13 arrested, 4 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police

[cabse5]

You're gonna have to learn to cope with your victimhood complex, one of these days. Have you considered therapy?

You mean we're gonna be victims more and more often?

 

[cabse5]

Then we saw entirely differently filmed coverage... and the courts apparently saw what I saw, because no one from "Antifa" was even arrested, let alone charged.

If you believe The Proud Boys is only a "frat club of beer-swilling misogynists", you have been willfully duped. Personally, I think you know exactly what it is; your choice, but you will eventually face judgment for the company you choose, and the beliefs you espouse. Trump will not always be in the WH giving aid and comfort to the neo-nazis and David Dukes of the world. :shrug:

When did Trump give aid and comfort to Neo-Nazis while in the WH?

 

[cabse5]

And the fact that antifa wouldn't be there if not for the nazis seems to escape you.

Fascists fighting fascists. I say let them duke it out and arrest those who are left standing.

 

[cabse5]

I agree, the National Socialist German Worker’s Party should stay home

Where's home? In the ground?

 

[cabse5]

I haven't read through this whole thread yet, but found it curious that Trump wants to label Antifa as a "terrorist organization", but seems just fine with the far-right hate group the "Proud Boys" who spread white nationalism, misogyny and Islamophobia.



Trump Threatens Antifa With Terrorist Label As Portland Braces For Far-Right Rally | HuffPost

How is Trump just fine with the proud boys? You mean Trump gives the proud boys 1st amendment free speech rights just as he gives ANTIFA? Oh, I fixed your straw man for you.
Is that how people prove Trump is a liar? By providing straw man arguments against Trump?

 

[cabse5]

Interesting.

Thank you for sharing.

I won't be joining, but sounds a lot less sleazy/dangerous than, say, the Democrat Party.

That thing is a criminal gang.

Just wonderin' are you an anarchist?

 

[bomberfox]

Just trying to deflect, a Trumpeteer tactic, it's not very successful. Try to keep up. You wanted to discount "bothsiderism"




Remember that? My post was just reminding you, in case you forgot (which seemed to be the case), that it's not just the alt-right running around just looking for a fight or putting the general welfare of the public at risk. Antifa does it too. The "bothsiderism" isn't completely juvenile, but rather completely justified.

Do try to keep up.

It really depends on the situation. I dont really make the equivalency between antifa and the far right (the far right is in general a bigger threat by a country mile according to the stats) because of incidents where antifa legitimately protects people. Cant say the same for fascists and these far right militias/street gangs. Sometimes antifa does wrong and others right.

 

[NeverTrump]

They could march in Florida, if they so choose. They could march in Seattle, if they so choose. Or do they need permission from antifa?

If they cared about peace and if they hated Antifa as much as they claim to...But they don't and are just douchebags looking to cause/incite violence.

 

[Josie]

If they cared about peace and if they hated Antifa as much as they claim to...But they don't and are just douchebags looking to cause/incite violence.

And if Antifa hated fascists as much as they claim to they wouldn't act exactly like them. Right?

 

[cabse5]

I'm saying w/o neo-nazis going out of their way to fly to portland, antifa wouldn't be clashing w/them in the first place.

No. ANTIFA would just be clashing with every other member of Portland. Mebe the ultra-right is coming to the aid of Portland?

 

[cabse5]

Sometimes, escalation is necessary. With some of the bad actors in these fringe right groups, there needs to be a show of forceful denunciation to make it clear that they aren't welcome. If protest was polite and unobtrusive, we'd still have Jim Crow legislation where I live.

This guy doesn't believe in free speech.

 

[ALiberalModerate]

And the fact that antifa wouldn't be there if not for the nazis seems to escape you.

I think it is worth pointing out that The Proud Boys have rallied outside Trump rallies before and he has never so much as said a thing.

 

[cabse5]

"Nazi supporting post"? You've got a lot of nerve.

The left have all been versed in how to conduct straw man arguments to 'prove' their points.:lamo

 

[cabse5]

OMG they block roads and vehicles!!!! Stay inside and lock all the doors then.

