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Trump loses at Supreme Court - NY DA will receive Trump financial records.

trixare4kids said:
Even if those two had voted against, Trump would have still lost by a majority 5-4 decision.
Such high drama on your part though.

But don't get too excited, this is a "decision that probably means the records will be shielded from public scrutiny under grand jury secrecy rules until after the election, and perhaps indefinitely."

Supreme Court Rules Trump Cannot Block Release of Financial Records
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I don't think the NY state's attorney for Manhattan will be worried about whether he gets GJ records or not.
 
ludin said:
It can be argued again back in the lower court.
Trump can still raise objections as the court ruled.

the house gets squat.

That sounds like a good reason to me. HIs tax returns and other information has nothing to do with whether or not illegal campaigns donations were done.
however based on campaign laws Trump can donate as much to his campaign as he wants to.

also any violation would be against the campaign not trump.

you didn't read the ruling which is not my problem. you read a headline and skipped all the facts.
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Campaign contributions CANNOT come from foreign governments particularly one like Russia who is our enemy, who wants to destroy our country, who wants to create chaos and turmoil, who wants to weaken democracy. That is ILLEGAL.

This is where Trump's worries lie because nearly ALL his loans came from Deutsche Bank which is little more than a filter for the dark money of Russian oligarchs.
 
PNW Guy said:
My bet is he just refuses to turn it over anyway, dares the court to do anything about it.
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Trump doesn't have it. Mazars has it and they have to cough it up.
 
digitusmedius said:
Somehow it seems the Cult of Dirtbag is trying to find a way to tag Gorsuch and Kavanaugh as closet liberals. I thank all the gods who created these people for our sport and enjoyment.
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If you find enjoyment in them, I think you have a problem.
 
HumblePi said:
Campaign contributions CANNOT come from foreign governments particularly one like Russia who is our enemy, who wants to destroy our country, who wants to create chaos and turmoil, who wants to weaken democracy. That is ILLEGAL.

This is where Trump's worries lie because nearly ALL his loans came from Deutsche Bank which is little more than a filter for the dark money of Russian oligarchs.
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Cool prove they were first. The prosecution doesn't get to go fishing.
that is what the court ruled. trump can raise objections that they do not have evidence that is the case.

the conspiracy theory forum is ---------------------------------->

although i didn't see all your anger over this one.
Chinese Illegally Donated to Bill Clinton Reelection Campaign. Media Downplayed. | National Review

Clinton was accepting money from the chinese back in 96. and your silence will be astounding.
dismissed for your faux outrage.
 
MaryP said:
I'm not sure they did it to "stall." They do a lot of that avoiding the Big Issue by sending it back to the lower courts. Maybe that's normal, I don't know, but they did it in Masterpiece cakeshop and at least one other recently I can't think of at the moment. From reading their decision in Deutsch and Mazars, they do NOT want to take up a separation of powers case. We'll see how it goes.
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It's standard for the court to send cases back to lower courts, but usually with a clear ruling on a key legal issue that makes the outcome clear. I think in this case, they COULD have done more, like the court did on the Nixon tapes, recognizing urgency, and I'm suspicious, as I said, of their trying to give trump the delay he wants while not destroying the law when it's so clear.

Will all this be moot if the cases are delayed until after Trump is voted out of office (IF he is voted out of office)? The ones involving a Congressional subpoena, I mean.
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No, Congress' power to see the tax information is for any American, having nothing to do with whether trump is president or not. It's only because he's president he has more resources and arguments to make up.
 
ludin said:
There were two separate rulings you should pay more attention. not that you will.
I posted the two rulings in this thread.

reading helps.
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Writing coherently also helps. In any case, your attempt to equate these two cases is either due to that sloppiness of writing or the hope of trying to make them sound like the same issue was being ruled on. The one that your dear Dirtbag lost big on is part of a criminal case while the one that dealt with Congress has merely to do with his political corruption. The biggest threat to Dirtbag is the criminal case being built in NY state for tax evasion and fraud. He will go to jail for those crimes when he leaves office.
 
digitusmedius said:
Writing coherently also helps. In any case, your attempt to equate these two cases is either due to that sloppiness of writing or the hope of trying to make them sound like the same issue was being ruled on. The one that your dear Dirtbag lost big on is part of a criminal case while the one that dealt with Congress has merely to do with his political corruption. The biggest threat to Dirtbag is the criminal case being built in NY state for tax evasion and fraud. He will go to jail for those crimes when he leaves office.
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not reading is why you lose.
 
