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[W:257] Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

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No...I simply called out your inept interpretations which you make not in the name of a belief system but out of convenience to an ideology or cause.
And i would throw the same accusation back at you. Confusing punishment for sacrifice is absolute incompetence in comprehension skills as well as twisting words to suite your own purpose.
 
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Christians have a reputation for being homophobic. Well I am going to state my position on homosexuality. The Bible says not to be a homosexual and its very cut and dry on that. Particularly when its men with other men. There is one verse that I know of in the Bible that addresses lesbianism but where the Bible really hits it home is when it comes to men with other men, the Bible makes it very clear that men should not engage in homosexual acts with other men and that you should not live such a lifestyle. Now not everybody believes the Bible and that's their choice and as far as Im concerned if somebody's gay that's their business but as for me, I don't get with other men number one because the Bible says not to and number two, because I just don't like other men. What two consenting men do or what two consenting women do is none of my business and I want to keep it that way, but I don't like other men, I don't want to be with other men, and that's my choice.

The subject of homosexuality is complicated where Christian belief is concerned. The Old Testament law proscribes homosexuality, but it also forbids eating shrimp and getting a haircut.

Christ does not mention homosexuality as a sin even once. Not a very important topic, apparently. But He does say something else over and over: that we should love God and love one another.

What St. Paul singles out as sinful is being effeminate. This suggests that he agreed with the Greek practice of shunning homosexuals who lived as women and failed to do their duty as men. But otherwise the Greeks had no problem with it, as is famously the lore of Classical Greece.
 
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The subject of homosexuality is complicated where Christian belief is concerned. The Old Testament law proscribes homosexuality, but it also forbids eating shrimp and getting a haircut.

Christ does not mention homosexuality as a sin even once. Not a very important topic, apparently. But He does say something else over and over: that we should love God and love one another.

What St. Paul singles out as sinful is being effeminate. This suggests that he agreed with the Greek practice of shunning homosexuals who lived as women and failed to do their duty as men. But otherwise the Greeks had no problem with it, as is famously the lore of Classical Greece.

Actually the Greeks approved of pederasty while disapproving of adult male homosexuality among equals. It was a kind of weird thing they had going on over there.

But, I have no issue with the rest of your post. I believe it's a fair assessment of the situation.
 
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And i would throw the same accusation back at you. Confusing punishment for sacrifice is absolute incompetence in comprehension skills as well as twisting words to suite your own purpose.
if you read scripture and think it SUPPORTS your views on homosexuality...you have a serious comprehension problem.

But again...you are talking to the wrong person. Take it up with the individual that made the rules.
 
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I didn't say someone tried to prevent proteome from acting on anything. No wonder it seems goofy to you, you didn't understand.

Control = .........
 
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“I do not request that you take them out of the world, but that you watch over them because of the wicked one." John 15:17

Satan is the "wicked one," correct? And who rules this world, including it's governments?

"whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." 2 Corinthians 4:4

"So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him." Revelation 12:9
This gets tedious.

Where do you get that I am advocating that you CAN be a slave to two masters?
 
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No, it's not a dumb argument as a counter to idiots saying "it's unnatural". It's one of the most natural things in the world and it predates the Bible and all written history. If god didn't want a bunch of butt sex happening he wouldn't have filled the world full of gay humans and animals.
I Understand. You believe that you have the same natural tendencies and are driven by the same intellectual capacity as a rat.
 
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I Understand. You believe that you have the same natural tendencies and are driven by the same intellectual capacity as a rat.

"You believe it's natural to eat food, seek shelter, poop, fight and mate, same as the animals. Disgusting!"
 
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anything, it can be self control it can be adherence to orthodoxies it doesn't require people acting with force upon others.
How about this. If Christians are trying to control your choices to live as a homosexual, you let me know and I will be right there with you to tell them that they are wrong. Deal?
 
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How laughably dishonest of you. And how typical.
And you as usual offer nothing to the conversation. How...typical of you.
 
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"You believe it's natural to eat food, seek shelter, poop, fight and mate, same as the animals. Disgusting!"
OK...lets try this.

Do you think it would be 'natural' for some adults to be attracted to children? Is it 'natural' for some adolescent or adult 'children' to be attracted to their parents or vice versa? Is it 'natural' for some brothers to be attracted to their sisters?
 
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This gets tedious.

Where do you get that I am advocating that you CAN be a slave to two masters?

I don't know that you do...do you?
 
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And you as usual offer nothing to the conversation. How...typical of you.

As usual, I was and now am responding to nothing. Utter than your rank dishonesty, of course. How typical of you.
 
