140,000 former felons' right to vote restored by new Democratic governor in Kentucky

[CaughtInThe]

But they didn't pay their debt to society. The Dem governor commuted their sentences. If that's what the voters in Kentucky want, so be it.

However, it's inescapable that the Dems will do anything to pervert elections.

North Carolina gerrymandering: New maps for 2020 ordered by judges today in partisan gerrymandering case - CBS News

 

[CaughtInThe]

Agreed. The United States should not have different tiers of citizenship. In the case of felons, if they are too dangerous to vote or own a gun, then they should be back in prison.

So if a guy guns down his wife in Chicago and the jury convicts him and then he gets a sentence of 20 years then he gets out and he should have his gun ownership restored?

 

[ocean515]

North Carolina gerrymandering: New maps for 2020 ordered by judges today in partisan gerrymandering case - CBS News

As usual, lacking anything relevant to the subject to post, you post this bull****.

But since you did;

More than 1/10th of the House is controlled by California Dems because of their Gerrymandering.

How many North Carolinas would it take to break that record?

How Democrats Fooled California’s Redistricting Commission — ProPublica

And another twist:

‘Ballot Harvesting,’ California Dems’ Latest Election Stealing Tool

 

[CaughtInThe]

You are wrong. But like many cons you strive to reduce democracy as much as possible.

These guys wanna keep all nonviolent felons from voting, even a dude that embezzles 10 grand from a company and got busted and served his time, so they can keep the bulk of the nonviolent felons from voting. It's just a numbers game with them or so they think. It has nothing to do with what's actually right or wrong or a person's rights after they've served their term.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Again they are changing the law. You are full of bull**** and show how repukes really just want to stay in power at any cost. Just look at long lines caused by repukes due to closing polling stations and reduced funding. Also the repukes are masters of gerrymandering. These were felons who paid their debt to society. You and yours are the perverts of elections!!!

In North Carolina they moved polling places off of (gasp) college campuses.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I think people are blowing this out of proportion.

I seriously doubt that these people are going to be rushing to vote. They did not obey their civic duty in the first place to not be a felon so I seriously doubt they are going to go vote.

So it's not that this governor did the right thing and gave these nonviolent felons their right to vote back, it's that you don't think many will rush to vote and that makes it better. Correct?

 

[Divine_Wind]

So if a guy guns down his wife in Chicago and the jury convicts him and then he gets a sentence of 20 years then he gets out and he should have his gun ownership restored?

Yes, or keep him in prison, maybe even execute him for First Degree murder.

 

[CaughtInThe]

As usual, lacking anything relevant to the subject to post, you post this bull****.

But since you did;

More than 1/10th of the House is controlled by California Dems because of their Gerrymandering.

How many North Carolinas would it take to break that record?

How Democrats Fooled California’s Redistricting Commission — ProPublica

And another twist:

‘Ballot Harvesting,’ California Dems’ Latest Election Stealing Tool

Oh, I just like pointing out that Republicans are currently cheating like crazy via gerrymandering while you play the victim and blame only Democrats.

 

[Praxas]

So if a guy guns down his wife in Chicago and the jury convicts him and then he gets a sentence of 20 years then he gets out and he should have his gun ownership restored?

Yes. If he is such a danger to society that he doesn't deserve to have all his rights re-instated (after serving time and probation), than he shouldn't be released. All rights should be restored after prison time and probation time.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Yes, or keep him in prison, maybe even execute him for First Degree murder.

All people who gun down their spouses are not going to get the death penalty and prosecutors have to go for the crime and sentence they can actually get/prove.

And you want those people, who have gunned down their spouses, once released, to get their gun rights back?

We're not talking about non violent felons anymore. We're talking about killers. People who don't have a problem with killing.

I'm sure police and the families of all the murder victims are right there with you as these people get their gun rights back and become, again, a threat to the families and to police.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Yes. If he is such a danger to society that he doesn't deserve to have all his rights re-instated (after serving time and probation), than he shouldn't be released. All rights should be restored after prison time and probation time.

Well, giving actual killers their rights to guns back.

You guys should run on that issue. I bet the general public has no problem putting guns back in the hands of actual killers.

 

[Divine_Wind]

All people who gun down their spouses are not going to get the death penalty and prosecutors have to go for the crime and sentence they can actually get/prove.

And you want those people, who have gunned down their spouses, once released, to get their gun rights back?

We're not talking about non violent felons anymore. We're talking about killers. People who don't have a problem with killing.

I'm sure police and the families of all the murder victims are right there with you as these people get their gun rights back and become, again, a threat to the families and to police.

If this person is so dangerous that he/she can't legally be allowed to vote or own gun, why are you releasing them upon society?

 

[Praxas]

Well, giving actual killers their rights to guns back.

You guys should run on that issue. I bet the general public has no problem putting guns back in the hands of actual killers.

