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The Stupidity of AR-15 Bans

dave8383 said:
That's because you paper shooterts are hilarious.

"You go into a bar with two hanguns blazing"
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You ever have had to shoot someone dave? I doubt you even own a gun.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The 2A protects a right of the people - even those people who happen to reside in or travel through a state.
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That is true after McDonald-before McDonald, that was not true. For some strange reason, the 2nd Was not incorporated under the 14th until the last decade
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The 2A protects a right of the people - even those people who happen to reside in or travel through a state.
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Only for an express purpose. Otherwise, State laws must apply.

SECTION 22. RIGHT TO ARMS
Subject only to the police power, the right of the
individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed.
(Source: Illinois Constitution.)
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bluesmoke said:
For clarity, I did mean weapon as in gun. Anyway, only #5 would work in American mass shootings. It's AWs and semi-auto handguns with high-capacity mags. And AWs are on the rise.
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They're only on the rise because they're popular. They're no more effective than Mini-14s or handguns.
 
Tlrmln said:
They're only on the rise because they're popular. They're no more effective than Mini-14s or handguns.
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Handguns are very popular both in overall ownership and in criminal activity. They're exceptionally well suited for criminal activity because they're easily concealed and highly portable. But let's not talk about that right now. Too many people who are generally anti-gun are paradoxically comforted by the .38 special or 9mm Glock in their nightstand.
 
dave8383 said:
Humorous that you have to ask those questions paper shooter.
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Lets see

I have shot

Paper

steel plates

clay targets

birds

mammals

bowling pins (national record in that shooting sport)

foam animals (arrows)

straw bales and grass matts (arrows)

foam discs (arrows)

"tin" cans

bottles

watermelons

ritz crackers

Old beer in cans

old soda pop cans

and one mugger
 
TurtleDude said:
Lets see

I have shot

Paper

steel plates

clay targets

birds

mammals

bowling pins (national record in that shooting sport)

foam animals (arrows)

straw bales and grass matts (arrows)

foam discs (arrows)

"tin" cans

bottles

watermelons

ritz crackers

Old beer in cans

old soda pop cans

and one mugger
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Not a bad mornings work.
 
dave8383 said:
Lets just say I've used them more than I wish I had.
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well if you are like that black lady politician who claimed an AR 15 weighed more than"ten boxes"that could be once or twice.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It is hard to imagine someone intent on being a mass shooter would be overly concerned about violating a state's gun laws.
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As in not a machine gun or an automatic gun. The guns used in mass shootings are legal guns. The majority, maybe 70+%, were legally obtained. Perhaps a number of the gun types used in mass shootings will become illegal, like in California, but there will still be millions of them grandfathered in that will remain legal, though can't be sold or transferred.
 
bluesmoke said:
As in not a machine gun or an automatic gun. The guns used in mass shootings are legal guns. The majority, maybe 70+%, were legally obtained. Perhaps a number of the gun types used in mass shootings will become illegal, like in California, but there will still be millions of them grandfathered in that will remain legal, though can't be sold or transferred.
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If something cannot be sold or transferred then it has to eventually be taken (e.g. upon probate of an estate). What, exactly, prevents them from being sold or transferred out of the state of CA? What, exactly, prevents them from being brought (as legally owned private property) into the state of CA?
 
daeler said:
You are just ignoring cases like the Oklahoma bombing? Arson cases, The guy in NY that ran over 9 people? One guy used a can of lighter fluid in a bar.

Pointing out the different types of weapons doesn't really change the topic they are just points on one side of the debate that says the problem isn't guns.
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If you're saying that if AW style guns are banned, then those who would have preferred to use an AW would instead use a bomb, arson or vehicle to kill what people and where they want, then what you say would be germane. Otherwise not. But, you can post whatever you want within the rules of this forum. Whatever makes you feel better. Or, you could start your own thread.
 
bluesmoke said:
If you're saying that if AW style guns are banned, then those who would have preferred to use an AW would instead use a bomb, arson or vehicle to kill what people and where they want, then what you say would be germane. Otherwise not. But, you can post whatever you want within the rules of this forum. Whatever makes you feel better. Or, you could start your own thread.
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Yes, I am saying, if you ban AR-15s and weapons like them it will have no effect on mass killings. The killer would just switch to a different weapon. I don't understand why that concept is so hard for people to grasp.
 
daeler said:
Yes, I am saying, if you ban AR-15s and weapons like them it will have no effect on mass killings. The killer would just switch to a different weapon. I don't understand why that concept is so hard for people to grasp.
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He thinks mass shooters are attracted to the scary features of certain guns, so presumably they wouldn't want to switch to a different weapon:

bluesmoke said:
I’m saying you can take that legal “featureless” rifle and with some ingenuity make it look enough like an AW to still attract a shooter because it’s the appearance the shooter is after since the function is the same all around with any well-made semi-auto rifle. Fake flash suppressor. Fake telescoping stock. Slightly curved fixed mag. Add a bipod. Maybe you can think of a couple goodies.
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Brought to you by the Party of Science.
 
