13 arrested, 4 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police

[cabse5]

The Nazis were socialists

Nazi just had socialism in its name. Nazism copied many of its tenants from Mussolini who was left winged.

 

[cabse5]

And killing 22 people at once is apparently acceptable to you.

Killing 22 people?

 

[Anthony60]

If they cared about peace and if they hated Antifa as much as they claim to...But they don't and are just douchebags looking to cause/incite violence.

I’m glad the Colonists didn’t think like that. Otherwise, we’d still be royal subjects.

How dare they exercise their rights! They forced antifa to break the law and attack them! No problem with what antifa does. That about right?


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[Ikari]

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism[1][2] characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy[3] which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.[4] The first fascist movements emerged in Italy during World War I, before spreading to other European countries.[4] Opposed to liberalism, Marxism, and anarchism, fascism is placed on the far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum.[4][5]

Fascists saw World War I as a revolution that brought massive changes to the nature of war, society, the state, and technology. The advent of total war and the total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilians and combatants. A "military citizenship" arose in which all citizens were involved with the military in some manner during the war.[6][7] The war had resulted in the rise of a powerful state capable of mobilizing millions of people to serve on the front lines and providing economic production and logistics to support them, as well as having unprecedented authority to intervene in the lives of citizens.[6][7]

Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a totalitarian one-party state as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties.[8] Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a dictator and a martial government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society.[8] Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war and imperialism as means that can achieve national rejuvenation.[9][10] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky (national economic self-sufficiency) through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[11]

let's keep the history revisions to a minimum, shall we?

 

[cabse5]

I think it is worth pointing out that The Proud Boys have rallied outside Trump rallies before and he has never so much as said a thing.

What should Trump have said about the proud boys? Were the proud boys breaking laws at the Trump rally, for example?

 

[Anthony60]

I would get caught up in it because in the last decade a revisionist movement has quietly gathered steam on the right, in a doomed attempt at self inoculation lest the sunshine expose them as having more and more in common with their historic European counterparts on the right a few decades back.

Jonah Goldberg and Dinesh D'Souza are both disgraced bunko peddlers.
Even Ben Shapiro agrees.

Uhhh... sure, okay.


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[cabse5]

antifa doesn't kill people. Those are your buddies who kill people.

Straw man argument. Not his buddies and not all from the ultra-right.

 

[Anthony60]

And yet Trump consistently has approval ratings around 40%.

And yet, the Democrat party exists!

 

[cabse5]

Ergo my original comment that anyone going out with the intent to get into fights, cause vandalism, or in general put at risk the general welfare of the public, should stay at home regardless of what side. I'm not sure how many incidents antifa has legitimately protected anyone. I haven't seen nor heard of any. Perhaps they do.

Anyone who wants to peacefully assemble and protest can. Anyone who just wants to start fights and assault people should stay at home.

The left thinks peacefully protesting the wrong cause is violent protest.

 

[cabse5]

let's keep the history revisions to a minimum, shall we?

This definition of fascism is wrong on its face otherwise Hitler wasn't a fascist and Mussolini wasn't a fascist. Are you willing to admit Hitler and Mussolini weren't fascists? Are you saying Mussolini was right winged?

 

[Gaius46]

Except, not.

That's revisionist spin talking. The National Socialist party was nothing like right-wing. The fascists were the more mainstream socialist party, comfortably left of center, and the Communists were the more extreme version. One reason they hated each other is that they were fighting for the same political turf.

It requires more than merely the word “socialist” in your group’s name to make so. The National Socialist Party was no more socialist than the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is either democratic or a republic.

You’re espousing a distinctly small minority view of what the Nazi party was. They paid lip service to socialism nothing more.



That said there is something called “left wing facism” which has been used to speak about ostensibly left leaning regimes that have some fascist tendencies - most notably the old USSR. However most political scientists and sociologists consider true facism to be a far right ideology. That’s not to defend people like AntiFa who really seem to be more anarchists and the polar opposite of fascists.

