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13 arrested, 4 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police

ocean515 said:
Exactly.

I don't get it. Been to Portland too many times to count. Mostly on business. But that was a number of years ago. It was always a bit quirky, and was definitely liberal, but why turn it into a pariah that few people would want to visit.
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Liberal and quirky is good. Anarchy-ridden streets? No thank you. In fact, any of these once-great cities with rat-infested tent cities, poop and needles littering the streets is a "no thank you" for me and my discretionary income.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
So the Nazi SA Brown Shirts were NOT terrorists?

Actually they fit the definition of terrorists to the letter.
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The actual brownshirts were terrorists, however the groups in america are not, calling anything right wing you deem as terrorist as an excuse to attack them is no different than calling every brown person you see as al quaeda as justification to assault them.


Brownshirts were terrorists, I say were because they do not exist anymore, antifa currently exists and uses the exact same tactics as the brownshirts of nazi germany, and guess what the antifa and rotfront of ww2 was actually more violent than the brownshirts were. When people justify terrorism to stop terrorism, they must really have extreme partisan blinders on or must be ignorant of history.
 
From what I've seen on the news its the racist,liberal vermin Antifa doing all the damage.I feel sorry for my peaceful patriot right wingers.
 
beerftw said:
The actual brownshirts were terrorists, however the groups in america are not, calling anything right wing you deem as terrorist as an excuse to attack them is no different than calling every brown person you see as al quaeda as justification to assault them.


Brownshirts were terrorists, I say were because they do not exist anymore, antifa currently exists and uses the exact same tactics as the brownshirts of nazi germany, and guess what the antifa and rotfront of ww2 was actually more violent than the brownshirts were. When people justify terrorism to stop terrorism, they must really have extreme partisan blinders on or must be ignorant of history.
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Then your point about the Germans anti-Nazi groups causing the rise of Hitler makes no sense. The Brown Shirts were the terrorists, and we can't expect any population to sit back and let the terrorists Brown Shirts run the streets. The German people fought back against the Nazi terrorists, just not enough of them fought back. So don't blame Hitler on the ones who tried fight the Brown Shirts.

antifa and rotfront of ww2 was actually more violent than the brownshirts were.
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That's nothing but BS.. Sounds like propaganda you picked up from Limbaugh or Hannity..

BTW your point that there is no right wing domestic terrorist groups also falls flat. I never said everything right wing is terrorist. But if you can't see the right wing domestic terrorism in this country, even the FBI has issued many warnings about them, then you aren't being honest.
 
Let me explain the truth of this matter to you, and you won't like it. For years, long before Trump came along, the Left in Portland, and Seattle, have gone into the streets, violently, to protest anything they do not like, and usually don't understand in the first place. There were the anti-Globalists in both cities, smashing windows and breaking car windows 20 years ago. The cops had things like bolts thrown at them in the late 90s. There was one occasion, at least, when cops came out of a melee with melted face-shields because acid was thrown at them. Then there were the same people, this time dressed up as OccupyWall Streeters, who occupied, and ruined, a beautiful downtown park in Portland They planted invasive species despite having their own silly Environmental Manifesto. Shop-lifting rates skyrocketed in the area they "occupied." The restoral of that park cost city taxpayers well over a million dollars. Police Dept. overtime also exceeded a million dollars. Nazis my sweet azz, Jimbo. Cars and trucks with American flag details were vandalized 20 years ago. After the air-raids on American cities in 2001 a city councilman who also was head of the Fire Dept. ordered the firemen to remove American flags from their fire trucks; they refused ad he had to back down You don't know what in the hell you're gabbling about.
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
Then your point about the Germans anti-Nazi groups causing the rise of Hitler makes no sense. The Brown Shirts were the terrorists, and we can't expect any population to sit back and let the terrorists Brown Shirts run the streets. The German people fought back against the Nazi terrorists, just not enough of them fought back. So don't blame Hitler on the ones who tried fight the Brown Shirts.



That's nothing but BS.. Sounds like propaganda you picked up from Limbaugh or Hannity..

BTW your point that there is no right wing domestic terrorist groups also falls flat. I never said everything right wing is terrorist. But if you can't see the right wing domestic terrorism in this country, even the FBI has issued many warnings about them, then you aren't being honest.
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The brown shirts actually formed originally to defend fascist rallies who were attacked by the antifascists, later on they adopted the same techniques. However due to still being less violent than the socialists and anarchists, they ended up gaining favor and convincing the govt the antifa and socialists were more violent and that hitler could restore order.

