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Trump Train Losing Steam

Thanks for the information but it is evident that Trump's support is beginning to ooze out, especially since he has done nothing since the Tax cut and deregulation that occurred last year. Just look at the stock market that went up because of his election but has now given back almost 50% of what was gained. Traders are no longer as bullish on the market as they were before

Trump's problem is he has never tried to expand his base of support. He has played right to them and to no one else. Outside of his base, Trump isn't liked much. Trump's highest approval mark came on 4 Feb 2017, 46% and he hasn't come close since.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_job_approval-6179.html

Trump pretty much chugs along at around 42% approval and that is probably where he will remain during the rest of his presidency. You won't win many elections with just 42% of the vote. You won't win many elections with over half of all America disliking you either. Unless something changes, I doubt Trump will. Unless something changes I expect 2020 to be another repeat of 2018. The only thing I can foresee that could stop a Democratic take over of the senate, the presidency and perhaps another 20 house seat gain is if the democrats nominate someone once again as disliked by America as a whole or maybe even more than Trump is.

Even so, I don't see Trump winning. Trump is the known commodity in 2020 as Hillary Clinton was the known commodity in 2016. It's Trump with all the baggage in 2020 as Hillary had in 2016. Thinking of it, unless some major unforeseen event happens between now and then, I don't see how the Democrats can lose in 2020.
 
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incredible that you put the Democrats in the category of evil when Trump has proven repeatedly that he is evil by repeatedly cheating on his wives, uncaring about separating children from their mothers without even keeping records of who they are and where they are, debasing anyone and everyone that doesn't agree with him and making decisions based on what is good for him and not what is necessarily good for the country.

You defending him and attacking Democrats that are simply trying to help those that can't help themselves puts you in the same category as Trump

Someone should tell the democrats to stop trying to help everybody and his illegitimate brother with our tax money. That applies especially to those helping terrorist enemies of the US.
 
Someone should tell the democrats to stop trying to help everybody and his illegitimate brother with our tax money. That applies especially to those helping terrorist enemies of the US.

Bottom line is that Trump is the evil one and not the Democrats. You could debate the issue of giving to others with your money (which makes you an uncaring person) but giving means you are on the side of God and not on the side of the Devil. Are you sure you want to be seen as a Devil's minion?
 
Why are you always trying to compare Trump with Obama? Obama is no longer in charge and can't affect us. Trump can and as such, he is the problem that needs to be addressed. In addition solutions are what is needed, not just speculation or expanding knowledge of the problem.

Comparing current to past is the best way to determine what's going on.

Did you know they track statistics in almost every human pursuit?
 
Ridiculous response.

Not quite. Losing stem is slowing down but continuing onward.

A blow out is a complete failure.

You know- the difference between the Trump Administration and the newest Hillary failure.
 
Hopefully Putin doesn't get to have his say this time. Kind of sad that one of the USA's oldest and most powerful enemies got to put their man in as POTUS.

Watching Putin cuckold Trump in Helsinki was a sorrowful sight.

Almost as sorrowful as watching Obama promise to give Putin a Lewinski after his last election when he'd have more flexibility.

Following Obama's increased flexibility with "Vladimir", the Russians attempted to influence our elections.

What was Obama doing during the election process to stop the Russian interference?
 
The only way he could possibly win is a repeat of last time:

The Dems will have to once again put up someone almost as unpopular as him and that person fails to campaign in key swing districts; meanwhile his scandals get buried at the last minute, the Russian troll farm succeeds in fooling everyone a second time, the opponent faces a last minute FBI scandal or similar and voter turnout is considerably lower than in 2012. And and top of that at least as many people have to buy Trump's BS again, then he has to cobble together a few lucky electoral college slots while losing the popular vote by several million. On top of that he has to avoid impeachment, removal, quitting in disgrace, being primaried out or going to prison until then.

Yes it can happen, but the chances of the same fluke happening twice aren't great.

Why must a Republican win be a fluke?

True, Trump did do it in a very unique way. As with most successful businesses, he did more with less.

Hillary, as a product of the government way of doing things, did less with more.

The much publicized Russian interference was comprised of what? A half a million dollars of advertising? In an American Presidential campaign, that's a slow Tuesday afternoon.

