13 arrested, 4 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police

[Mason66]

The Proud Boys aren't protesting domestic terrorism. They're promoting it.

How did they promote domestic terrorism?

Please be specific with their actions.

 

[trouble13]

Assuming you made a typo and meant Antics = anarchists, you are the first conservative I've seen on this forum correctly understand this.



This does raise the question of which side you would have been on in World War II.

When you consider the tolitaristic and antisemitic attitudes on the left i think its obvious which side they would be on.

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[Phys251]

When you consider the tolitaristic and antisemitic attitudes on the left i think its obvious which side they would be on.

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Nazism is far-right.

 

[trouble13]

Nazism is far-right.

Ironic; isnt it

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[TobyOne]

Should they have presented their papers when they crossed state borders ?

What are you talking about? I see no reason why neo-nazis need to travel across the country to spread their message of hate. Why do you?

 

[NeverTrump]

Are you purposely playing ignorant?

ANTIFA are the domestic terrorists they were protesting. That was obvious to everybody but you.

Maybe I don't automatically believe neo-nazi propaganda. Unlike some members of DP.

 

[SLC]

Nazism is far-right.

The Nazis were socialists

 

[Lisa]

Antifa are anarchists, not fascists.

Antifa are not anarchists. You are confusing the two groups (Antifa and Blackbloc anarchists) because they both dress in black and wear masks. They have different goals, despite the common dress. Antifa (Anti-fascist) exists only to oppose the Alt-right such as Neo-nazis, Klan and white nationalists, but they use their own violent tactics against them. You cant fight the alt-right peacefully, so the Antifa have turned their own tactis on them.


What are black bloc anarchists? - Big Think

 

[Lisa]

The Nazis were socialists

Do you know what propaganda is? Nazis broke up unions and attacked organizers and communists.

 

[Gaius46]

No. But walking down the streets wearing armor says what your intentions are.

Intentions? So we restrict speech based on intention now?

What matters are actions. If their actions are not violent they can ride down Main Street in a tank and it wouldn’t make a difference.

The minute you start talking about “intention” and stop dealing with actual facts you’ve lost your argument because all you are doing now is speculating.

The minute you start talking about restricting freedoms because of what you think someone’s intentions are you screw us all.

 

[Gaius46]

They are from florida. Why did they have to come to Portland to spread their ideas? Couldn't they have just done this in their backyards?

I’ve been watching BBC lately and they did a report on the proud boys and antifa in Portland. I got the distinct impression that there’s a pretty active proud boy chapter in Portland which makes me think that most of these yahoos are actually residents.

 

[beerftw]

Antifa are not anarchists. You are confusing the two groups (Antifa and Blackbloc anarchists) because they both dress in black and wear masks. They have different goals, despite the common dress. Antifa (Anti-fascist) exists only to oppose the Alt-right such as Neo-nazis, Klan and white nationalists, but they use their own violent tactics against them. You cant fight the alt-right peacefully, so the Antifa have turned their own tactis on them.


What are black bloc anarchists? - Big Think

That is not correct in the slightest, antifa has opposed more than fascists and alt right, and has deemed everyone to the right of bernie sanders as a fascist, they are also know for attacking innocent bystanders and reporters as well as constantly using racial slurs against black police officers like their ideology excuses their own racism. They have also rioted jewish and gay conservative speakers, one of which is a jewish gay with a black boyfriend, so your idea of antifa must have gone to oblivion and back to avoid any sense of reality to support assaults on those who politically dissagree with you.

 

[Gaius46]

The big issue is those big guys.

What’s that supposed to mean? The inquiring minds of big guy’s everywhere- myself included - would really like to know.

 

[ludin]

They're anarchists. The opposite of dictators. You don't know what the hell you're talking about. Do you think anyone who opposes the expression of ideas they disagree with are fascists? Damn. You must be just making this all up as you go along.
Listen. Antifa are anarchists. That means they believe all government is an unnecessary evil. Fascists believe government should violently quash anarchists and anyone who looks like an anarchist. There's many reasons why Antifa needs to be opposed but calling them fascists is just stupid and counter to what you want to accomplish.
Not everyone on the lunatic fringe is a fascist.