Keep in mind this was a time when politics in germany was in chaos from ww1, the socialist front aka the rotfront was backed heavily by stalin, and the only socialists who opposed the rotfront violence were the democratic socialists. The burning of the reichstag by a communist was the last thing he needed for absolute power.


Btw do you even know what the rotfront is, or that antifa existed in prior to ww2 with the same 3 iron arrows as a symbol? Also if you wish to bring up right wing terrorists they do exist, however it seems to be calling every group nazi and right wing terrorist is a justification for antifa assaults, much like antifa and the rotfront led assaults on fascists in the past which led to the creation of the brownshirts which later cemented hitlers power. The real tragedy is historically had antifa not existed hitler may never have been in power or atleast absolute power.
 
weaver2 said:
"End Domestic Terrorism" ?????? And no one in that brain trust even had a tiny second of concern that calling a riot "End of Domestic Terrorism" might cause some snickering in the media and among onlookers?

Did all of the Proud Boys sleep through Jr. Hi English?
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I'm not familiar with their writing or posters/banners. Perhaps you can offer some examples?

Btw, the word you wanted was "High."
 
Serenity said:
"Infowars personality" :lol:


And not a functioning brain cell was found among them.
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imagine for a moment, infowars being the apex of your career :lol:
 
beerftw said:
The brown shirts actually formed originally to defend fascist rallies who were attacked by the antifascists, later on they adopted the same techniques. However due to still being less violent than the socialists and anarchists, they ended up gaining favor and convincing the govt the antifa and socialists were more violent and that hitler could restore order.

Keep in mind this was a time when politics in germany was in chaos from ww1, the socialist front aka the rotfront was backed heavily by stalin, and the only socialists who opposed the rotfront violence were the democratic socialists. The burning of the reichstag by a communist was the last thing he needed for absolute power.


Btw do you even know what the rotfront is, or that antifa existed in prior to ww2 with the same 3 iron arrows as a symbol? Also if you wish to bring up right wing terrorists they do exist, however it seems to be calling every group nazi and right wing terrorist is a justification for antifa assaults, much like antifa and the rotfront led assaults on fascists in the past which led to the creation of the brownshirts which later cemented hitlers power. The real tragedy is historically had antifa not existed hitler may never have been in power or atleast absolute power.
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That's absolute and complete nonsense and propaganda you picked up from 1 of your Conservative media liars.

You're just trying to pin all violent right wing groups and their violence on the other side of the aisle. And I won't be a part of it.

Auf Wiedersehen and have a nice day..
 
beerftw said:
The brown shirts actually formed originally to defend fascist rallies who were attacked by the antifascists, later on they adopted the same techniques. However due to still being less violent than the socialists and anarchists, they ended up gaining favor and convincing the govt the antifa and socialists were more violent and that hitler could restore order.

Keep in mind this was a time when politics in germany was in chaos from ww1, the socialist front aka the rotfront was backed heavily by stalin, and the only socialists who opposed the rotfront violence were the democratic socialists. The burning of the reichstag by a communist was the last thing he needed for absolute power.


Btw do you even know what the rotfront is, or that antifa existed in prior to ww2 with the same 3 iron arrows as a symbol? Also if you wish to bring up right wing terrorists they do exist, however it seems to be calling every group nazi and right wing terrorist is a justification for antifa assaults, much like antifa and the rotfront led assaults on fascists in the past which led to the creation of the brownshirts which later cemented hitlers power. The real tragedy is historically had antifa not existed hitler may never have been in power or atleast absolute power.
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you clearly do know some German/Weimar Republic history but, i don't buy the argument that antifa holds much culpability for hitler. do you care to support that with actual evidence?

from what I recall, there was some arson of the Reichstag, called the Reichstag fire, that cemented Hitler's power. Are you asserting that antifa set the fire?
 
SenorXm/Sirius said:
That's absolute and complete nonsense and propaganda you picked up from 1 of your Conservative media liars.

You're just trying to pin all violent right wing groups and their violence on the other side of the aisle. And I won't be a part of it.

Auf Wiedersehen and have a nice day..
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I am not trying to pin violence on the other isle, but the mere fact you call it lies tells me at this point you are so dead set on your view that you are avoiding researching history as it would destroy your view. If anything my point was fascists usually do not start violence, but they crave it, and exploit anarchists desire for violence to further their goals.

You still do not even know what the rotfront is, if you can not even bother to do the most basic research, then your argument is about as worthless as a customer arguing with a mechanic despite the fact they do not even know which side of the car the hood is on.
 
Winston said:
you clearly do know some German/Weimar Republic history but, i don't buy the argument that antifa holds much culpability for hitler. do you care to support that with actual evidence?

from what I recall, there was some arson of the Reichstag, called the Reichstag fire, that cemented Hitler's power. Are you asserting that antifa set the fire?
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Antifa was a large part of it, but the rotfront was there as well.

