13 arrested, 4 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police

[Phys251]

Yay! And they exist!

But that's not what you said, is it?

 

[Anthony60]

It seems like that's why liberals support them.

They do what the snowflakes want to, but are afraid to do.

One thing you can always count on with any Democrat protest is a big mess and garbage left behind. And, of course, hissy fits, property damage, and violence are quite common. And never any condemnation from the left.

 

[Lord of Planar]

One thing you can always count on with any Democrat protest is a big mess and garbage left behind. And, of course, hissy fits, property damage, and violence are quite common. And never any condemnation from the left.

Almost always.

Man, I think the garbage they live behind upsets me the most.

 

[Jay59]

Hitler was a populist and I’d argue he used socialist tinged programs simply as a tool to gain popular support. Further no economic system is pure and even we have programs, like public education, that are arguably socialist. That doesn’t make us socialists in my book. It’s just pragmatism at work.

In the end it doesn’t matter really. Both groups are assholes and arguing over labels is kind of besides the point.

What's your point? Trump is not a populist, though he is called that. He is much too business oriented to be populist.

All groups are asshats. It's part of being human.

 

[Ikari]

Your 'fascists are only right-winged' are fantasies and are political swipes at the right and don't solve any issues.

Oh the victim card. How nice. "stating the truth that fascism is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism is a swipe at the right"

boo hoo hoo

Need a safe space?

Stating the truth that fascism is an extreme right-wing ideology is no more a "swipe at the right" than stating that communism is an extreme left-wing ideology. Grow up.

 

[cabse5]

Oh the victim card. How nice. "stating the truth that fascism is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism is a swipe at the right"

boo hoo hoo

Need a safe space?

Stating the truth that fascism is an extreme right-wing ideology is no more a "swipe at the right" than stating that communism is an extreme left-wing ideology. Grow up.

Why do you need to take a swipe at the right, politically, when you say that fascism only comes from the right?

 

[Ikari]

Why do you need to take a swipe at the right, politically, when you say that fascism only comes from the right?

Why is your political ideology so fragile that it cannot handle the truth of other extreme ideologies that may be further down the line from your own?

 

[Anthony60]

But that's not what you said, is it?

What? It’s full of Democrats, so the Democrat party.


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[Anthony60]

Why is your political ideology so fragile that it cannot handle the truth of other extreme ideologies that may be further down the line from your own?

Far left, far right... what does it matter? Both are anti freedom and want government controlling everything.


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[Phys251]

What? It’s full of Democrats, so the Democrat party.


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Nope. In the US there is no such thing as the "Democrat party." That's a childish slur used to signal that one does not want an intelligent discussion.

It would be as if we started calling you guys the "Rethuglican party," which one wonders if we shouldn't do in response.

 

[Phys251]

Why is your political ideology so fragile that it cannot handle the truth of other extreme ideologies that may be further down the line from your own?

His priorities are misdirected.

 

[Ikari]

Far left, far right... what does it matter? Both are anti freedom and want government controlling everything.


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I'm not arguing with that. Commie or fascist, the results are the same in my book. But some folk are having a hard time accepting that fascism is an extreme right-wing ideology.

 

[vanceen]

Some questions to consider when discussing whether fascism is "left" or "right":

1. What is the definition of "fascism"?
2. What is the definition of "left"?
3. What is the definition of "right"?
4. Why is it important to establish whether fascism is "left" or "right"?

Without starting there, we might as well argue whether "gree-gree" is of the "foo-boo".

 

[bomberfox]

Ergo my original comment that anyone going out with the intent to get into fights, cause vandalism, or in general put at risk the general welfare of the public, should stay at home regardless of what side. I'm not sure how many incidents antifa has legitimately protected anyone. I haven't seen nor heard of any. Perhaps they do.

Anyone who wants to peacefully assemble and protest can. Anyone who just wants to start fights and assault people should stay at home.

this describes the proud boys in portland pretty well so they should have stayed home. On this we agree. The proud boys and their militia buddies should stay home but they didnt and invited a response from antifa. Two situations that immediately come to mind of protecting others. was charlottesville (protecting a multi-ethnic church from neo nazis) and stopping dickie spencer’s college extortion tour. My main contention is with false equivalencies.

 

[NWRatCon]

Why is your political ideology so fragile that it cannot handle the truth of other extreme ideologies that may be further down the line from your own?

"Ooo,ooh, I can answer that! Pick me! Pick me!"

 

[Moderate Right]

From ABC News:

...as the day progressed, tensions seemed to be mounting. At around 4:30 p.m. local time, and the Portland Police tweeted, that "Police are having plastic water bottles thrown at them as they are making an arrest on SW Yamhill and Park." After that, police began advising people to clear the streets or face arrest.

"Police are advising this is now a civil disturbance. Crowd needs to leave the area and go Northbound on Park or any direction eastbound. This means everyone," Portland Police tweeted.

The city has been bracing for several militant right-wing groups to arrive in the city, along with scores of counter-protesters.

Enrique Tarrio, national head of the Proud Boys, who describe themselves as an all-male "western chauvinist" group, and former InfoWars personality Joe Biggs, organized the “End Domestic Terrorism” rally on Saturday that started at 11 a.m. local time. Initially, the crowds moved in slowly, and were met by a heavy police presence, in which local police were bolstered by more than a dozen other law enforcement agencies. 4 arrested, 1 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police - ABC News

This is all so juvenile. And West Side Story-ish. And dangerous.

What's juvenile is the left having counter protests. Let these people march without confrontation and don't give them any time on the news. The left make them who they are.

 

[bomberfox]

His priorities are misdirected.

