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$16 billion in new subsidies for farmers

Are there work requirements attached to this money? Any drug testing?
 
Pelosi is insane
 
calamity said:
Socialism?

Trump takes dig at "crazy Nancy" Pelosi after announcing new subsidies for farmers - CBS News


It certainly would be socialism if a Dem did it. But, the cultists will find a reason to excuse this as some kind of free market requirement. Watch.
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You've seen the video of the Farmer's Union lady saying Farmer suicides are on the rise because of Trump's trade war?

Wisconsin Farmer Tells Fox News Suicides, Bankruptcy Rising in Rural U.S. Amid China Trade War
 
calamity said:
Missed hypocrisy is what I see.
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Come on, where's our friends on the right to warn us about the impending danger of socialism?
 
calamity said:
Socialism?

Trump takes dig at "crazy Nancy" Pelosi after announcing new subsidies for farmers - CBS News


It certainly would be socialism if a Dem did it. But, the cultists will find a reason to excuse this as some kind of free market requirement. Watch.
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Well, we know the tariffs on Chinese goods resulted in the Chinese applying tariffs on US goods instead of them negotiating in good faith. I'd say it's a good thing that Trump helps out those farmers. Plus, the money he's paying them come from the proceeds of the tariffs. I'd say that's a good use of the money.

But socialism? I don't see it. Is Trump controlling the farming industry? No. He's only helping the farmers weather the Chinese tariffs. Hopefully, the Chinese will see that negotiation is a better choice that retaliation. Until then, Trump is obligated to help the farmers.

btw, Trump is giving the farmers a choice. They don't have to take the money if they don't want to. If the Dems were doing this, the farmer would likely not be given a choice. That's just how the Dems roll. (see Obamacare)
 
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Yeah, let's allow our nation's farms to all go tits up. There's nothing wrong with that. If you like relying on foreign oil, you're going to love foreign food.
 
Mycroft said:
Well, we know the tariffs on Chinese goods resulted in the Chinese applying tariffs on US goods instead of them negotiating in good faith. I'd say it's a good thing that Trump helps out those farmers. Plus, the money he's paying them come from the proceeds of the tariffs. I'd say that's a good use of the money.

But socialism? I don't see it. Is Trump controlling the farming industry? No. He's only helping the farmers weather the Chinese tariffs. Hopefully, the Chinese will see that negotiation is a better choice that retaliation. Until then, Trump is obligated to help the farmers.

btw, Trump is giving the farmers a choice. They don't have to take the money if they don't want to. If the Dems were doing this, the farmer would likely not be given a choice. That's just how the Dems roll. (see Obamacare)
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How about welfare, corporate and otherwise?
 
Linc said:
We’ll see — how much of this corporate Big Ag bailout trickles down to REAL farmers.
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Yep. This is what I've been saying the whole time. The big aggie corps are making out like bandits, buying up bankrupted farms for pennies on the dollars.

And this welfare is nonsense. It's not going to help family farmers. I'm sure there is a ton of paperwork to do, papers to file, to get notarized, etc. etc. By the time a family farmer gets all that done, and then waits out actually getting the money, many will be bankrupt. The corporations just put their lawyers on it, borrow a bit of money from the bank, and wait an extra six months to collect their welfare, and buy up bankrupted farms in the meantime.


Trump and his buddies must be laughing the asses off, I wonder how much Trump is getting in "donations" from those corporations? Probably not that much, he would be cheap to buy. My guess would be around $100 million. Trump would see it as a fortune, the corps would see it as a drop in the bucket of their $11b in welfare.
 
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Mycroft said:
Well, we know the tariffs on Chinese goods resulted in the Chinese applying tariffs on US goods instead of them negotiating in good faith. I'd say it's a good thing that Trump helps out those farmers. Plus, the money he's paying them come from the proceeds of the tariffs. I'd say that's a good use of the money.