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How about this. If Christians are trying to control your choices to live as a homosexual, you let me know and I will be right there with you to tell them that they are wrong. Deal?
You still misunderstand.

Christianity as in the ideology controls Cristians through Cristian submitting to the authority of God.
 
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You still misunderstand.

Christianity as in the ideology controls Cristians through Cristian submitting to the authority of God.
Christianity is the gift. It is the choice of the individual to take it. Living it is the reward.
 
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What is the point of this thread really?

"Homophobia" originally meant a man fearing that he himself was gay, so would rant against homosexuality to try to self prove he wasn't. This has evolved to anyone who does not 100% support all LGBT rights is "homophobic."

The Bible, OT and NT, harshly condemns the physical act of sex between men. No question of that. There is no condemnation of lesbians as per Biblical definition it is literally not possible for women to have sex. Sex specifically means penis in vagina in the Bible. That's why all verses about stoning homosexuals is always about males - and why to this day in Muslim countries only males are murdered or imprisoned for homosexuality.

It takes little thought to understand that if women couldn't "play" with each other, harems of as many as over 300 guarded by castrated men wouldn't work. In the Bible, it is impossible for two women to have sex together because neither of them have a penis. The verse about unnatural acts refers to bestiality, not lesbianism.

Of Christians who agree to that rule being the rule about male homosexuality, it means a man should not engage in sex with another man, even if really wanting to, just like a alcoholic shouldn't get drunk, even if wants to. A person shouldn't steal, even if extremely pressured internally to do so. In the Bible, it isn't the desire that is "sin," it is the physical act. For this, the rule of all desires to sin is to resist the desire and not commit the sin.

That does not equate to hating homosexuals anymore than opposition to fornication or adultery converts to hating those who do. The "rule" of the Bible is to "hate the sin, not the sinner" to Christians who have NOT mixed their belief with their personal view of secular morality.
 
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Re: Christian Viewpoint On Homosexuality

What is the point of this thread really?

"Homophobia" originally meant a man fearing that he himself was gay, so would rant against homosexuality to try to self prove he wasn't. This has evolved to anyone who does not 100% support all LGBT rights is "homophobic."

The Bible, OT and NT, harshly condemns the physical act of sex between men. No question of that. There is no condemnation of lesbians as per Biblical definition it is literally not possible for women to have sex. Sex specifically means penis in vagina in the Bible. That's why all verses about stoning homosexuals is always about males - and why to this day in Muslim countries only males are murdered or imprisoned for homosexuality.

It takes little thought to understand that if women couldn't "play" with each other, harems of as many as over 300 guarded by castrated men wouldn't work. In the Bible, it is impossible for two women to have sex together because neither of them have a penis. The verse about unnatural acts refers to bestiality, not lesbianism.

Of Christians who agree to that rule being the rule about male homosexuality, it means a man should not engage in sex with another man, even if really wanting to, just like a alcoholic shouldn't get drunk, even if wants to. A person shouldn't steal, even if extremely pressured internally to do so. In the Bible, it isn't the desire that is "sin," it is the physical act. For this, the rule of all desires to sin is to resist the desire and not commit the sin.

That does not equate to hating homosexuals anymore than opposition to fornication or adultery converts to hating those who do. The "rule" of the Bible is to "hate the sin, not the sinner" to Christians who have NOT mixed their belief with their personal view of secular morality.

I was once in a group entitled Muslims vs. ex-Muslims. There were several videos showing women being stoned to death for engaging in homosexual activity. At least the Muslims who posted those videos claimed that was the reason for the stonings.
 
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That doesn't negate what I said.
Wonderful. And nothing has negated what I have said. I guess life is good. So...to recap...a Christian is an imperfect human being that strives to follow Christs teachings, a Christian does not judge homosexuals but accepts Gods word on homosexuality, and God has declared homosexuality a sin in both the Old and New Testament.

Id say we worked through that pretty completely.
 
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Wonderful. And nothing has negated what I have said. I guess life is good. So...to recap...a Christian is an imperfect human being that strives to follow Christs teachings, a Christian does not judge homosexuals but accepts Gods word on homosexuality, and God has declared homosexuality a sin in both the Old and New Testament.

Id say we worked through that pretty completely.

not really. You didn't learn anything.
 
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if you read scripture and think it SUPPORTS your views on homosexuality...you have a serious comprehension problem.

But again...you are talking to the wrong person. Take it up with the individual that made the rules.

I have pointed to what is written. You on the other hand have given me nothing more than your personal opinion on how it should be interpreted. Not surprising really as there is no god to give a decisive interpretation all we have is individuals making up there own stories as to what that badly written book means.
 
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