C'mon, man!
 
Nice to see you think Hillary is a better human being than trump!

I don't think she's much better.

I voted against him mainly because he embodies every asshole preppie kid I had to deal with in school.

Vengeance by proxy.

Well, the jury's out on his final grades continuing the preppy analogy.

If he succeeds in his attempt to square up the trade deals and it helps the economy, that will be a big win.

If everything crumbles and the world falls into an irreconcilable depression due to his efforts, that will be a big loss.

Either way, he rarely does nothing. Good or bad, there seems to be a lot of action resulting from the actions of Trump.
 
Comparing current to past is the best way to determine what's going on.

Ridiculous response. We do not need to know what is going on. We know full well what is going on and it is all bad!

Did you know they track statistics in almost every human pursuit?

What does his have to do with the problem?
 
Not sure I know what a Trump Train is myself but will take a crack at it.

Trump was elected on a wave of "populism". Populism is not a political movement, its not a political initiative. There are no political principles embodied in populism and it has regularly yielded our worst leaders.

Populism is nothing more than a voting incentive which is also why it so often turns to a "celebrity". Populism is the embodiment of the common man, the Regular Joe's if you will reacting to what is seen as the cards being stacked against them. The target this time around has been the so-called elitists and this particular version was born in the Wall St Financial Disaster of the 2006-2009 period. This time around, the Regular Joe's calculated that the behavior of the "elitists" was so heinous as it related to their involvement in the Financial Disaster that it represented the Last Straw if you will.

Unfortunately, Regular Joe Americans do not understand the financial structure that underpins this economy. They don't for example understand that Wall St will always end up at excess. Wall St will always take what might be a good idea and simply abuse it to the point where it becomes a bad implementation. It is destiny itself. That is why deregulating the financial markets in this country is such a bad idea 99% of the time. The absolute only time that deregulating the financial markets in this country makes sense is if money is getting tight and you can trace that factor in lending to excess regulation. Other than that one phenomenon, deregulating the financial markets makes no sense and simply represents an invitation for the Regular Joes to be abused again!

So in this instance, this binge of Populism arose out of the excesses of the so called "Wall St Elitists" combined with Government's inability to punish them.

Yes, Wall St's involvement in the financial crisis of the first decade of the 21st Century should not have occurred. But it was not criminal. If we had for example chosen to sate our anger in such a way that we did not save the financial markets, we would have caved the entire US Economy and that is not an overstatement. Caving the entire US Economy would have very likely caved the entire World Economy and that is not an overstatement either.

So, back to Populism and what it is and what it is not and how it has played into where we are:
1) The idea that you elect the most excessive and corrupt example of what you are angry about to "solve the problem" is absurd on its face. Lets not kid ourselves here folks. Anybody who cared to look would have needed to do nothing more than scratch the surface and would have found Trump's excessive corruption, grifting, graft and dirty dealing in all of its full flower. Lets not get into another wave of false equivalency. Trump represents corruption, grifting, graft and criminality on a scale that should have immediately removed him from consideration. We from the tri-states tried to warn the rest of you and you would not listen. Great example of the absurdity of this particular remedy:So what has the champion of the Regular Joes done...deregulated in the financial markets! So there goes your champion directly contradicting your needs.

2) Accepting and rationalizing Trump's outright corruption, grifting, graft and criminality because you are "angry" solves nothing. Again, Populism is at its heart the voice of anger. It is not the voice of reason and it also tends to look for a quick fix and that tends to embody itself in some one person (a celebrity) who is going to "solve" this for us. If anything the Populist position is that the elitists are robbing me blind, are out of control. Therefore anything I do or that we do that is also "out of control" is justified. Well if your position is that the Elites are out of control, therefore your out of control response is justified, you are simply pushing us farther on the path to anarchy which is no solution to anything. Anarchy would be the drop into the abyss though there are those that simply believe that a drop into the abyss would suit them just fine. I suspect a good 30-40% of Trump's base are there or close to there.