Similar to what’s done with racism people like the throw the word fascism around to demonize the other side. That doesn’t change the fact that both words have actual meanings.

 

[Ikari]

This definition is wrong on its face otherwise Hitler wasn't a fascist and Mussolini wasn't a fascist. Are you willing to admit Hitler and Mussolini weren't fascists? Are you saying Mussolini was right winged?

lol

History revisions, now with a partisan twist I suppose.

 

[NeverTrump]

Killing 22 people?

That's what neo-nazis sympathizers like the proud boys do.

 

[NeverTrump]

I’m glad the Colonists didn’t think like that. Otherwise, we’d still be royal subjects.

How dare they exercise their rights! They forced antifa to break the law and attack them! No problem with what antifa does. That about right?


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Hmmm, odd how no damage to property comes w/o neo-nazis in the mix. You'd think portland would be a constant state of anarchy. It's not? Shocking right...

 

[TheGoverness]

lol

History revisions, now with a partisan twist I suppose.

He's doing it again. We've had this same conversation before. Mussolini was a right-wing facist. So was Hilter. Duuuuuuh.

Gotts love people's personal edits of the history books.

 

[NeverTrump]

Straw man argument. Not his buddies and not all from the ultra-right.

What a defense. Not all mass shooters are crazy right wing extremists who like Trump. Just most of them...

 

[cabse5]

lol

History revisions, now with a partisan twist I suppose.

My question is why has some attempted to redefine fascism? As an attempt to take a swipe at the political right.

 

[cabse5]

That's what neo-nazis sympathizers like the proud boys do.

Were 22 people killed in the Portland riot between the ultra-right and ultra-left?

 

[NeverTrump]

Were 22 people killed in the Portland riot between the ultra-right and ultra-left?

did antifa kill anybody?

 

[Ikari]

My question is why has some attempted to redefine fascism? As an attempt to take a swipe at the political right.

No one is redefining it. Fascism is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism. That's what it's always been.

 

[cabse5]

What a defense. Not all mass shooters are crazy right wing extremists who like Trump. Just most of them...

Was Pol Pot's regime in Cambodia crazy right-wingers? Was Lenin's red brigade in Russia after the Tsar fell crazy-right wingers? Was the guy in Dayton a crazy right-winger? Your premise that only crazy right-wingers are mass shooters is false on its face. Move on.

 

[RAMOSS]

Have you ever heard of the Patriot Guard Riders? Have you ever seen them in action? They don't confront, they don't protest, they shield by their peaceful presence. They turn their backs to those who's intent it is to cause disruption (Veteran's funerals).
No conflict, not hatred, no violence.
My point is, just because "they are there" doesn't mean that people in attendance have to turn into a violent rabid mob, regardless of sides. We should remember that we are human beings without having experienced frontal lobe trauma when Trump got elected.

Do you really believe that?

 

[cabse5]

No one is redefining it. Fascism is a form of radical right-wing, authoritarian ultranationalism. That's what it's always been.

The founder of fascism, Mussolini, was left-winged. Not progressively left-winged, mind you, but left-winged nonetheless. Your definition that fascism is only right-winged is incorrect. Why are you and others pushing an incorrect definition of fascism? Neither Mussolini nor Hitler were ultra right-winged.

 

[NeverTrump]

Was Pol Pot's regime in Cambodia crazy right-wingers? Was Lenin's red brigade in Russia after the Tsar fell crazy-right wingers? Was the guy in Dayton a crazy right-winger? You premise that only crazy right-wingers are mass shooters is false on its face. Move on.

Three right-wingers wanted to commit a mass shooting in three different states this weekend. The el paso shooter, along with the Giliroy shooter were all right wingers. I picked five in the past two weeks, you only got one.

 

[Ikari]

The founder of fascism, Mussolini, was left-winged. Not progressively left-winged, mind you, but left-winged nonetheless. Your definition that fascism is only right-winged is incorrect. Why are you and others pushing an incorrect definition of fascism? Neither Mussolini nor Hitler were ultra right-winged.

lol

OK