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Impeach Trump. Save America.

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Impeach Trump. Save America.

It is the only thing to do if our country’s democracy is to survive.

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Out steps Trump from the heart of darkness.

By Thomas Friedman
Impeaching a president is the most consequential thing our Congress can do — other than declaring war. So, after great consideration, I say: President Trump not only should be impeached, he must be impeached if America’s democracy is to remain intact. Why? Because the facts here are not in doubt — indeed Trump’s allies in the media and Congress have largely given up disputing them. Generally speaking, I believe presidents should be elected and removed by the voters at the polls. But when I hear Trump defenders scream, “Impeachment subverts the will of the people,” I say: “Really? What the hell do you think Trump was doing in Ukraine?” He was subverting the will of the people by scheming to use our tax dollars to knock out his most feared opponent in the coming election — rather than trusting voters to do that. The only reason the plot was aborted was that a whistle-blower from the intelligence community drew attention to the president’s plan, forcing him to release the money to Ukraine — moments before his shakedown exploded into public view. Trump was like a bank robber with a gun to a teller’s head, who suddenly heard the police sirens approaching and ran off before he could stash the money in his bag. So while the founders wanted to reserve removal of a president for elections by the people, they understood that there could be situations when removing a president might be necessary to protect and preserve our very framework for holding free and fair elections. That framework is the Constitution and the rule of law — and this is one of those situations.

If we say, as Republicans do, that what Trump did is not an impeachable offense, we are telling ourselves and every future president that — in direct contradiction of what the founders wrote in the Constitution — it is O.K. to enlist a foreign power to tilt the election your way. Can you imagine how much money candidates could raise from Saudi Arabia or China to tilt a future election their way, or how many cyber-warriors they could enlist from Russia or Iran to create fake news, suppress voting or spur outrage? The integrity of our elections would be shattered, and we would never again have a legitimate president — a president, who, whether or not you liked him or her, was at least seen as legitimately elected. If Congress were to do what Republicans demand — forgo impeaching this president for enlisting a foreign power to get him elected, after he refused to hand over any of the documents that Congress had requested and blocked all of his key aides who knew what happened from testifying — we would be saying that a president is henceforth above the law. We would be saying that we no longer have three coequal branches of government. We would be saying that we no longer have a separation of powers. We would be saying that our president is now a king. If we do that, the America you studied in history class, the America you grew up knowing and loving, and the America that the rest of the world has so long admired as a beacon of democracy and justice will be no more. Oh, how we will miss it when it’s gone.

Although impeaching Trump is the politically confounding thing to do, impeachment is the moral, ethical, and patriotic thing to do at this time.

I believe History will view the coming year as a defining one for America. Either we return to our cherished values, or we will witness the horrible subversion of our 243 year old Republic.
 
Impeach warren because she is a white lair


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Impeach warren because she is a white lair.

If Trump is allowed to enlist/strong-arm foreign nations to meddle in our elections, we will be trading the values of Madison for the values of Moscow.
 
Trump will still be president when all is said and done. I will also enjoy the liberal tears in 2020 when Trump is reelected.
 
Trump's better than anything the Dims have to offer. Not that it's any kind of endorsement by me.
 
David pakman lays out exactly what trump is doing. Look at this insanity.
 
Impeach Trump. Save America.

It is the only thing to do if our country’s democracy is to survive.

ap_19137681677399_wide-fb06f85dc5a801cc37976690f527d92e45ca1313.jpg

Out steps Trump from the heart of darkness.



Although impeaching Trump is the politically confounding thing to do, impeachment is the moral, ethical, and patriotic thing to do at this time.

I believe History will view the coming year as a defining one for America. Either we return to our cherished values, or we will witness the horrible subversion of our 243 year old Republic.

This is backwards. This whole process is what's damaging America, not the other way around. The blind and rabid hatred people hold for Trump is causing them to be OK with the undermining of fundamental institutions in the U.S. Hell, we just had a POS Congressman release cellphone data of his political opposition and people were actually OK with that. This is ridiculous.
 
This is backwards. This whole process is what's damaging America, not the other way around. The blind and rabid hatred people hold for Trump is causing them to be OK with the undermining of fundamental institutions in the U.S. Hell, we just had a POS Congressman release cellphone data of his political opposition and people were actually OK with that. This is ridiculous.

Oh ffs. Trump doxxed lindsay Graham so spare us your fake ass bull**** outrage.
 
