140,000 former felons' right to vote restored by new Democratic governor in Kentucky

[ocean515]

You sound every confused, yes, you do. The debt has been paid. Part of the penalty is not required to forever give up voting rights. Constitutionalism and law based on morality and American principles is neither left nor right. ocean515, you need to learn, love, and live those principles. Right now you sound like you are from Russia.

Russia?

:ws

:cuckoo:

 

[jamesbyoung]

The Democratic Party is the pro-criminal party.

Hardly. After the next year's elections, the investigations will clean the GOP and right out from federal to city levels.

You are political crooks, pierre, and is the reckoning coming, you bet.

 

[jamesbyoung]

jamesbyoung
You sound every confused, yes, you do. The debt has been paid. Part of the penalty is not required to forever give up voting rights. Constitutionalism and law based on morality and American principles is neither left nor right. ocean515, you need to learn, love, and live those principles. Right now you sound like you are from Russia.

Russia?
:ws

:cuckoo:

Yep, you sound exactly like a Russian cuckoo bot.

 

[ocean515]

jamesbyoung You make assertions but never support them, and you ask questions because you can't rebut neverTrumper points.



My points are correct American principles, embraced by the right, the center, and the left. You sound very rattled.

Dasvidaniya, comrade.

:2wave:

 

[jamesbyoung]

Dasvidaniya, comrade. :2wave:

Привет oceanoavich515. Every time you blurb, it gets kicked to the curb.

 

[Ikari]

I don't really care that you want to kiss the butt of another poster.

The debt to society has not be paid. That portion of the debt is being forgiven by people who want to pervert elections.

Nobody with any integrity believes this is just some compassionate move. If those convicted felons were all going to vote for President Trump or Republicans, this wouldn't even be an issue.

Learn to promote these liberal agenda items a little better. Denying the facts gets you nowhere.

Yes, I'm pretty sure had you thought those felons were going to vote for President Trump, you wouldn't have an issue with this at all.

But once all punishment is completed, then the full of the rights of the individual should be recognized again.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Yes, or keep him in prison, maybe even execute him for First Degree murder.

So what you're now saying is that we need to change our laws so that if a person is convicted of murder they need to either stay in jail forever or be executed, correct? No exceptions, correct?

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

The law on the books, that everyone knows, is that if you are convicted of a felony, you lose you voting rights. That is part of the debt to society that committing such a crime covers.

Show me where is says "only for the length of your sentence"

As always, the left, absent any concept of personal responsibility, seeks to pervert elections, by excusing part of the debt felons owe society, and then lie about that commutation.
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Every state has their own "laws on the books".

The vast majority of states have laws that allow felons to regain their voting rights after completing their sentences.

Some states allow felons on parole to vote, some require parole to be completed first, and I believe at least one state allows felons to vote while they're in prison.

 

[TurtleDude]

Yes, voting is indeed one of the most consequential and meaningful rights we have, and that is exactly why it should be returned to ex-felons upon serving their sentence. After all, no taxation without representation.

the real problem tends to be representation without taxation. But the main point is-if you trust them to vote, you should trust them to own firearms. If you don't trust them with guns, then they shouldn't vote.

 

[CaughtInThe]

If this person is so dangerous that he/she can't legally be allowed to vote or own gun, why are you releasing them upon society?

normally because the prosecutors can't or don't have enough evidence to convict he or she of murder that carries the maximum sentence.

so, you want our prosecutors to always charge these people with first degree murder (maximum sentence) even if they know they'll lose or do you want them to charge these people with what they can prove and win?

 

[CaughtInThe]

What does that mean. Every other convicted felon is a Democrat but you were able to find 6 Republicans?

the bolded part is a lie.

why lie dude?

 

[Hari Seldon]

In North Carolina they moved polling places off of (gasp) college campuses.

God forbid. I'm lucky. Polling place is the firehouse a mile and a half down the road. I don't think I have ever waited more than 10 minutes in 18 years.

 

[independentusa]

It’s morally bankrupt not to give them their firearm rights back either but if you don’t think people should have firearms rights in the first place I guess you start out morally bankrupt...

I guess I would not have a problem if they were not involved with a crime where a weapon was used, like an armed robbery.