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This describes the thread on the dayton protest against the klan which was peaceful and nobody got hurt, yet the vilification was just as intense against the counterprotesters.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

What should Trump have said about the proud boys? Were the proud boys breaking laws at the Trump rally, for example?

I don't man, if I had a rally, and some despicable human beings like The Proud Boys were rallying outside, I think I would point out that those scumbags didn't have anything to do with me, and that I didn't want their support.

 

[bomberfox]

Are you suggesting that we should not judge the left/right based on policy? By what metric are we supposed to use? Every policy of Hitler aligned with National Socialism. Yes he was anti-Marx, anti Russian Communism. Mostly because he hated Slavs. Reality. They wrote it down. Because they knew people like you would eventually come along and those books would be needed to prove you wrong.

Actually he tied his hatred of marxism and bolshevism with his antisemitism. To Hitler, marxism and “cultural bolshevism” were jewish plots.

 

[NWRatCon]

The "Proud Boys", like their predecessors, the Sturmabteilung, are a loose coalition of self-proclaimed assholes, who want to create disturbances to further the right-wing cause. They are, simply, hooligans, but their "sport" is politics. Their manifesto deliberately reflects the SA's, as well.

 

[Phys251]

This describes the thread on the dayton protest against the klan which was peaceful and nobody got hurt, yet the vilification was just as intense against the counterprotesters.

That's because of the underlying support for those Nazi protesters.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

It isn't a secret that FDR was a fan of Mussolini and his "third way" between capitalism and communism. You can even say that this mixed economy system has largely become the go to system for most modern countries. The new deal was effectively America's version of fascism.

Reducto ad Hitlerium detected.

Dwight Eisenhower also expressed admiration for Hitler's decision to build a national interstate defense highway system. (The Autobahn)
But that doesn't make Eisenhower an admirer of Hitler any more than our requisitioning of Hitler's finest scientific minds (like Dr. Werner von Braun) makes NASA a Nazi rocket program.
Shall we interpret John Garraty's "Schoolhouse Rock!" animated series as "fascist national indoctrination", too?

I'm sure that there's always a steady supply of right wing and neocon critics who are eager to throw out the advance inoculation of "fascism" just as readily as they abuse the word "socialism".
Doesn't mean there's any factual foundation to such absurd claims.

So to put it more correctly, it isn't a secret that some of Roosevelt's many critics on the right resorted to both labeling him a fascist and red-baiting on alternate Tuesdays and Wednesdays, in their feverish attempts to nullify the success of the New Deal, just as there are many empty headed theories that our postwar boom was the result of the USA supposedly being "the only player left in the game", which was only true for about two years following the end of the war.

Indeed much of the opposition to the National Industrial Recovery Act of 1933 initially claimed that it did not adhere to free market principles of "enlightened self interest" whereas Roosevelt argued that the self interest of the now drastically deflated bubble economy of the Roaring Twenties turned out to be not very enlightened at all unless one counted the small handful of top elites vacuuming up distressed assets at fire sale prices following the big crash.

Will Rogers even launched the biggest broadside against Mr. Hoover's approach:

Nationally syndicated column number 518, And Here’s How It All Happened (1932), as published in the Tulsa Daily World, 5 December 1932

"This election was lost four and five and six years ago not this year.
They dident start thinking of the old common fellow till just as they started out on the election tour. The money was all appropriated for the top in the hopes that it would trickle down to the needy.
Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickled down. Put it uphill and let it go and it will reach the dryest little spot.
But he dident know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night anyhow.
But it will at least have passed through the poor fellow’s hands.
They saved the big banks but the little ones went up the flue."

If anything, the New Deal might be interpreted instead as a series of small quasi-SOCIALIST tweaks to the capitalist economy, harnessing it as a tool to serve working class American families first.

But when the screams of "SOCIALISM!!" failed to move the needle against Roosevelt, they ran home to momma and tried heaving accusations of "fascism" against him instead.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

From ABC News:

...as the day progressed, tensions seemed to be mounting. At around 4:30 p.m. local time, and the Portland Police tweeted, that "Police are having plastic water bottles thrown at them as they are making an arrest on SW Yamhill and Park." After that, police began advising people to clear the streets or face arrest.

"Police are advising this is now a civil disturbance. Crowd needs to leave the area and go Northbound on Park or any direction eastbound. This means everyone," Portland Police tweeted.

The city has been bracing for several militant right-wing groups to arrive in the city, along with scores of counter-protesters.

Enrique Tarrio, national head of the Proud Boys, who describe themselves as an all-male "western chauvinist" group, and former InfoWars personality Joe Biggs, organized the “End Domestic Terrorism” rally on Saturday that started at 11 a.m. local time. Initially, the crowds moved in slowly, and were met by a heavy police presence, in which local police were bolstered by more than a dozen other law enforcement agencies. 4 arrested, 1 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police - ABC News

This is all so juvenile. And West Side Story-ish. And dangerous.

Everyone seems so disappointed that there wasn't massive rioting, counter-rioting, and bloodshed in the streets with dozens of people gunned down by whackos (and also by the return fire from the police [as well as becoming "accidental fatalities and/or casualties"]).

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Everyone seems so disappointed that there wasn't massive rioting, counter-rioting, and bloodshed in the streets with dozens of people gunned down by whackos (and also by the return fire from the police [as well as becoming "accidental fatalities and/or casualties"]).

I found it amusing that the counter protesters had 50 people in banana costumes and a brass band.

Portland protests to feature banana costumes, poop emojis and fundraisers for immigrants - oregonlive.com

 

[NeverTrump]

How odd of a statement. There seems to always be damage to people and property with antifa in the mix.

Funny how the Neo-nazis were surrounded by antifa and ran away 30 mins later. :lamo