Oh ffs. Trump doxxed lindsay Graham so spare us your fake ass bull**** outrage.

It's telling you cannot distinguish between the government using surveillance apparatuses and w/e you're talking about, unless you're saying that Trump used intelligence agencies to get info on Graham to release info on him. What a stupid post. You should go sit in a corner and think about what you did.
 
It's telling you cannot distinguish between the government using surveillance apparatuses and w/e you're talking about, unless you're saying that Trump used intelligence agencies to get info on Graham to release info on him. What a stupid post. You should go sit in a corner and think about what you did.

But he pees in all the corners, so I don't think he's gonna do it.
 
Impeach Trump. Save America.

It is the only thing to do if our country’s democracy is to survive.

ap_19137681677399_wide-fb06f85dc5a801cc37976690f527d92e45ca1313.jpg

Out steps Trump from the heart of darkness.



Although impeaching Trump is the politically confounding thing to do, impeachment is the moral, ethical, and patriotic thing to do at this time.

I believe History will view the coming year as a defining one for America. Either we return to our cherished values, or we will witness the horrible subversion of our 243 year old Republic.

On a tear today? "It is the only thing to do if our country’s democracy is to survive."

Oh the horror of president Trump? What cherished values are you supporting. The DOJ and FBI illegally spying on US citizens?
TDS is a very dangerous mind issue.
 
This is backwards. This whole process is what's damaging America, not the other way around. The blind and rabid hatred people hold for Trump is causing them to be OK with the undermining of fundamental institutions in the U.S. Hell, we just had a POS Congressman release cellphone data of his political opposition and people were actually OK with that. This is ridiculous.

And why do you suppose so many people dislike Trump? Is it possible it's because of Trump? Could it be his habitual lying? How about the way he treats anybody that speaks against him?
I could go on and on. The guy is a looser and all that support him think their doing the right thing. What a surprise they have coming. They're all complicit in every rotten thing Trump has said or done. Grow some balls, GOP, cause you're looking like a bunch of stupid babies right now.
 
On a tear today? "It is the only thing to do if our country’s democracy is to survive."

Oh the horror of president Trump? What cherished values are you supporting. The DOJ and FBI illegally spying on US citizens?
TDS is a very dangerous mind issue.

The DOJ and FBI never "spied" illegally on anyone. The use of undercover investigators is a standard element of counter-intelligence operations. People need to understand that Trump and his associates have been under FBI investigation since 2011 AT LEAST, but it has nothing to do with ‘politics,’ but CRIMINALITY, in the form of money-laundering, and MOST of this involves Russians, at least one of which was actually living in Trump Tower. The fact that Trump decided to run for the Presidency while his associates that joined his campaign team were ALREADY under investigation is an example of how poorly Trump vets his business partners and associates, but that isn’t ‘political,’ and neither is Mueller’s investigation.

The Russian infiltration of the DNC’s computers was discovered by the Dutch, who passed it on to the FBI. Did you know that? The Dutch are so good at this kind of thing that they actually hacked the hackers, including hacking into their laptop cameras, so they had video of the Russian hackers as they hacked into the DNC!

Operation Crossfire Hurricane was a result of the suspicious behavior of members of the Trump campaign. Any American who is doing what these people did would also come under FBI and other security agencies scrutiny. Trump, regardless of what position he has does not get a free pass. There is strong evidence of criminal wrongdoing at all levels. Between feigning outraged virtue, threats of retaliation and sending Giuliani out promoting the idea that there is nothing wrong with breaking the law Trump is continually painting himself into a corner. Barr and the right wing noise machine will spin the Horowitz report as hard as possible to distract from the impeachment inquiry and to further wreck the FBI.
 
Impeachment is horrible and there is never a clear political winner when they take the vote. It is never worth the risk unless you absolutely have to do it. We cannot allow a standard to be set that says the POTUS can strong arm foreign nations into interfering in our political process. It's inherently unpatriotic and frankly treasonous. Protecting our elections is essential to the stability of the republic. It's incredibly sad that it needs to be said, but that's where we are.
 
Impeachment is horrible and there is never a clear political winner when they take the vote. It is never worth the risk unless you absolutely have to do it. We cannot allow a standard to be set that says the POTUS can strong arm foreign nations into interfering in our political process. It's inherently unpatriotic and frankly treasonous. Protecting our elections is essential to the stability of the republic. It's incredibly sad that it needs to be said, but that's where we are.

