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It's Not Right VS Left Anymore

NeverTrump said:
It's Civility VS Incivility
It's Morals VS Immorality
It's Propaganda VS Facts
It's Fascism VS Democracy

When they call us "liberals" what they really mean to say is that we are civilized people who care about the world and don't think everything is a freaking joke. They want to cause chaos, hate, and division.
When they want to attack people for holding different beliefs or looking different than them, it shows their insecurity and immorality.
When they say Fake News, and only listen to Trump or Trump lackeys, that's really propaganda.
When they say America isn't a Democracy, it's a republic, they want it to be run by a tin-foil hat dictator named Trump.
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omg, America is not a Democracy! God I wish people would take civics classes.
 
SonOfDaedalus said:
Yep, conservatives have gone off the rails by supporting the clown in the White House and denying climate change. It was Nixon who started the EPA. When did Republicans stop caring about the environment and stop listening to scientists?
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And look what the right wing a hole in Brazil is doing? Opening up the Amazon to deforestation so the businesses can profit. The earths lungs are being destroyed by right wing greed
 
Grandpappy said:
When we call you liberals, we mean people who are blinded by false idealism that isn't workable in the real world, who actually believe the propagandists of the MSM, and who's candidates, if elected, would fundamentally change this country into a second rate world power.

No thanks.
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And yet you believe Trump, despite all his lies and broken promises? That's some impressive devotion sickness.
 
DamnYankee said:
Today is a beautiful day. Forecast says it's going to be in the mid 80's, love it.
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I'm going to spend the rest of the day, this afternoon with my family, outdoors.
Grandson is playing his first HS football game this afternoon. He is the starting QB.
Tonight, celebrating Granddaughter's sweet 16th birthday with family.

The weather is very sunny and beautiful today, and much cooler than yesterday. :sun
 
NeverTrump said:
It's Civility VS Incivility
It's Morals VS Immorality
It's Propaganda VS Facts
It's Fascism VS Democracy

When they call us "liberals" what they really mean to say is that we are civilized people who care about the world and don't think everything is a freaking joke. They want to cause chaos, hate, and division.
When they want to attack people for holding different beliefs or looking different than them, it shows their insecurity and immorality.
When they say Fake News, and only listen to Trump or Trump lackeys, that's really propaganda.
When they say America isn't a Democracy, it's a republic, they want it to be run by a tin-foil hat dictator named Trump.
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You have stated the problem clearly but you didn't realize it. All that you have said simply needs to substitute liberal, left or democrat as the subject of your claim. It's democrats that are causing divisiveness with there claims of racism, white supremacy, zenophobia, homophobia, climate deniers and a host of others, for which they have little fact and so either make up the facts or change them. Groups like Antifa are clearly facist, but I don't think democrats know what that actually is. Instead you claim nationalism is somehow a bad thing, so you don't know what it is either. You and the rest of the left/liberal/democrats can't be honest because that would mean having to recognize and acknowledge the success that Trump has produced in reshaping the military, the economy, the job market and the rise in our position in world status.
 
Grandpappy said:
Before Trump, the level of useless, idealistic policies destined for failure, and conceived by an incompetent administrations, were reaching the point of collapse.
Trump is many things, some good, some bad, but he is a realist who makes policies based on common sense.
Now many people don't like that. And we have the divided country as a result.
Doesn't matter, the work has to be done. That's the meaning of the "Chosen one" comment. He wasn't bragging, he was telling us how difficult the job is.
I would think the fact that the media are easily exposed as a pack of liars just by this example alone would cause some to change their viewpoint, but they stubbornly cling to their precious BS.
Such is human nature.
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Once again, you just spout false things without anything to back it up, and that has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. You people have no idea what an argument is. You think just yelling out things you want to be true makes it true
 
trixare4kids said:
I'm going to spend the rest of the day, this afternoon with my family, outdoors.
Grandson is playing his first HS football game this afternoon. He is the starting QB.
Tonight, celebrating Granddaughter's sweet 16th birthday with family.

The weather is very sunny and beautiful today, and much cooler than yesterday. :sun
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Enjoy!!!!!!!!:2dancing:
 
Acadia said:
omg, America is not a Democracy! God I wish people would take civics classes.
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And Fake news is FAKES news... so much of it is fake, the left doesn't know the difference between propaganda, spin, and truth and the people I have problems with are not liberals. Liberals and moderates could save the Democratic Party if they weren't so spineless.
Instead they sit back and watch the country deteriorate by leftist extremism gone amok.