Craig234 said:
If you find enjoyment in them, I think you have a problem.
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You don't find farce enjoyable? They're a clown show. Evil, nasty clowns, yes, but if you can't also enjoy the stupidity, buffoonery and stooginess I'm not the one with the problem. Lighten up.
 
tres borrachos said:
Has Trumpy started his Twitter rage yet?
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Yeah, the usual.

President Trump Retweeted
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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2h
Courts in the past have given “broad deference”. BUT NOT ME!
President Trump Retweeted
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
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2h
The Supreme Court sends case back to Lower Court, arguments to continue. This is all a political prosecution. I won the Mueller Witch Hunt, and others, and now I have to keep fighting in a politically corrupt New York. Not fair to this Presidency or Administration!
 
ludin said:
It can be argued again back in the lower court.
Trump can still raise objections as the court ruled.

the house gets squat.

That sounds like a good reason to me. HIs tax returns and other information has nothing to do with whether or not illegal campaigns donations were done.
however based on campaign laws Trump can donate as much to his campaign as he wants to.

also any violation would be against the campaign not trump.

you didn't read the ruling which is not my problem. you read a headline and skipped all the facts.
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^ literally celebrating oversight being prevented (at least temporarily).

they aren't for small government or transparency.
 
MaryP said:
Yeah, the usual.

President Trump Retweeted
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
2h
Courts in the past have given “broad deference”. BUT NOT ME!
President Trump Retweeted
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
2h
The Supreme Court sends case back to Lower Court, arguments to continue. This is all a political prosecution. I won the Mueller Witch Hunt, and others, and now I have to keep fighting in a politically corrupt New York. Not fair to this Presidency or Administration!
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I just checked it out. Three screaming all caps Tweets. He's losing it right before our eyes.
 
Rogue Valley said:
Not the "left". Law abiding citizens of every stripe should strive to see SCOTUS uphold the laws of the land.
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The Trumpers really need to familiarize themselves with the way the government is supposed to work, oh, and the Constitution. Some of these replies seem to feel there's decisions for one party and decisions for the other party as if one side has to lose in what is best for the country, which, when left to the Senate, failed the country miserably. I really am convinced they feel he should be like a king and allowed to do whatever he wants. The mind numbing ignorance is very concerning.
 
digitusmedius said:
On what basis do you assume that lower court judges must allow for more "hearings" other than to bring all the parties to court to issue the order for the documents to be turned over to the NY state attorney's office? At least in the Mazars case, that company has already stipulated that it would follow the SCOTUS decision. That would leave Trump's lawyers little or no ground to keep stringing the court along.
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Well, the coverage largely treats both cases the same; Jeffrey Toobin called them a legal defeat but practical victory. A couple quotes from the CNN article:

"The cases were sent back to lower courts for further review, all but ensuring that Trump's financial documents, which he has long sought to protect, will not be handed over before the November presidential election."

"Trump's attorney, Jay Sekulow, celebrated the decisions.

"We are pleased that in the decisions issued today, the Supreme Court has temporarily blocked both Congress and New York prosecutors from obtaining the President's financial records. We will now proceed to raise additional constitutional and legal issues in the lower courts," Sekulow said in a statement."
 
digitusmedius said:
You don't find farce enjoyable?
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No, I don't find, say, a fascist or other dictator taking over a country - Franco, Marcos, Mao, Republican plutocrats - to be 'farce' or enjoyable, nor the idiocy of their supporters, however easy it is to criticize them.
 
PNW Guy said:
My bet is he just refuses to turn it over anyway, dares the court to do anything about it.
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Mazars will just turn over the records in their custody.
 
Interesting, CNN changed their headline from saying trump won, to saying he lost but got a delay.
 
ludin said:
Cool prove they were first. The prosecution doesn't get to go fishing.
that is what the court ruled. trump can raise objections that they do not have evidence that is the case.

the conspiracy theory forum is ---------------------------------->

although i didn't see all your anger over this one.
Chinese Illegally Donated to Bill Clinton Reelection Campaign. Media Downplayed. | National Review

Clinton was accepting money from the chinese back in 96. and your silence will be astounding.
dismissed for your faux outrage.
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It's not fishing when one of the parties involved alleges that it occurred..
 
how long before Donald Trump says that the returns turned over to the State of New York by Mazars are "altered" or "fake"?


you know it's coming (not much different than what Trump/Rush/Sean did on the birth certificate). i say it will happen within 4 days of them being turned over.


Bets?
 
digitusmedius said:
I feel pity for you.
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you didn't read. so you should pity yourself.
it isn't my issue you didn't read.

I posted both rulings and what they both mean.
it isn't hard to understand well maybe for you.
 
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