13 arrested, 4 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police

[Manc Skipper]

Yeah, the usual ones just came scurrying out of the woodwork.

 

[NeverTrump]

No. In the future world you envision, would you require people to get approval before travelling anywhere in the US?

I don't understand why Antifa is allowed to control downtown Portland.

It's apparent the city leaders don't want any outsiders to visit there.

What are you talking about? I see no reason why neo-nazis need to travel across the country to spread their message of hate. Why do you?

 

[Ikari]

According to one report I saw on TV, the Nazis were walking around with shirts saying "Not today Antifa." They weren't there to keep the peace.

No, they certainly aren't. But neither is Antifa. Just one group of violent thugs looking to duke it out with another group of thugs.

 

[NeverTrump]

Grow up. The "Nazis" weren't at Berkeley when Antifa was attacking people and vandalizing buildings.

Nah they were probably beating up people in bars, stealing from their baby boomer supporters, and diddling kids...

 

[Mason66]

Tell me these guys came for peace.

What about that picture makes you think they didn't?

 

[Mason66]

Another MAGA for peace?

That picture shows a man standing there peacefully. The woman looks aggressive.

 

[Mason66]

No. But walking down the streets wearing armor says what your intentions are.

Armor is defensive, not offensive. Did you not know that?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Actually the name means the opposite of what you are implying...

Jay59 is pushing the Hitler was a Leftist windyfoggery. (HWAL)
This is well funded historical revisionism and it's bigger than the chemtrail/flat Earth/anti-vaxxer CT bunch combined.

 

[Geoist]

From ABC News:

...as the day progressed, tensions seemed to be mounting. At around 4:30 p.m. local time, and the Portland Police tweeted, that "Police are having plastic water bottles thrown at them as they are making an arrest on SW Yamhill and Park." After that, police began advising people to clear the streets or face arrest.

"Police are advising this is now a civil disturbance. Crowd needs to leave the area and go Northbound on Park or any direction eastbound. This means everyone," Portland Police tweeted.

The city has been bracing for several militant right-wing groups to arrive in the city, along with scores of counter-protesters.

Enrique Tarrio, national head of the Proud Boys, who describe themselves as an all-male "western chauvinist" group, and former InfoWars personality Joe Biggs, organized the “End Domestic Terrorism” rally on Saturday that started at 11 a.m. local time. Initially, the crowds moved in slowly, and were met by a heavy police presence, in which local police were bolstered by more than a dozen other law enforcement agencies. 4 arrested, 1 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police - ABC News

This is all so juvenile. And West Side Story-ish. And dangerous.

The Oath Keepers dropped out because the whole thing was too right-winged for even them.

 

[Mason66]

They can't help that they're larger people. Does that mean you'd ban them from public speaking, or appearing at rallies. Simply because of their physical characteristics?

Though I do feel sorry for anyone that just comes up and attacks them without provocation.

Meat eaters do tend to be bigger than Soy boys.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Morals? Is civil obedience a moral thing to you?
Damn. Do all libertarians think that? Tell you what I think about that- a man of good morals will defy government, defy authority, whenever he sees it overstepping it's bounds or sees that somebody's rights and freedom is being crowded. And if somebody else is inconvenienced, well, too bad. That's the price of freedom. Sometimes it's inconvenient.
'Course, in a strong fascist or communist state social order comes first. Civil obedience is paramount and maybe you can protest but get permission first. That how libertarians see society?

What you are comfortable with goes beyond acceptable civil disobedience. There is nothing "civil" about the disobedience you are advocating.

 

[Geoist]

I think that if your intent is to get into fights, cause vandalism, or in general put at risk the general welfare of the public, that you should stay at home regardless of what side you are on.

Amen. Unfortunately, these events often bring out the most rabid/violent of the groups.

 

[NeverTrump]

Jay59 is pushing the Hitler was a Leftist windyfoggery. (HWAL)
This is well funded historical revisionism and it's bigger than the chemtrail/flat Earth/anti-vaxxer CT bunch combined.

Still have gotten no answers to any of the proud boy supporters who hate america, why they felt the need to come from Florida to Portland. If any leftwing group did this, you bet they'd be asking that question, but no.... crickets. Could it be b/c they don't want the left to speak up?

 

[Mason66]

no it doesn't.
so show me where they are inviting a fight or violence by walking down the street?
in peaceful marching?

I don't blame them antifa is known for throwing things at people.
they would rather it hit armor than themselves.

Doesn't that seem an odd point of view?

I guess the poster thinks a police officer that goes out with a bullet proof vest on is inviting people to shoot at him.

That doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Grand Mal]

Armor is defensive, not offensive. Did you not know that?

Oversimplistic. Armor is used to defend against counter-attack.
But you know that.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Well, at least they're not hiding on top of buildings over looking the protest with a cache of weapons like the Patriot Prayer did.

Really?

I'm not aware of that. Have proof?

 

[Geoist]

Antifa are the fascists. The name is ironic that way.

What makes them fascist? (do I dare even ask, at this point?)

 

[Lord of Planar]

You're acting as though your own delusions should have a say here then?

The proud boys are not a woman hating, jew hating, or a white nationalist organization.

But that's what the liberal propaganda charlatans tell them.

 

[haymarket]

That is because you inhale the smoke not the cigarette.

Oh - so one is the CAUSE and the other is the REACTION. Got it. Kind of like the right causing violence of the left.

Quote Originally Posted by Sheepdog View Post
Interesting how the right wing always gets blamed for left wing violence.

It all fits.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Agreed.

And I'm not sure what the end game is for Portland by allowing Antifa to control their streets.

They don't have an end game. The liberals who control the city are pansies.

 

[Geoist]

I am a proud bow actually, as of 2017.

Can you explain how their beliefs are any different from the KKK?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Right wing holds rally

Left wing shows up and starts a bunch of violence

News headline: VIOLENCE ERUPTS AT RIGHT WING RALLY TONIGHT!!!


I wonder who the uninformed sheep will blame for the violence. :roll:

That's what happens when the left controls the media. And they still didn't get their president!

 

[Lord of Planar]

In general I do not promote violence as a solution. However, these folks on the right are looking for violence. They are full of hatred. Knowing a bit about history, these people are like hitler, they hate. So to just let them walk around spreading their hateful rhetoric and do nothing, that's what led to hitler trying to exterminate the jews. So I'm happy to see people stand up to the hate mongers and let them know they are not welcome in america.

If you know that as a fact, then you should testify with the evidence you have.

 

[Mason66]

It's the proud boys fault they were asking for a fight, just like it is a womens fault for rape because she was asking for it with a dress too sexy, or it was a black mans fault he got beatup because he was too black in a white neighborhood so he asked for it.

That does seem to be the point of view of a lot of posters here.

It is sad really how off the rails some people are in the US.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Don't adapt the mindset of the proud boys. Those animals are thugs.

Funny.

They are the ones acting like human beings. Antifa is causing the trouble.