TurtleDude said:
pump shotgun with buck shot
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Standard max 7 + 1 capacity or 20 round? How long would it take you to reload and how long to reload a 20-round mag into an M1? I could see it being more effective to reload that pump with one shell directly into the chamber then shoot and repeat thereafter. Still slower.
 
bluesmoke said:
Standard max 7 + 1 capacity or 20 round? How long would it take you to reload and how long to reload a 20-round mag into an M1? I could see it being more effective to reload that pump with one shell directly into the chamber then shoot and repeat thereafter. Still slower.
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uh I can completely reload an eight round tube in under a few seconds. and I'd be carrying a couple 17 round handguns as backup. You see what you fail to understand is that active shooters PLAN when and WHERE they attack and what they are carrying. Gun bans don't stop those people, magazine limits don't limit what they carry. ALL MAGAZINE LIMITS DO, is handicap defenders
 
bluesmoke said:
Standard max 7 + 1 capacity or 20 round? How long would it take you to reload and how long to reload a 20-round mag into an M1? I could see it being more effective to reload that pump with one shell directly into the chamber then shoot and repeat thereafter. Still slower.
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watch and learn.


 
Tlrmln said:
They're only on the rise because they're popular. They're no more effective than Mini-14s or handguns.
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A semi-automatic firearm with the highest capacity magazine and firing the highest velocity hard-cast bullets are the most effective. A mini-14 is an automatic firearm and not used in the mass shootings in discussion. No handgun that I no of has the mag capacity of an AW style rifle or bullet velocity.
 
bluesmoke said:
A semi-automatic firearm with the highest capacity magazine and firing the highest velocity hard-cast bullets are the most effective. A mini-14 is an automatic firearm and not used in the mass shootings in discussion. No handgun that I no of has the mag capacity of an AW style rifle or bullet velocity.
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You can buy extended drum mags for handguns. Those can hold up to 100 rounds. And does it really matter if the bullet is travelling at 1800 feet per second or 2300 feet per second?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
If something cannot be sold or transferred then it has to eventually be taken (e.g. upon probate of an estate). What, exactly, prevents them from being sold or transferred out of the state of CA? What, exactly, prevents them from being brought (as legally owned private property) into the state of CA?
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Just to be clear, by transferred I mean given from one person to another, not necessarily by sale, as opposed to transportation.

Inherited guns by immediate family are legal except assault weapons. An assault weapon found by LEO in possession of someone must show proof of ownership or be subject to prosecution. A qualified estate handler will know to so advise the executor of any estate.

Nothing stops them from taking the weapon out of state, except discovery, and selling to someone else, again except that state’s law and upon discovery.

With few exceptions, firearms transported into California must go through a licensed dealer. If previously purchased, if I recall correctly, the dealer charges the owner to run a background check and confirm legal purchase of a legal firearm and whatever else the law may require. If brought it illegally, it’s again a case of discovery by a LEO and then possible prosecution. Just like with anything else that can't be brought into the state legally. Be it drugs, unstamped cigarettes or whatever.
 
bluesmoke said:
Just to be clear, by transferred I mean given from one person to another, not necessarily by sale, as opposed to transportation.

Inherited guns by immediate family are legal except assault weapons. An assault weapon found by LEO in possession of someone must show proof of ownership or be subject to prosecution. A qualified estate handler will know to so advise the executor of any estate.

Nothing stops them from taking the weapon out of state, except discovery, and selling to someone else, again except that state’s law and upon discovery.

With few exceptions, firearms transported into California must go through a licensed dealer. If previously purchased, if I recall correctly, the dealer charges the owner to run a background check and confirm legal purchase of a legal firearm and whatever else the law may require. If brought it illegally, it’s again a case of discovery by a LEO and then possible prosecution. Just like with anything else that can't be brought into the state legally. Be it drugs, unstamped cigarettes or whatever.
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This appears to be totally made up by you - can you cite any source for the "assault weapons" cannot be passed on to an heir or anyone else in CA?
 
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