If guns in the hands of those that have served time and completed their probation are too dangerous to have their rights restored, then they shouldn't have been let out.

 

[What if...?]

Well, Cardinal, that is because the right to vote is the most consequential and powerful of all our rights. More powerful than the right to express yourself freely. More important than the right to keep and bear arms. Because it is the right to appoint officials and craft laws that all other people within our society must follow. That is why the minimum requirement is being an adult of sound mind and good character (or at least, not of a heinously wicked character proven in a Court of Law).

Again, if it was proven that upwards of 90% of felons would vote Republican and forever swamp Democrats in districts where they voted, I would not want their vote, because they are per se not responsible enough to have it. The people who break the rules that all the rest of us take care to follow should not be allowed to turn around and then make the rules that all of us must follow. That is fundamentally unjust. The provably wicked should not have equal power as the law-abider. And two law-breakers should not be able to tell one law-abider what the rules are now that they are able to outvote him. Not unless they can demonstrate that they are no longer wicked individuals.

This might be an acceptable position if it weren't for the history of the war on drugs.

From the illegalization of marijuana to protect investments in wood pulp paper to Nixon's "drug war", which was about arresting war protesters rather than public safety, plus some good old fashioned racism, the entire thing is unclean.

And has resulted in untold numbers of felons.

Who you would permanently remove the franchise from, for commuting "crimes" established for the purpose of profit and incarceration of political opponents.

This factor alone makes permanent disenfranchisement unacceptable.

And only a couple of backward states do it anyway.

And as to the sex offender canard, the vast majority have incurable mental issues and should never be released back into society in the first place. Same for some violent offenders. Too broken to fix, to dangerous to let roam around among the women and children.

 

[Moderate Right]

And democracy continues to spread thanks to Democrats. Just in time for Mitch's election.

Yeah. We want criminals to vote. That sounds like a good idea. And they will vote for the party who doesn't want to put them back in jail either. They can go back to their livelihood and no longer worry about going back to jail. Meanwhile, crime rates rise. But party over country is more important.

 

[ocean515]

Oh, I just like pointing out that Republicans are currently cheating like crazy via gerrymandering while you play the victim and blame only Democrats.

I think I asked a question, but then again, you always run from them.

 

[Mach]

Republicans...so opposed to Felons, they elect and loyally support a President who surrounds himself with felons...even replacing them as some are dragged away to prison.

Any other Christmas Crazy plot lines for the end of this year?

 

[jamesbyoung]

jamesbyoung
Your argument has been rebutted easily and effectively, yet you repeat it. That does not make it any more correct.

Read Master Debator above, please.

No it hasn't. Get better training.

"nuh uh" does not cut it, ocean515. Step along.

 

[jamesbyoung]

I think I asked a question, but then again, you always run from them.

You make assertions but never support them, and you ask questions because you can't rebut neverTrumper points.

 

[ocean515]

jamesbyoung
Your argument has been rebutted easily and effectively, yet you repeat it. That does not make it any more correct.

Read Master Debator above, please.

"nuh uh" does not cut it, ocean515. Step along.

I don't really care that you want to kiss the butt of another poster.

The debt to society has not be paid. That portion of the debt is being forgiven by people who want to pervert elections.

Nobody with any integrity believes this is just some compassionate move. If those convicted felons were all going to vote for President Trump or Republicans, this wouldn't even be an issue.

Learn to promote these liberal agenda items a little better. Denying the facts gets you nowhere.

 

[ocean515]

You make assertions but never support them, and you ask questions because you can't rebut neverTrumper points.

My, aren't you echoing the same BS other posters from the radical left claim. Yet you've only been here for a moment.

Many who have been banned, return under a new handle....

 

[Condor060]

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What does that mean. Every other convicted felon is a Democrat but you were able to find 6 Republicans?

 

[joko104]

Convicted felons tend to vote Democrat. That sounds about right.

The Democratic Party is the pro-criminal party.

 

[jamesbyoung]

I don't really care that you want to kiss the butt of another poster.

The debt to society has not be paid. That portion of the debt is being forgiven by people who want to pervert elections.

Nobody with any integrity believes this is just some compassionate move. If those convicted felons were all going to vote for President Trump or Republicans, this wouldn't even be an issue.

Learn to promote these liberal agenda items a little better. Denying the facts gets you nowhere.

You sound every confused, yes, you do. The debt has been paid. Part of the penalty is not required to forever give up voting rights. Constitutionalism and law based on morality and American principles is neither left nor right. ocean515, you need to learn, love, and live those principles. Right now you sound like you are from Russia.

 

[jamesbyoung]

jamesbyoung You make assertions but never support them, and you ask questions because you can't rebut neverTrumper points.

My, aren't you echoing the same BS other posters from the radical left claim. Yet you've only been here for a moment. Many who have been banned, return under a new handle....

My points are correct American principles, embraced by the right, the center, and the left. You sound very rattled.