And no antifa did not start the fire, however antifa and the rotfront plus the socialist bavarian republic that rivaled stalin in cruelty were all tied with socialism, so when a socialist burned it down it gave hitler all the ammo he needed to secure power. If I remember my reading correct, goebbels and the others were saddened by the fire while hitler seemed excited, like it was what he wanted from the getgo for a powergrab.
 
ocean515 said:
I'm also baffled by the citizens of Portland tolerating the destruction of their city.
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Maybe one of our members from Portland or Oregon will come along to explain.
 
bongsaway said:
Maybe I'm not making myself clear? I'm talking about if the average german citizen stood up and said to hitler, hell no you can't do this to our jewish neighbors, he would have never turned into the madman dictator he became. I'm saying the average america citizen to stand up against these domestic terrorist groups and say hell no you aren't welcome in america.
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But the thing is, Hitler did not invent the hatred of Jews. The hatred of Jews has been documented in Europe going back to the middle ages. Europeans even blamed the Jews for the Black Plague in the 1300's and for centuries in Europe had been victims of discrimination and persecution, usually for religious reasons. Christians saw the Jewish faith as an aberration that had to be quashed. Nobody could know exactly what inspired Hitler to hate the Jews but Hitler was certainly able to influence the Germany people once he entered politics and became Chancellor of Germany.

At this point, I have to draw some comparison between Hitler and Trump because although their (either real or perceived) enemy was different, for Hitler it was Jews and for Trump they were minorities and illegals, the breadth of their power depended on using those groups in order to control others. In other words, if Hitler didn't have a antisemitic bone in his body but had a nation of people that hated Jews and if Trump didn't have a base of people that hate the fact that the US has so many immigrants and Hispanics, then both men would have had significantly less power because they wouldn't have that tool to cement support.

If Hitler had no ill-will towards the Jewish people, and if Trump had no ill-will towards Hispanics and immigrants, each man knew that they could control hundreds of thousands of people if they harnessed that hatred and negativity towards those people in order to use the force and will of those people for their own benefit and their own objectives.
 
Lutherf said:
This is what’s so wrong with you guys. You’re talking about “defending” your city from a specific thought. Since when does one need sticks and bear spray to “defend” against a thought? You people talk about ideas as if they are a physical danger.
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They are from florida. Why did they have to come to Portland to spread their ideas? Couldn't they have just done this in their backyards?
 
ocean515 said:
I'm also baffled by the citizens of Portland tolerating the destruction of their city.
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But you're not baffled that the proud boys decided to fly across the country to come and be jerks somewhere else?
 
Moot said:
Ah, I'm sure they are fine people....on both sides.

But that's not what Trump is saying now. White supremacists instigate the violence and Trump blames Antifa...




Day in and day out, Trump just keeps proving he's a white supremacist sympathizer.
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Do you mean by "instigate the violence" that they organize a rally or do you mean the proud Boys actually started the violence in this case?
 
Mason66 said:
Do you mean by "instigate the violence" that they organize a rally or do you mean the proud Boys actually started the violence in this case?
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It's the proud boys fault they were asking for a fight, just like it is a womens fault for rape because she was asking for it with a dress too sexy, or it was a black mans fault he got beatup because he was too black in a white neighborhood so he asked for it.
 
NeverTrump said:
But you're not baffled that the proud boys decided to fly across the country to come and be jerks somewhere else?
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No. In the future world you envision, would you require people to get approval before travelling anywhere in the US?

I don't understand why Antifa is allowed to control downtown Portland.

It's apparent the city leaders don't want any outsiders to visit there.
 
weaver2 said:
"End Domestic Terrorism" ?????? And no one in that brain trust even had a tiny second of concern that calling a riot "End of Domestic Terrorism" might cause some snickering in the media and among onlookers?

Did all of the Proud Boys sleep through Jr. Hi English?
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they did not know how to spell 'putsch'
 
bomberfox said:
Nazis go there to do exactly that. Muh bothsiderism is completely juvenile.
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Grow up. The "Nazis" weren't at Berkeley when Antifa was attacking people and vandalizing buildings.
 
weaver2 said:
The Antifa group was at home. Their home is Portland, Oregon. This confrontation was started by the Proud Boys who came to Oregon from Florida.
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It's still Westside Story though. All Antifa amounts to is the greatest recruiting tool the fascist far right could ever dream of.
As far as trimming or stemming the influence of Nazi/Klan/alt-Right extremism, they've accomplished exactly bupkus.
 
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