The O/P is a clear example of that. "moderate" my ass....
I'm more moderate than he is... :lamo
 
NeverTrump said:
It's Civility VS Incivility
It's Morals VS Immorality
It's Propaganda VS Facts
It's Fascism VS Democracy

When they call us "liberals" what they really mean to say is that we are civilized people who care about the world and don't think everything is a freaking joke. They want to cause chaos, hate, and division.
When they want to attack people for holding different beliefs or looking different than them, it shows their insecurity and immorality.
When they say Fake News, and only listen to Trump or Trump lackeys, that's really propaganda.
When they say America isn't a Democracy, it's a republic, they want it to be run by a tin-foil hat dictator named Trump.
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It's all irrelevant.

No one cares what people think. People can huff and puff all day about the other side. It's meaningless.

When the people get tired of all the hate, they'll change it up. Either it can be good, or bad.
 
trixare4kids said:
And Fake news is FAKES news... so much of it is fake, the left doesn't know the difference between propaganda, spin, and truth and the people I have problems with are not liberals. Liberals and moderates could save the Democratic Party if they weren't so spineless.
Instead they sit back and watch the country deteriorate by leftist extremism gone amok.

The O/P is a clear example of that. "moderate" my ass....
I'm more moderate than he is... :lamo
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MSM Hate Machine governs so many peoples lives. I'm big on keeping the TV off most of the day/night. Nothing wrong with staying informed, but when you bury yourself with information overload, that's not good. It effects your emotions, attitude, and puts you in a sour mood.
 
Grandpappy said:
When we call you liberals, we mean people who are blinded by false idealism that isn't workable in the real world, who actually believe the propagandists of the MSM, and who's candidates, if elected, would fundamentally change this country into a second rate world power.

No thanks.
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Everybody calm down. Nobody is evil here. Speaking of domestic politics, conservatives just have more faith in the free market to distribute wealth than liberals do. In foreign policy, liberals have more faith in international institutions than conservatives do. At its worst, that can mean naïveté about how the world works. At conservative's worst, we had the US acting in this hemisphere during the Cold War much like the Soviets did in Eastern Europe.

The US is generally more conservative domestically than other developed countries with the result, in my view, that our income distribution is not as good as elsewhere. That may not bother the right since at its extreme set of beliefs, wealth is associated with virtue, poverty with sloth.

The "false idealism" took hold among in the 1930s and its legislation created the basis for the extraordinary prosperity that followed in the 1940s-50s-60s. The country was fundamentally changed for the better, and the false idealism carried over into the 1960s with civil rights legislation, environmental legislation, protection for women, Medicare/Medicaid, leading to the ACA. The false idealism you deride held sway in the US for decades, and is almost universal among our allies. Conservatives are part of the process, acting as brakes on some of our wierd, unworkable proposals. But even they accept the inevitable, as seen by their efforts to not only repeal Obamacare, but importantly, to replace it with something better.

So, grandpappy, our job is to keep moving forward (the arc of history and all that) and you can perform an important service by telling us which things you believe are unworkable.... Ah, progress!
 
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NeverTrump said:
It's Civility VS Incivility
It's Morals VS Immorality
It's Propaganda VS Facts
It's Fascism VS Democracy
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I agree with this first part, as regarding liberals.

Liberals are far less moral. They want to infringe on the freedoms of others, and promote killing babies. They want to steal from the productive, and give to the unproductive.

They use propaganda instead of facts on a regular basis.

They want to force by law, what they believe is right, imposing their will on others.
 
NeverTrump said:
It's Civility VS Incivility
It's Morals VS Immorality
It's Propaganda VS Facts
It's Fascism VS Democracy

When they call us "liberals" what they really mean to say is that we are civilized people who care about the world and don't think everything is a freaking joke.
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--I don't mind being called a liberal or a lefty.
But they seldom call us "liberals"...they call us snowflakes, libtards, Marxists, communists...

NeverTrump said:
They want to cause chaos, hate, and division.
When they want to attack people for holding different beliefs or looking different than them, it shows their insecurity and immorality.
When they say Fake News, and only listen to Trump or Trump lackeys, that's really propaganda.
When they say America isn't a Democracy, it's a republic, they want it to be run by a tin-foil hat dictator named Trump.
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Yup, see my sig line :)
 
Mycroft said:
It's Trump haters vs normal people
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Basically, yes.

Only someone completely abnormal would look at Trump and think "Yes, there's the man i want leading my country."
 
OrphanSlug said:
Intentionally or not, you are doing something we usually accuse our "conservative" counterparts of doing. Several times over actually.

Calling America a Republic, Constitutional Republic, or Democracy is all argument avoidance and degrading things into splitting hairs. But to your point on that line, a Constitutional Republic has nothing to do with handing control over to a Dictator. No matter how we perceive Trump's behavior we did not just wake up one day and end up with this sort of political division by extremes, nor is this the first time in American history we have seen this.