 

[independentusa]

Convicted felons tend to vote Democrat. That sounds about right.

Maybe not those who commit white collar crimes. I suspect they are more likely to vote GOP.

 

[Ikari]

God forbid. I'm lucky. Polling place is the firehouse a mile and a half down the road. I don't think I have ever waited more than 10 minutes in 18 years.

In Colorado, they just mail you your ballot. You can drop it off in one of the numerous ballot boxes all over the place whenever you're out on your normal day.

 

[Hari Seldon]

In Colorado, they just mail you your ballot. You can drop it off in one of the numerous ballot boxes all over the place whenever you're out on your normal day.

Yep, progressive states strive to make it easier to participate in the electoral process while conservative states make it as difficult as possible.

 

[Divine_Wind]

So what you're now saying is that we need to change our laws so that if a person is convicted of murder they need to either stay in jail forever or be executed, correct? No exceptions, correct?

No. I'm saying that a person who is convicted of a violent crime should not be let out until they are no longer a threat to society. If they are no longer a threat why do you insist they be treated as a non-citizen?

normally because the prosecutors can't or don't have enough evidence to convict he or she of murder that carries the maximum sentence.

so, you want our prosecutors to always charge these people with first degree murder (maximum sentence) even if they know they'll lose or do you want them to charge these people with what they can prove and win?

So you are advocating doing an end-run around due process? Interesting. What other Constitutional rights to you think people should use sleight-of-hand to violate?

 

[SCrider]

Blatant power grab is blatant.

Worried that it will go against the GOP? Party over right and wrong......

 

[Craig234]

God forbid. I'm lucky. Polling place is the firehouse a mile and a half down the road. I don't think I have ever waited more than 10 minutes in 18 years.

It's criminal where red states have lines for hours in minority areas.

 

[Craig234]

Maybe not those who commit white collar crimes. I suspect they are more likely to vote GOP.

They're more likely to not get convicted. They keep legalizing more white collar crime. They're just about to legalize the president violating the emoluments clause, obstructing justice, abusing power and completely ignoring Congress's power of oversight, ignoring subpoenas.

 

[AmNat]

Worried that it will go against the GOP?

Yes, I think it's quite likely that criminals will vote Democrat. As I said, this is a blatant power grab.

Party over right and wrong......

I don't regard political power as a human right, Even if it were, criminals lose some of their rights as punishment for their crimes.

 

[VanceMack]

Its interesting to see that rat party supporters want felons to be able to own firearms. I wouldnt have figured that to be their position. Who knew.

 

[Lursa]

It’s morally bankrupt not to give them their firearm rights back either but if you don’t think people should have firearms rights in the first place I guess you start out morally bankrupt...

IMO they should get their 2A rights back too. Esp. if they didnt commit a violent felony.

If they did, then perhaps an additional probationary or other waiting period.

 

[AGENT J]

1.) Why should people who break society's rules by committing the worst crimes (i.e., felonies) get to turn around and then craft society's rules?

1.) easy because they did thie time, the time that same system determined was required

heres a question, what if society's rules are the problem how is it ever fixed? now it doesnt matter what our subjective opinions of felonies are but only what if they are corrupt themselves . . or they happen to put certain people in jail no matter who it is?

if you dont think they would have their voting rights restored (something VERY basic and essential) then they probably shouldnt be let outright? I mean at that point they are just a slave and have no real voice anyway.

Once time is served voting rights should definitely be restored, IMO id be ok with NEVER suspending voting rights because the same question i asked you applies there as well. To me voting rights are just too important, even though many Americans take them for granted.

I see n logical reason to deny them voting rights that wouldnt just stampede into everything else

 

[Lursa]

On what basis is it morally bankrupt, Cardinal? Why should people who break society's rules by committing the worst crimes (i.e., felonies) get to turn around and then craft society's rules?

If they pay their debt to society, why should their basic rights continue to be denied?

They dont vote while they're in jail...but then why shouldnt their full rights be restored to them?

Millions of ****ty people are out there voting. People who cheat on their spouses, beat their kids, cheat others, etc etc and just dont get caught or arent even breaking the law.