But socialism? I don't see it. Is Trump controlling the farming industry? No. He's only helping the farmers weather the Chinese tariffs. Hopefully, the Chinese will see that negotiation is a better choice that retaliation. Until then, Trump is obligated to help the farmers.

btw, Trump is giving the farmers a choice. They don't have to take the money if they don't want to. If the Dems were doing this, the farmer would likely not be given a choice. That's just how the Dems roll. (see Obamacare)
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Are you really that ignorant of the situation? And of how easy it is for large corporations to take advantage of this?


Soaring Bankruptcies in the Farm Belt Force Banks to Boost Defenses

They're buying up bankrupted family farms for pennies on the dollar. That money will all need to be applied for, reports to be made, etc. etc. And then the inevitable waiting period. By the time family farms get the money, it will be too late for many of them, they will already be bankrupt. The corporations can wait a few extra months to get their welfare, they don't mind at all, so long as it comes eventually.

So, Trump is killing family farms, and essentially giving them to huge Aggie Corps. Is that what you want Mycroft? Because that is what's happening. That is what you're supporting.
 
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calamity said:
Missed hypocrisy is what I see.
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Thats not the preferred nomenclature, I have learned from our friends on the left that you just call any hypocrisy "whataboutism" and dismiss the subject all together :thumbs:
 
BitterPill said:
How about welfare, corporate and otherwise?
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I would give you very good odds that very little of that money goes to anyone but the corporations. It will require tons of paperwork, notarizing, and other nonsense to drive up the costs on an individual farmer, but be nothing for a huge corporation with numerous lawyers on the payroll.

And then there will be inevitable waiting period, that will kill a decent percentage of family farms right there, as they are forced to declare bankruptcy before the money arrives.

I would be very surprised if more than 10% of all those billions makes it to family farmers, on a per acre basis. This is corporate welfare, and corporations are going to profit, not family farmers.
 
JustHanging said:
Yep. This is what I've been saying the whole time. The big aggie corps are making out like bandits, buying up bankrupted farms for pennies on the dollars.

Trump and his buddies must be laughing the asses off, I wonder how much Trump is getting in "donations" from those corporations? Probably not that much, he would be cheap to buy.
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You can add weather problems to trump’s tariff problems. Every day we’re losing more % yield by not being able to get in the fields. The water table is so high roots won’t go deep enough. Then we’ll get extended dry periods.

The obstacles family farmers are challenged with never cease to amaze me. This looks to be a banner year for crop-eating insects also. Thank Goodness my people are into Prime Beef cattle.

Farm banks are in trouble. Farm implement businesses — same thing. Farmers are mortgaging their equity for this year’s loans. Two more years of this will be unsustainable.

Democrats lost farmers after Carter’s farm idiocy. However, they’re not going to get them back going too far left on social, gun, immigration, etc. issues. Choosing Milwaukee over Miami for their convention was a good start.
 
Mycroft said:
Well, we know the tariffs on Chinese goods resulted in the Chinese applying tariffs on US goods instead of them negotiating in good faith. I'd say it's a good thing that Trump helps out those farmers. Plus, the money he's paying them come from the proceeds of the tariffs. I'd say that's a good use of the money.

But socialism? I don't see it. Is Trump controlling the farming industry? No. He's only helping the farmers weather the Chinese tariffs. Hopefully, the Chinese will see that negotiation is a better choice that retaliation. Until then, Trump is obligated to help the farmers.

btw, Trump is giving the farmers a choice. They don't have to take the money if they don't want to. If the Dems were doing this, the farmer would likely not be given a choice. That's just how the Dems roll. (see Obamacare)
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Yep, Socialism is only used when it's convenient to hit the other side with. It's never socialism when the Republicans do it.
 
Frigidweirdo said:
Yeah, the sort of response from someone who has nothing to say.

Probably just better you don't say it then. Bye.
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Oh...were you expecting a response? Heck, you should have said something intelligent, in that case.
 
Winston said:
Come on, where's our friends on the right to warn us about the impending danger of socialism?
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Republicans and democrats must continue to spend money the US does not have and will not get of they want to get reelected. The problem is selfishness, greed, ignorance, laziness and all sorts of other sins affecting the judgment of both politicians and the people they serve.
 
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