The bigger hypocrisy is what political division has become, and it is easy to argue the furthest left is just as intolerant as the furthest right. In a very terrible and sad way, that is the point of a political system largely ran by two front running but opposing ideologies. 'With us or against us' is the norm, has been. Attacking the ideology of the opposition is nothing new, and it is absent all reality to assume Trump supporters are in an exclusive group of attacks. We may go through periods where those attacks are more vile than others, but that does not remove conditions that created the issue in the first place. Fascism ends up being the ends of both sides, it is also easy to argue that the left has just as much interest in controlling ideology as their opposition does.

At the end of the day Trump being President in the first place, no matter how vile including his background, was only made possible by the DNC putting up an awful candidate and running a terrible campaign. The division created that allowed the 2016 quagmire was not the exclusive handling of Republicans, no matter how much you go with some idea that it is all the other side causing this political mess.

It is a horrible mistake, and wins no confidence in the votes you need, to pretend division oriented politics is all the doing of the other guy.
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haha. Sure. The DNC electing Hillary, is nothing compared to all the horrible things Trump has let seep into political discourse. The rest of that, is due to Fox News. Nothing on the left compares, except media matters and unhinged celebrities, but they don't create lasting policies or gut government programs. Fox News + Trump is like 1000X worse though.
 
NeverTrump said:
Right vs left are false dichotomies. I like to think most people are more well rounded than that.
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Ask me...ME, not "the leftists"...ME... what MY views are on guns, immigration, English language, trade or capitalism and you might be surprised.
I identify as liberal and tend to associate with the left but I am not a one dimensional being.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
--I don't mind being called a liberal or a lefty.
But they seldom call us "liberals"...they call us snowflakes, libtards, Marxists, communists...



Yup, see my sig line :)
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Well, snowflake absolutely applies to so many of the left I see. Libtard with some as well. Marxist? Maybe not, but Socialists and Communists are among your kind.
 
Jay Falcon said:
Basically, yes.

Only someone completely abnormal would look at Trump and think "Yes, there's the man i want leading my country."
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Reading isn't your strong point, is it?

Dismissed.
 
FinnFox said:
Sanity vs Insanity

AND

Plutocrats vs Other people (money in/out politics)

I wonder why people accept what Moscow Mitch is doing? If people let things be as they are now (not secure next election) and also allow gerrymandering along other silly stuff (like how voting can be harder thing to do for some people). US can't get much respect as long as they can't ensure fair elections and sane policies. But anyway, it's really fun to watch what is happening now, Trump is endless source of silly things and base like to lick Trump's backside all day long - can't get much more fun xD
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Why do people "accept what Moscow Mitch is doing?"
The man is in office until 2020, hopefully no more than 2020, and until then there isn't much people CAN do, unless he gets caught diddling a four year old boy or sneaking forty more kilos of cocaine off one of the ships contracted by his wife's family.

From where you sit in Finland, I am sure it must be entertaining as can be.
By the way, I don't fault or blame you for that position...believe me, there are plenty of times I would almost swap places with you in a heartbeat if I was young enough and healthy enough to pull it off.

But you should know that, from where I sit here in the United States, it is frightening as Hell sometimes.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Why do people "accept what Moscow Mitch is doing?"
The man is in office until 2020, hopefully no more than 2020, and until then there isn't much people CAN do, unless he gets caught diddling a four year old boy or sneaking forty more kilos of cocaine off one of the ships contracted by his wife's family.

From where you sit in Finland, I am sure it must be entertaining as can be.
By the way, I don't fault or blame you for that position...believe me, there are plenty of times I would almost swap places with you in a heartbeat if I was young enough and healthy enough to pull it off.

But you should know that, from where I sit here in the United States, it is frightening as Hell sometimes.
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This might show you how such laughable lies are taken:

McConnell capitalizes on attack with 'Cocaine Mitch' shirts | KIRO-TV

Have any actual evidence, or just partisan allegations?

This is a prime example of the lack of morals by the left. Propagating flat out lies.

Thank-You for you enlightening contribution.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I agree with this first part, as regarding liberals.

Liberals are far less moral. They want to infringe on the freedoms of others, and promote killing babies. They want to steal from the productive, and give to the unproductive.

They use propaganda instead of facts on a regular basis.

They want to force by law, what they believe is right, imposing their will on others.
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/// and promote killing babies //// <----- What an absolutely moronic thing to make a positive claim about. Now try meeting your Burden of Proof to support this crap.
 
Logician Man said:
/// and promote killing babies //// <----- What an absolutely moronic thing to make a positive claim about. Now try meeting your Burden of Proof to support this crap.
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The fight for late term abortions, for starters.

Do you deny this?
 
Linc said:
All Veterans? Better check your sources again. You forgot to mention that this bi-partisan program has been in place for years for TPD Veterans.

DeVos resisted this paperwork change for months. Does this change apply to any partially disabled Veterans? How about the children of Military Personnel KIA? Or children of first-responders KIA?
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Trump Administration to Automatically Forgive Federal Student Loan Debt for Totally and Permanently Disabled Veterans | U.S. Department of Education
 
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