So, if you are calling the Trump Train, the wave of populism that took hold and drove him past a most unpopular candidate in Hillary, I get that. If the point of the thread is that "The Trump Train" is slowing, grudgingly giving ground. I get that and would agree with it. The lesson in that is that a populist surge will never give ground quickly. You are asking them to give up on the embodiment of their anger which is their candidate, their champion. The mistake was in not dealing with Trump right from the start, a mistake exacerbated by American's unwillingness to come to terms with the responsibility handed us by the Founders in constructing a Constitutional Republic.

Now do we understand why the results of populism look so much like cultism?
 
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Trump makes Bill Clinton look like a choirboy and Hillary look like Mary Poppins.

The portrayal of Trump by our media creates that impression, not the real world reality.

Have you ever wondered why every Republican President is described by our press as stupid and dishonest while every Democrat President is portrayed as intelligent and pure?

THEN, years later, the Republicans, after death, are anointed as both intelligent and respectable. No real change, obviously, since they have left office, but the portrayal is different based on nothing other than party affiliation.

Seems almost like there might be a concerted media campaign to undermine Republicans while they occupy the office. Hmmm...
 
Well the so-called leader in the white house now is neither effective or a better person. He's in the pocket of Putin and Russian money.

B. Clinton was a choirboy compared to trump and 10 times the pres. without being the scum trump is and not only

created 22 million jobs while balancing 3 budgets and paid off debt. He left W a good economy but true to repub...had to rape it.

And half a mill is peanuts. Reagan got $2 million for a speech and that was 1989 or 90 IIRC. 6 repub senators went to Moscow

around this July 4th of all dates. Why ? Lining up speeches ?

Oh how the republican brand is now irrevocably heading down the path of the Whigs, into the dustbin of history.

Example: NO evidence, I repeat NO evidence oh but...but: That’s the question raised in the forthcoming book Clinton Cash by author and political consultant Peter Schweizer. On the Sunday shows, Schweizer said that while his research uncovered no proof of a quid pro quo between foreign interests and the 2016 Democratic frontrunner, the evidence does suggest a troubling trend.

The evidence on that standard is that the repubs have almost killed America and has been their 'troubling trend'

since 1980.

Troubling trend my ass. Again, just as in Clinton's trial by the right, and all of 6 years and $60 million got nothing

and the right just gives this guy a pass and the left well now. I mean trump may have conflicts of interest up the ass

and just may be a criminal. But hey, at least there is no troubling trend here. [sic]

I could never imagine even close to 50 million people in America being complete absolute hypocritical godless morons.

You seem to really, really hate Trump.

Your boy Clinton was in office while the .com revolution was unfolding to the benefit of us all. He didn't anticipate this and was as surprised as anyone when the budget balanced much earlier than he had projected.

Bill was responsible for the great economy, but the Bill in question was Gates. Clinton did what needed to be done to help. His contribution was to do absolutely nothing. Same as Eisenhower in the 50's.

Will Trump's policies be good or bad for the country? The Jury is out. We should know something very soon. If the China negotiations work out well, that's good. If not, disaster.

Next year at this time, if we have a robust trade arrangement restored with protections for international intellectual property, that's good.

If we find instead a world wide depression with growing unemployment, that's bad.

The trouble with high risk-high reward moves is that there is high risk. This has been trump's whole life. It's what he does.

In this case, he's doing it at the peak of the economic boom. For him politically, this is VERY high risk. He's doing the right thing at the best time available to him, though.

If Obama had done anything about the China trade problems, the risk might be so great at this time.

Where Obama shirked, Trump worked. Can he pull it off? Time will tell. At least he's trying.
 
Do you not understand the meaning of the words "lose steam"? Obviously not, because you would not have asked this question if you did.


Definition of lose steam



informal


: to lose strength, force, or energy : to slow down
//Sales have lost steam in recent weeks.


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lose%20steam

The question that closed the post was this:

"Simply stated, Trump is losing support and therefore is likely too lose the 2020 election."

That is why I asked, "Lose to whom".

Losing an election implies that there is someone to lose the election to. Ergo, my question.
 
The question that closed the post was this:

"Simply stated, Trump is losing support and therefore is likely too lose the 2020 election."

That is why I asked, "Lose to whom".

Losing an election implies that there is someone to lose the election to. Ergo, my question.

At this point, Space Dog could probably beat him by 100 electoral votes.
 