Not really. Anarchists can be dictators in their own right whether they realize it or not.
A dictatorship is nothing more than 1 group of people that lord's its power over others.
often with the use of force to silence people that would stand against them.

That is what antifa does. they very much use force and the threat of force to shut down any and all
conversation that they do not agree with. So yes i do know what i am talking about.

Actually most antifa members are socialists not anarchists. Facism itself is a socialist construct since the only way that facism works is by huge
government control and suppression of speech and thought. which is what antifa does.

you will never find 1 fascist government that steeped itself in conservatism.

 

[ludin]

Oversimplistic. Armor is used to defend against counter-attack.
But you know that.

no armor is there to defend against any attack.
that is why police wear vests when they go out or they are supposed to wear vests.
why? because it defends them against any attack.
not just counter attack.
but you knew that.

 

[ludin]

Nor incitement in this instance.

Liberal understanding of free speech is willfully, woefully, wildly ignorant.

yes we know it is.
they now believe that words are violence.
it is pretty crazy.

 

[Sheepdog]

Oh - so one is the CAUSE and the other is the REACTION. Got it. Kind of like the right causing violence of the left.

You think its the Proud Boy's fault that Antifa hits them in the face with bike locks.

Sounds like a lot of victim blaming from the radical left Antifa apologists. Antifa has to go out wearing masks...that is how you know they are in the wrong.

 

[haymarket]

You think its the Proud Boy's fault that Antifa hits them in the face with bike locks.

Sounds like a lot of victim blaming from the radical left Antifa apologists. Antifa has to go out wearing masks...that is how you know they are in the wrong.

I do not know what you are referring to.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

No, they certainly aren't. But neither is Antifa. Just one group of violent thugs looking to duke it out with another group of thugs.

I prefer the "anti-fa" who landed at Normandy, traipsed through the Ardennes, fighting and putting their lives on the line every step of the way.
We fought fascism because it was a threat to the democratic process and because it was racking up an enormous body count of innocent lives.

 

[Jay59]

What makes them fascist? (do I dare even ask, at this point?)

They are using violence to silence political discourse that disagrees with their leftist/socialist ideology. They are taking the place in the Democratic party once held by the KKK. That said, these are the thugs, not the elite security forces, the SA not the SS.

 

[Jay59]

Fascist authoritarian socialist anarchists. And that 'ocean' guy says they're progressives, too. Damn, they must be busy.

Socialist is compatible with progressive. Fascist is one of the variations of authoritarian socialists. I am sorry if language is imprecise.

Why do you keep sticking anarchist in. That is one that clearly does not belong.

 

[Moot]

Why should they? Why is antifa so insecure in thier beliefs that they feel need to use violence to silence ideas they are afraid of? ANTIFA could of ignored the rally.

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Um, the White Supremacists sought out Antifa, not the other way around. White supremacy isn't something to be ignored. It tends to spread like a disease if left unchecked.

These fascist, misogynist, racists groups wouldn't have had the guts to hold such a hate baiting rally if Trump hadn't given them his blessing.

 

[Gaius46]

They are using violence to silence political discourse that disagrees with their leftist/socialist ideology. They are taking the place in the Democratic party once held by the KKK. That said, these are the thugs, not the elite security forces, the SA not the SS.

Except that fascism is defitionally an ultra right wing nationalist philosophy.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

What a joke. Antifa would be shooting the American soldiers in the back.

And smoking cigarettes don't contribute to lung cancer, and the Earth is flat.

 

[Nap]

I prefer the "anti-fa" who landed at Normandy, traipsed through the Ardennes, fighting and putting their lives on the line every step of the way.
We fought fascism because it was a threat to the democratic process and because it was racking up an enormous body count of innocent lives.

Seems like a rather dramatic rewriting of history. The US fought fascism because they declared war on the US and dragged them into the war. In fact you can pretty much make the argument that FDR was a fascist himself who took many of his ideas from Hitler and Mussolini.