True dat.

It's profoundly sad that many Americans today would be just fine with trashing the Constitution so that their choice of president and party can remain in power.

The ends - increasing political power; justify the means - crapping all over our Constitution and the Rule of Law.
 
Impeach Trump. Save America.

It is the only thing to do if our country’s democracy is to survive.

ap_19137681677399_wide-fb06f85dc5a801cc37976690f527d92e45ca1313.jpg

Out steps Trump from the heart of darkness.



Although impeaching Trump is the politically confounding thing to do, impeachment is the moral, ethical, and patriotic thing to do at this time.

I believe History will view the coming year as a defining one for America. Either we return to our cherished values, or we will witness the horrible subversion of our 243 year old Republic.

Cherished values? You gotta' be ****ting me? :lol:
The anti-Trump Democrooks sitting in congress wouldn't know a value if it up and hit them in their partisan heads.
 
This is backwards. This whole process is what's damaging America, not the other way around. The blind and rabid hatred people hold for Trump is causing them to be OK with the undermining of fundamental institutions in the U.S. Hell, we just had a POS Congressman release cellphone data of his political opposition and people were actually OK with that. This is ridiculous.
What do you expect America's reaction to be?
There has never been a President who has had this high of a disapproval rating throughout his presidency.
Trump's disapproval rating is unprecedented.
America is disgusted with Trump.
What do you expect to happen when America dislikes their president so much?

53% of America is a part of the Deep State or some ****, yes?

Americans just think Trump sucks as President more so than any other President since we started keeping track.

:shrug:

What do you expect when more than half the country thinks the president sucks?
 
The DOJ and FBI never "spied" illegally on anyone. The use of undercover investigators is a standard element of counter-intelligence operations. People need to understand that Trump and his associates have been under FBI investigation since 2011 AT LEAST, but it has nothing to do with ‘politics,’ but CRIMINALITY, in the form of money-laundering, and MOST of this involves Russians, at least one of which was actually living in Trump Tower. The fact that Trump decided to run for the Presidency while his associates that joined his campaign team were ALREADY under investigation is an example of how poorly Trump vets his business partners and associates, but that isn’t ‘political,’ and neither is Mueller’s investigation.

The Russian infiltration of the DNC’s computers was discovered by the Dutch, who passed it on to the FBI. Did you know that? The Dutch are so good at this kind of thing that they actually hacked the hackers, including hacking into their laptop cameras, so they had video of the Russian hackers as they hacked into the DNC!

Operation Crossfire Hurricane was a result of the suspicious behavior of members of the Trump campaign. Any American who is doing what these people did would also come under FBI and other security agencies scrutiny. Trump, regardless of what position he has does not get a free pass. There is strong evidence of criminal wrongdoing at all levels. Between feigning outraged virtue, threats of retaliation and sending Giuliani out promoting the idea that there is nothing wrong with breaking the law Trump is continually painting himself into a corner. Barr and the right wing noise machine will spin the Horowitz report as hard as possible to distract from the impeachment inquiry and to further wreck the FBI.

Downer said that PapaD said that Mifsud said that some Russians said there were other Russians who have incriminating evidence on Clinton.
That was it. The basis for starting the investigation.
It's much weaker than what Trump had against Biden.

It's not a distraction from impeachment to point this out. It's an argument of how weak the impeachment argument truly is.
 
Impeachment is horrible and there is never a clear political winner when they take the vote. It is never worth the risk unless you absolutely have to do it. We cannot allow a standard to be set that says the POTUS can strong arm foreign nations into interfering in our political process. It's inherently unpatriotic and frankly treasonous. Protecting our elections is essential to the stability of the republic. It's incredibly sad that it needs to be said, but that's where we are.

And of the precedent being set that presidential candidates are immune from being investigated...?
 
Impeach Trump. Save America.

It is the only thing to do if our country’s democracy is to survive.

ap_19137681677399_wide-fb06f85dc5a801cc37976690f527d92e45ca1313.jpg

Out steps Trump from the heart of darkness.



Although impeaching Trump is the politically confounding thing to do, impeachment is the moral, ethical, and patriotic thing to do at this time.

I believe History will view the coming year as a defining one for America. Either we return to our cherished values, or we will witness the horrible subversion of our 243 year old Republic.

You want to protect democracy by impeaching a president with no evidence of a crime? :lamo

Yeah, that can only make sense in Liberal Land.
 
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