firepower back. But it was poison gas that was the great killer.

A secure government facility, heavily defended, but massive death by simple means - cheap simple means - and the killer got away at least for a while.

What you want would shift mass murder from the least effective way - guns - to the most lethal ways - bombs, arson, poison gas - all three have killed many, many times more than mass shootings ever has. The bizarre mystic of the little 22 caliber rifle - which wounds far more than it kills (unless the government bans medical care to the wounded as the Obama FBI did at the Pulse Nightclub) is the most ineffective and lowest death count I suspect the media and corporate super rich who control them WANT people to use 22 rifles rather than bombs, arson and poison. So do you.

People can be defended and fight back against someone shooting a 22 rifle. There is no way to defend against or fight back again bombs, fire and poison gas. Yet that is what you demand in your messages what mass murderers use instead. Mass murderers will try to commit mass murder. It is only question of how.

 

[American]

Obvious deflection....What is the number ? You're going to run from the fair question again, aren't you ?

Why don't you tell what you think the number should be? I'm waiting.

 

[oneworld2]

can anyone explain why if the almost guaranteed consequence of a murder conviction or being killed by cops or an armed victim-doesn't deter a mass criminal, why a gun control law would?

It's not a question of deterrence but more a question of restricting/abolishing access imo

 

[Old 'N Chill]

It's weird, I don't think people realize how we process tragedy as a species. When you discuss a specific incident, and the number of dead in that incident it has an emotional impact. When you say 932 people died over the course of 37 years we instinctively compare it to all the other things we die to and it pales in comparison. We lose nearly that many people to accidental strangulation during autoerotic asphyxiation each year.

There are more knife murders per year than have been killed in mass shootings in the last 37 years.

And you won't even stop mass shootings by changing gun laws. When has prohibition ever actually worked? In most cases, stricter gun laws will just mean more charges heaped on a gunman who will already be facing a minimum of life without parole, and that is for the few cases who don't die in the process committing their crime.

I'd be curious to see where you got those stats on the number of knife murders in the United States, do you have a link?

Anyway, the chart that was posted referred to mass shootings, so it didn't include knife attacks or horndogs who were stupid enough to get their jollies at the end of the rope. Wonder if Epstein's full results came in, maybe he could add to that chart if they made one.

I don't think shootings will stop with more gun laws, killers don't abide by the law and more laws will just affect the responsible, lawful American gun owner. Background checks should be mandatory, they are already by me even for private sales. All these hate filled racist or lunatic shooters give guns a bad name. As with everything, a few psychos will ruin it for the rest of the people and regulations will be added on, and the killings will still continue. Just like an internet forum, a few trolls, keyboard warriors, vulgar insulting scumbags, will make the admin add more and more to the rules to keep the board civil.

 

[joko104]

It's not a question of deterrence but more a question of restricting/abolishing access imo

THe Democratic Party is very adamant that there be no deterrence. In fact, the demand advertising for mass murderers and advertising they are protected - particularly schools - doing all possible that no one is able to have access to any way to stop them.

 

[TurtleDude]

Why don't you tell what you think the number should be? I'm waiting.

He jumps on numerous threads and complains about my statement that 2500 deaths is statistically insignificant in our country. He has done this on at least 5-6 threads for months. Yet he is afraid to tell us what would be statistically insignificant. On top of that, he lays in emotional baggage by claiming no death is insignificant to someone who knew the deceased-which has zero relevance when speaking about a national scale.

 

[TurtleDude]

It's not a question of deterrence but more a question of restricting/abolishing access imo

But we know that reducing access is a joke. There are hundreds of millions of normal capacity magazines in the USA-almost none that are registered. And with 3D printers-they are easy to make.

 

[Media_Truth]

You seem to think that gun owners need the NRA to tell them who the anti gun scum bag politicians are.

Uh-oh, do I detect a little NRA animosity from you? Are you tired of lining the pockets of Laperriere?

 

[Media_Truth]

I cannot help the fact that those car laws didn't prevent anyone from owning or using cars. You are on record wanting to deny the citizens of a nation that you aren't even part of, to give up their rights

I respect the opinion of those in England. They have been through our phase of gun proliferation, and they did something about it.

 

[Media_Truth]

I use my car every day. I almost never use my guns. You see, transportation is a much greater need than self defense. If I ever do need to defend myself, though, I won't be grabbing my car keys.

Are you going to grab an assault-like weapon?

 

[TurtleDude]

Uh-oh, do I detect a little NRA animosity from you? Are you tired of lining the pockets of Laperriere?

I bought my life membership the year an Olympic skeet team member told my father that I had world class skeet potential and I should start shooting the US International Team trials=NRA was at that time, the NGB for Olympic shooting events. That was one time payment, mid 70s.

 

[TurtleDude]

I respect the opinion of those in England. They have been through our phase of gun proliferation, and they did something about it.

They engaged in collective bed wetting over one nutcase shooting up a school, and pissed on thousands of law abiding pistol owners. We have a second amendment and the highest court of the land has issued rulings that mean such a similar action here would be unconstitutional.