Blocking roads and cars is acceptable behavior to you? Why don't you go to Portland and voice this?

 

[ALiberalModerate]

And if Antifa hated fascists as much as they claim to they wouldn't act exactly like them. Right?

Yes, the Antifa bunch is no good. What is the death toll for Antifa and groups like them for the last 25 years or so compared to white supremacists in the last 25 years or so? White Supremacists, far and away the number one source of domestic terrorism in the United States, exceed Antifa like groups in terms of death toll by hundreds to 1. Yet we continue to get these false equivalencies as though they are both an equal threat, they aren't, it is not even remotely comparable.

 

[NeverTrump]

Blocking roads and cars is acceptable behavior to you? Why don't you go to Portland and voice this?

And killing 22 people at once is apparently acceptable to you.

 

[cabse5]

Speaking of barely anyone, Antifa has killed literally no one, whereas the far right was responsible for every single extremist murder in 2018. If you actually gave a damn about innocent people dying, you wouldn't spend all of your energy on this issue targeting the side that doesn't have a single murder staining their hands.

Not so in the US in 2019. Not so if one uses history or the rest of the world. Not so as a trend but as a political talking point for you. You didn't make any point with your link other than to take a swipe at the political right in America.

 

[NeverTrump]

And if Antifa hated fascists as much as they claim to they wouldn't act exactly like them. Right?

antifa doesn't kill people. Those are your buddies who kill people.

 

[NeverTrump]

I think it is worth pointing out that The Proud Boys have rallied outside Trump rallies before and he has never so much as said a thing.

Those are some of his amazing people that make up his YUGE crowds!!!!

 

[NeverTrump]

No. ANTIFA would just be clashing with every other member of Portland. Mebe the ultra-right is coming to the aid of Portland?

Hmmm, odd how this doesn't happen w/o neo-nazis in the mix. Portland isn't a constant anarchy state. shocking, I know...

 

[SMTA]

Antifa is a division of the Democratic Party, similar to the Nazi's Brown Shirts in Nazi Germany in the 1930s. They follow orders Democratic Party elected officials and spokespersons.

Yet another post of lying bull**** that cannot be proven.
Hilarious.

 

[cabse5]

POTUS went to bat for Antifa? When was that?

When he said both groups (neo-Nazis and ANTIFA) were very fine people in Charlottesville. trump – Mother Jones was protecting the right of free speech for both groups...This was going to bat for both groups in Charlottesville. Violent demonstration is no longer a free speech issue and Trump also acknowledged this with his scare to ANTIFA of making them a domestic terrorist organization if they were to engage with the ultra-right protestors in Portland.

When one uses facts and doesn't engage in straw man fallacies, things become clearer.

 

[Ikari]

It really depends on the situation. I dont really make the equivalency between antifa and the far right (the far right is in general a bigger threat by a country mile according to the stats) because of incidents where antifa legitimately protects people. Cant say the same for fascists and these far right militias/street gangs. Sometimes antifa does wrong and others right.

Ergo my original comment that anyone going out with the intent to get into fights, cause vandalism, or in general put at risk the general welfare of the public, should stay at home regardless of what side. I'm not sure how many incidents antifa has legitimately protected anyone. I haven't seen nor heard of any. Perhaps they do.

Anyone who wants to peacefully assemble and protest can. Anyone who just wants to start fights and assault people should stay at home.

 

[cabse5]

Looks like the Divider in Chief is making pretty clear that as as he's concerned the "fine people" are only ONE side.

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A straw man argument. That Trump is GOP and the ultra-right are GOP (except for Dave Duke who's a T. Gabbard fan) so Trump is a fan of the ultra-right. A fallacy. A lie.

 

[cabse5]

Ironic; isnt it

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Ironic since ANTIFA is far-left and is fascist and is anti-fascist..:lamo That Hiltler wasn't fascist (he wasn't ultra-right). That Mussolini wasn't fascist even though he was the father of fascism 'cause he wasn't ultra-right.

Ironic or simply a lie that fascism is only on the ultra-right.