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37 Years of Mass Shootings in the U.S. in One Chart

TurtleDude said:
look up Associate Justice Potter Stewart's comment about pornography. Now tell us how 2500 deaths are more significant than 15 other causes of premature deaths in the USA.
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Stop with the deflecting and give us YOUR number, or just admit you're going to continue to run from a fair question.
 
Logician Man said:
Stop with the deflecting and give us YOUR number, or just admit you're going to continue to run from a fair question.
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you have never told us how many deaths a year are statistically significant but you claim that 2500 clearly is. Your moronic question is nothing more than dilatory and not one other poster has fixated on my comment as you have. How many times are you going to jump into threads and ask the same stupid question
 
TurtleDude said:
you have never told us how many deaths a year are statistically significant but you claim that 2500 clearly is. Your moronic question is nothing more than dilatory and not one other poster has fixated on my comment as you have. How many times are you going to jump into threads and ask the same stupid question
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You have never told us at what number murders by 'legal' gun owners becomes 'statistically 'SIGNIFICANT.'. What number is that in YOUR opinion ? Or are you going to continue to run from a fair question ? FYI, your deflections are not only not working, they are exposing you as being afraid to answer fair questions on a topic you profess to be an 'expert' on. Obviously, by your continued refusal to respond to a simple, fair question with irrelevant deflections, that is not the case.
 
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Outlook said:
What is sobering is the 681,493 murders committed between 1981 and 2017.
That does not include other violent crime.
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Murder rates are decreasing though-even if the MSM would have you believe otherwise, 80% of murder victims or so, are mopes though. If you aren't involve in drug abuse, drug trafficking or associating with those who are drug traffickers and drug abusers, your chances of being murdered are very slight. and most of the remaining cases are cases of domestic violence. We had a mass murder near where I live a few months ago-perpetrated by a Sikh killing his wife and two of her family members. that is far more common a scenario than what happened in Dayton last week. Even the massively reported mass murder in SE Ohio a couple years back-at first attributed to Mexican drug cartels, appeared to have been over a child custody issue
 
TurtleDude said:
Murder rates are decreasing though-even if the MSM would have you believe otherwise, 80% of murder victims or so, are mopes though. If you aren't involve in drug abuse, drug trafficking or associating with those who are drug traffickers and drug abusers, your chances of being murdered are very slight. and most of the remaining cases are cases of domestic violence. We had a mass murder near where I live a few months ago-perpetrated by a Sikh killing his wife and two of her family members. that is far more common a scenario than what happened in Dayton last week. Even the massively reported mass murder in SE Ohio a couple years back-at first attributed to Mexican drug cartels, appeared to have been over a child custody issue
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/// 80% of murder victims or so, are mopes though ////....Are you now professing that just because YOU declare certain human beings who aren't perfect ( mopes )....their murders are also 'insignificant' ? Do you think you are qualified to determine the value of another's life ?
 
Old 'N Chill said:
Good overview of mass shootings in the United States, showing deaths and injuries.

Mass Shootings in the US: See 37 Years in One Chart | Time
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I believe these latest 3 mass murders have effected a tipping point in gun violence. Americans were already 70% in favor of a ban on assault weapons, including over 50% of Republicans. This time, they won't forget. It may be the major topic in the 2020 presidential debates - advantage Democratic candidate.
 
Old 'N Chill said:
To put that in perspective, it's apples and oranges. Deaths from speeding in a car on the highways is accidental, mass killings by a murderer who is driven by hate, politics, racism, religion, etc. is the deliberate taking of innocent people's lives.
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And a car makes life better, most of the time. A useful tool.

Mass shooter? Never anything good.

Just a spectre of potential violence lurking in the back of our minds.

Whoopee...
 
Tlrmln said:
I think they believe that, rather than being a legal deterrent, the laws they want to pass would actually make it physically more difficult for would-be mass murderers to obtain the means of committing mass murder. If only the fine folks of Nice, France were so lucky.
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There is a reason bombs are the weapon of choice in some places.
 
Old 'N Chill said:
To put that in perspective, it's apples and oranges. Deaths from speeding in a car on the highways is accidental, mass killings by a murderer who is driven by hate, politics, racism, religion, etc. is the deliberate taking of innocent people's lives.
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Yep, that might be why the sentences are so different for convictions of those offenses.
 
Logician Man said:
/// 80% of murder victims or so, are mopes though ////....Are you now professing that just because YOU declare certain human beings who aren't perfect ( mopes )....their murders are also 'insignificant' ? Do you think you are qualified to determine the value of another's life ?
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So you now try to whine about me referring to felons as mopes? Yeah I am qualified to do that.
 
Media_Truth said:
I believe these latest 3 mass murders have effected a tipping point in gun violence. Americans were already 70% in favor of a ban on assault weapons, including over 50% of Republicans. This time, they won't forget. It may be the major topic in the 2020 presidential debates - advantage Democratic candidate.
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we heard the same idiocy in 1994. The elections that year were a major bitch slap to the Democrats. And guess what, you all define "assault weapons" to ban most of the firearms currently being sold in America
 
TurtleDude said:
So you now try to whine about me referring to felons as mopes? Yeah I am qualified to do that.
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Another misnomer on your part. There is no whining in my post. Only a simple question you choose to dodge and tap dance around......just like the question in the other thread you can't/won't respond to. This tells us one of two things. 1) If you 'CAN'T ) answer the question, then you expose your self as not being the firearms, and firearms issues expert you profess to be, Or, 2) you 'WON'T' answer the question which exposes yourself as being a dishonest debater who is afraid to give a straight answer to a fair and simple question. Unlike you, I won't pretend to be a mind reader, or put word's in another's mouth. You can keep the secret as to why you can't, or won't answer the question to yourself. After all, it's your credibility that is on the line....no one else's....btw, there is no mention of 'felons' in your post above. So you screwed that one up also. Not all drug abusers are 'felons' F,Y,I,, former federal prosecutor. Correct ?
 