The portrayal of Trump by our media creates that impression, not the real world reality.

Have you ever wondered why every Republican President is described by our press as stupid and dishonest while every Democrat President is portrayed as intelligent and pure?

THEN, years later, the Republicans, after death, are anointed as both intelligent and respectable. No real change, obviously, since they have left office, but the portrayal is different based on nothing other than party affiliation.

Seems almost like there might be a concerted media campaign to undermine Republicans while they occupy the office. Hmmm...

You are living in a world of your own making.
 
You seem to really, really hate Trump.

Your boy Clinton was in office while the .com revolution was unfolding to the benefit of us all. He didn't anticipate this and was as surprised as anyone when the budget balanced much earlier than he had projected.

Bill was responsible for the great economy, but the Bill in question was Gates. Clinton did what needed to be done to help. His contribution was to do absolutely nothing. Same as Eisenhower in the 50's.

Will Trump's policies be good or bad for the country? The Jury is out. We should know something very soon. If the China negotiations work out well, that's good. If not, disaster.

Next year at this time, if we have a robust trade arrangement restored with protections for international intellectual property, that's good.

If we find instead a world wide depression with growing unemployment, that's bad.

The trouble with high risk-high reward moves is that there is high risk. This has been trump's whole life. It's what he does.

In this case, he's doing it at the peak of the economic boom. For him politically, this is VERY high risk. He's doing the right thing at the best time available to him, though.

If Obama had done anything about the China trade problems, the risk might be so great at this time.

Where Obama shirked, Trump worked. Can he pull it off? Time will tell. At least he's trying.

Trump is incompetent and stupid about anything else that is not Real Estate and even then it is a 50-50 chance of a loss.
 
The question that closed the post was this:

"Simply stated, Trump is losing support and therefore is likely too lose the 2020 election."

That is why I asked, "Lose to whom".

Losing an election implies that there is someone to lose the election to. Ergo, my question.

He will lose to anyone that runs against him. Even Goofy would now win an election against Trump
 
Why must a Republican win be a fluke?

True, Trump did do it in a very unique way. As with most successful businesses, he did more with less.

Hillary, as a product of the government way of doing things, did less with more.

And that more or less sums up what I mean by fluke. The Trump campaign was more efficient and had some luck in a weakened, and less efficient, opponent. Moreover help from Russian sources, a willingness to say the things nobody else would dare and scandals that hobbled his opponent all helped. It was, as you mentioned, a unique set of circumstances. That is what makes it a kind of a fluke.

Bear in mind doing 'more with less' also means they won with 3 million fewer actual votes than their opposition. Now as described above conditions were unique enough for an outlier to scrap his way into the presidency.

The fluke part is that a very similar set of unique conditions has to come together for him to do it again. It is not impossible - I wouldn't underestimate trump a second time after seeing him win once - but as with the first time, the odds won't be in his favor and he'll have to beat the odds again.
 
The question that closed the post was this:

"Simply stated, Trump is losing support and therefore is likely too lose the 2020 election."

That is why I asked, "Lose to whom".

Losing an election implies that there is someone to lose the election to. Ergo, my question.

That is a valid question. If the Dems front a candidate as uninspiring as Clinton again, that improves Trump's chances of winning. Perhaps more so than anything else:

If there's a disaster, we've already seen he can't handle one so the 'stability' voters normally seek won't be there in the current president. If Russia interferes, America is much wiser to it this time and they probably can't pull the same tricks again to such effect (though the red-hat brigade will be all on board with every meme and false story). If the economy improves it might give him a boost as all presidents cop the applause and the blame for changes they may or may not have had much to do with.

But the biggest factor is what do the Democrats have to throw at him?
 
Ridiculous response. We do not need to know what is going on. We know full well what is going on and it is all bad!



What does his have to do with the problem?

Are you seriously saying that you never consider past performance to assess possibilities for the future?
 
Trump is incompetent and stupid about anything else that is not Real Estate and even then it is a 50-50 chance of a loss.

You have very strong opinions and about nothing to support them.

Why?
 
He will lose to anyone that runs against him. Even Goofy would now win an election against Trump

Goofy, Pocahontas, Spartacus...

Shouldn't be a problem for you then.
 
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