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13 arrested, 4 injured at Portland right wing rally: Police

Jesse Booth said:
You're right about the apoliticality, in that Antifa is a literal non-entity that only forms up in local groups bound by a common distaste for fascists. It's worth remembering that 99% of the time, the folks in Antifa are, in fact, just nonviolent protesters. Black bloc tactics are necessary to avoid getting doxxed by the far right & having your life and loved ones threatened by the same kinds of right wingers who usually start the violence at these rallies.
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AntiFa are the ones who do the doxxing....
 
j-mac said:
True, but being a jerk to others isn't the way to handle disagreements either...It is however, a way to escalate the situation.
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Sometimes, escalation is necessary. With some of the bad actors in these fringe right groups, there needs to be a show of forceful denunciation to make it clear that they aren't welcome. If protest was polite and unobtrusive, we'd still have Jim Crow legislation where I live.
 
j-mac said:
It's kind of like in that scene from Saving Private Ryan, where the captured German soldier earlier in the movie is released, returns in the village when the squad is fighting a German Panzer, and that soldier finds the American upstairs and begins to fight hand to hand....The German gets the better of the American and while on top of him they are pleading with each other, as the German forces the bayonet ever closer to the American's heart while telling him, 'shhh, shhhh, it's ok, it's ok, shhh....And kills him...That's what metaphorically what the progressive left want's to do with their political opposition today....



It's unacceptable.
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I don't think you thought out that nazi supporting post well enough.
 
NeverTrump said:
I'm saying w/o neo-nazis going out of their way to fly to portland, antifa wouldn't be clashing w/them in the first place.
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Why is ANTIFA in Portland?

Is Portland the hotbed for fascism? EDIT:Yes, it is. ANTIFA is there, perpetually.
 
NeverTrump said:
I'm saying w/o neo-nazis going out of their way to fly to portland, antifa wouldn't be clashing w/them in the first place.
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Come on....you know full well that is nonsense....If the PB group weren't there, AntiFa would seek targets in their own communities....Like this episode...





 
I find it interesting that Enrique Tarrio, the national proud boys leader is black and identifies as Afro-Cuban. Not that I care.
 
j-mac said:
Well, my experience in those situations is that the "good ole fashion shouting match" more often than not progresses into a good ole fashion fight. Why is it that the person in question offended couldn't just shake their heads and walk away....? I tell ya, I remember in the 80's the KKK would try and hold rallies every year in this small town called Rising Sun, MD. In the beginning people would turn out and scream at the clowns marching and such, and it was a big spectacle....As time wore on, less and less people turned out to shout at the clowns....and the rallies stopped....
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Calling out idiots who are throwing a tantrum for being the spoiled brats that they are while not engaging them Is a time tested winner for reducing or eliminating that behavior.
 
j-mac said:
Come on....you know full well that is nonsense....If the PB group weren't there, AntiFa would seek targets in their own communities....Like this episode...





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OMG they block roads and vehicles!!!! Stay inside and lock all the doors then.
 
Lutherf said:
Calling out idiots who are throwing a tantrum for being the spoiled brats that they are while not engaging them Is a time tested winner for reducing or eliminating that behavior.
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Unless the confrontation is what they want....When they don't get that, in many situations they just disappear....
 
j-mac said:
So, that makes it ok? I think if either side does that it is deplorable....There is only one reason to 'dox' anyone...
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In a competition of bad actors, though, the far right spends far more time and energy making sure that the people protesting them have to fear for their safety than their protesters spend on making them not want to come out in public demonstrations. Two assaulters are both bad people, but the assaulter that attacks twice as many people is clearly the worse of the two.
 
NeverTrump said:
OMG they block roads and vehicles!!!! Stay inside and lock all the doors then.
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And the damage done by these people? Who bears that? Look, you tried to say that if it weren't for PB, then Antifa would not show up....Well, I provided proof that isn't so, they just shift their targets to people in their own communities that disagree with their ideology, or so they perceive....But that's ok with you?
 
Jesse Booth said:
In a competition of bad actors, though, the far right spends far more time and energy making sure that the people protesting them have to fear for their safety than their protesters spend on making them not want to come out in public demonstrations. Two assaulters are both bad people, but the assaulter that attacks twice as many people is clearly the worse of the two.
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That's just immature nonsense....the old "Johnny does it too" argument.....It wasn't acceptable when my children were small, and it surely isn't acceptable from so called adults.
 
j-mac said:
And the damage done by these people? Who bears that? Look, you tried to say that if it weren't for PB, then Antifa would not show up....Well, I provided proof that isn't so, they just shift their targets to people in their own communities that disagree with their ideology, or so they perceive....But that's ok with you?
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I generally do not get outraged by out of context youtube videos by right wing anti-intellectuals or actions taken by a non-organized group that is against fascism and corruption. By the way, when is Trump going to pay for his El Paso rally? Sorry. find someone else for your victimhood. I'm done.
 
NeverTrump said:
I generally do not get outraged by out of context youtube videos by right wing anti-intellectuals or actions taken by a non-organized group that is against fascism and corruption. By the way, when is Trump going to pay for his El Paso rally? Sorry. find someone else for your victimhood. I'm done.
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HaHa.....Run away...I understand...I just thought your supposed intellect would have some better response than, "you're a poopy head".... and run away...lol
 
NeverTrump said:
I'm saying w/o neo-nazis going out of their way to fly to portland, antifa wouldn't be clashing w/them in the first place.
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Here we go again.

The proud Boys went to protest domestic terrorism so they had to go where the domestic terrorists are, which is in Portland.

As I said before with the Selma example, you don't think people should travel any distance to protest what they know is wrong. I hope you don't think all those people that marched in Selma were from that little town, do you?

I know you are on the left, so how did you become so radicalized that you are against people traveling to protest wrongs, like Selma?
 
j-mac said:
That's just immature nonsense....the old "Johnny does it too" argument.....It wasn't acceptable when my children were small, and it surely isn't acceptable from so called adults.
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It's not a "Johnny does it too" argument, j-mac. It's a rebuttal to your obsession with calling out Antifa when you let far worse behavior on your own side slide without even paying lip service to opposing it.
 
Jesse Booth said:
When thousands come out to protest the far right over and over again, and barely anyone gets in a scrap, I think it's safe to say that most of the people protesting are nonviolent.
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Barely anyone? It only takes one. Remember Charlottesville?
 
Mason66 said:
Barely anyone? It only takes one. Remember Charlottesville?
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Speaking of barely anyone, Antifa has killed literally no one, whereas the far right was responsible for every single extremist murder in 2018. If you actually gave a damn about innocent people dying, you wouldn't spend all of your energy on this issue targeting the side that doesn't have a single murder staining their hands.
 
Jesse Booth said:
It's not a "Johnny does it too" argument, j-mac. It's a rebuttal to your obsession with calling out Antifa when you let far worse behavior on your own side slide without even paying lip service to opposing it.
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Ya know, It's almost like I write things in here that are totally ignored by posts like this....So far I have said that I don't agree with PB, and that they are part of the problem....And that is just ignored like it was never expressed...If you think that I am going to say what you want me to say, just so you can continue an argument you are mistaken...Clearly the authoritarian streak is just as strong in your side as you claim comes from your opponents. Not helpful.
 
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