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What if...? said:
And a car makes life better, most of the time. A useful tool.

Mass shooter? Never anything good.

Just a spectre of potential violence lurking in the back of our minds.

Whoopee...
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an honest comparison would be a drunk driver with a mass shooter

guns are very useful tools. Few people will die if they don't have instant access to a car. Some people will die if they don't have instant access to a gun. Stupid Democrat gun laws generally disarm honest people who need guns for self defense-almost never disarm mass shooters.
 
Logician Man said:
Another misnomer on your part. There is no whining in my post. Only a simple question you choose to dodge and tap dance around......just like the question in the other thread you can't/won't respond to. This tells us one of two things. 1) If you 'CAN'T ) answer the question, then you expose your self as not being the firearms, and firearms issues expert you profess to be, Or, 2) you 'WON'T' answer the question which exposes yourself as being a dishonest debater who is afraid to give a straight answer to a fair and simple question. Unlike you, I won't pretend to be a mind reader, or put word's in another's mouth. You can keep the secret as to why you can't, or won't answer the question to yourself. After all, it's your credibility that is on the line....no one else's....
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I will try to make this as clear as possible since you appear to be unable to understand prior posts. I find your stupid questions to be stupid. I find your comments to be diversionary, not in good faith and dishonest. Thus I will respond to them as I see fit, and I couldn't care less how you take that.
 
TurtleDude said:
I will try to make this as clear as possible since you appear to be unable to understand prior posts. I find your stupid questions to be stupid. I find your comments to be diversionary, not in good faith and dishonest. Thus I will respond to them as I see fit, and I couldn't care less how you take that.
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Translation: I refuse to debate in good faith and will continue to use excuses and deflections to not debate in good faith regardless of how silly and disengenuous it makes me look.
 
Logician Man said:
Translation: I refuse to debate in good faith and will continue to use excuses and deflections to not debate in good faith regardless of how silly and disengenuous it makes me look.
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Fixating on an accurate comment on dozens of threads for months is not good faith and suggests obsessive stalking.
 
An old has-been fixating on guns is pathetic and just plain pitiful.
 
TurtleDude said:
Fixating on an accurate comment on dozens of threads for months is not good faith and suggests obsessive stalking.
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Refusing to give an honest answer to a fair and simple question is a sure indicator one is either unqualified to answer a fair question, or doesn't have the courage and/or integrity to answer a fair and simple question he professes to be an expert in.
 
Tlrmln said:
To put that in perspective, in 38 years, that's equal to a little more than one month's worth of deaths caused by speeding, and less than a single year's worth of deaths that have resulted from the eliminating the 55mph national speed limit, two issues that pretty much never get mentioned in the national news or by any political candidate, let alone anyone marching on Washington about them calling them national epidemics or public health crises.
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Ummm, wait a minute, for that 55 mph statistic to mean anything, you need to show the death statistics for highways not only DURING the 55 mph years but PRIOR to it because cars have become much safer.

People are walking away from accidents today which definitely would have been fatal in the 70's.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Ummm, wait a minute, for that 55 mph statistic to mean anything, you need to show the death statistics for highways not only DURING the 55 mph years but PRIOR to it because cars have become much safer.

People are walking away from accidents today which definitely would have been fatal in the 70's.
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I would attribute that to two things

Airbags, and seatbelt laws. Furthermore, trauma centers often have helicopters on call which increases the chance of survival for seriously injured traffic victims
 
TurtleDude said:
we heard the same idiocy in 1994. The elections that year were a major bitch slap to the Democrats. And guess what, you all define "assault weapons" to ban most of the firearms currently being sold in America
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And now you have a dwindling NRA, whose leaders are taking millions in salaries and bonuses every year. There's even talk about the NRA funding Laperriere's multi-million-dollar Texas estate. That certainly isn't going to help matters, heading into an election year. There are bribes to be paid to candidates.
 
TurtleDude said:
I would attribute that to two things

Airbags, and seatbelt laws. Furthermore, trauma centers often have helicopters on call which increases the chance of survival for seriously injured traffic victims
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Not quite. That's part of it, a small part.
Cars are designed and built better today.

1959 Bel-Air versus 2009 Chevy Malibu



Note I said that many people are WALKING AWAY from crashes that would have been deadly in the 70's.

I'm one of them.
In 2009 my wife and I rented a handicap accessible van for a trip to Tulsa.
We got hit almost head on by a drunk driver doing what the Highway Patrol guessed to be 50 mph.
Not even Karen's power wheelchair was damaged. We both "walked" away from the crash.
I got a black eye and Karen got a bloody nose...that's it.

He had crossed the grass median and hit us at a slight angle favoring my side, the driver's side.
 
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