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Why Americans don't do anything about mass shootings[W:465]

Casper said:
Or sitting in you car, living room, local park or about any other place criminals haunt.
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Yep the US has a bloodbath of gun violence going on. We need real gun control
 
Back at ya��
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
In America, we are free to stockpile weapons. We are free to order ammo online. We are free to outfit our guns with bump stocks, like the Vegas shooter did. This is the price we pay for freedom, alright. The freedom to not give a damn.

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Is the comment about "The freedom to not give a damn." COMPLETELY off base?​
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Even in prison, where almost all rights and freedoms are taken away, people are murdered, assaulted, and otherwise have their person violated unlawfully by another. The reality is, and I have to repeat this so very often, the entity that is responsible for the most heinous acts on truly grand scales have been at the hands of governments, not the individual. Yet people want to put the monopoly of power into the hands of that entity.

I deem those people to be ignorant of history.

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Fishking said:
Even in prison, where almost all rights and freedoms are taken away, people are murdered, assaulted, and otherwise have their person violated unlawfully by another. The reality is, and I have to repeat this so very often, the entity that is responsible for the most heinous acts on truly grand scales have been at the hands of governments, not the individual. Yet people want to put the monopoly of power into the hands of that entity.

I deem those people to be ignorant of history.

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You personally sacrifice freedom for safety every day
 
<alt>doxygen said:
I was responding to the thread, not your post.

I don't recall ever advocating restricting the rights/freedoms of all based on the actions of a few. The point was that the people who can't act responsibly may find themselves losing some freedom(s).
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Which is why they end up in jail or dead as a consequence to their actions.
 
vegas giants said:
Total and complete nonsense
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Wrong. I already told you this. You're only continuing to lie to yourself. One day you'll admit you want all guns banned.
 
Fishking said:
Wrong. I already told you this. You're only continuing to lie to yourself. One day you'll admit you want all guns banned.
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Total and complete nonsense
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
From CNN

Why Americans don't do anything about mass shootings
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In October, 2017, the worst mass shooting in US history took place at a country music concert in Las Vegas. Fifty-eight people were killed and more than 500 people injured. Bill O'Reilly boiled the massacre down to six words: "This is the price of freedom."

I hate to say it, but he is right. Sunday, just 34 days after Vegas, 26 people were gunned down and about 20 others were wounded during a church service in Texas. And here's what is really sick -- we won't be surprised when there's another mass shooting next month. Maybe it'll be your church, your mall, your concert or your movie theater. That's the price of freedom.


In America, we are free to stockpile weapons. We are free to order ammo online. We are free to outfit our guns with bump stocks, like the Vegas shooter did. This is the price we pay for freedom, alright. The freedom to not give a damn.

COMMENT:-

Is the comment about "The freedom to not give a damn." COMPLETELY off base?​
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Is it guns or is it a change in our society? Is guns the problem or has something happened to our society? Is the reason or the cause of these mass shootings guns or is there a deeper reason, a cause hidden in our society today?

Let's divide this into two eras, the pre-gun control era and the gun control era. How about 1900-1970 and then 1970 till today. 1900-1970 there was little to no gun control. About the only law I can think of is that one had to have a federal permit to own a machine gun which I think was passed in the 1930's. I grew up in the 1950's when there was no registration, no back ground checks, where I at the age of 12 or 13 having been given a .410 by my dad could ride my bike into town and buy shells for it at the local Western Auto. There was one mass shooting for that entire decade.

Back to the stats. From 1900-1970 there were 28 mass shootings. 17 of those occurred during the Al Capone gangster era. From 1970 onward, there has been around 150 and still counting. Now it seems to me if the answer was gun control that the number of mass shootings should be decreasing, not increasing.

Mass Shootings in America: A Historical Review | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

I personally think the problem is much deeper than just gun control or even the banning of all firearms. I know, quite a lot of people don't want to hear that. They are looking for an easy fix, an easy answer, a feel good option. Gun control doesn't take care of the first two, but falls into number three.

I think we're afraid to delve deep into our society to find the root cause, the reasons for these mass killings. We're totally afraid of what we might find, where we let our society go wrong. We're scared to death that the answer to mass killing is what we let society become. Guns are nothing more than a tool, a deadly one for sure, but a tool used to accomplish an end. If we leave the reasons, the causes in place even if we take guns away, the tool will change. The change in tools may be less deadly, it could be more deadly.

Why are we so afraid to look deep into our society to find out what went wrong? Why in an era of no gun control there wasn't many mass shootings, but we now have them by the ton? Check out the trends in the link above. At one time mass shootings were familicides and felony related. The killer knew whom he was killing or in an act of a crime, Al Capone style. Today, mass shootings are in public places against unknown innocent bystanders. Killing for killing sake. The shooter doesn't know whom he is killing. Just think about it.
 
Terryj said:
You must be a very fearful person, there is a firearm behind every blade of grass and behind every tree, all of them pointing at you, you must be terrified to go out in public.
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I guess you just don't like kids
 
vegas giants said:
Your plan is not working
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My "plan" is to have vigilant law enforcement which includes pro-active measures when you have someone like Cruz who obviously should have been taken off the street well in advance. Making schools much more impenetrable is a big part of the answer. We have 100,000 or so public schools. We have 300 million guns. Do the math.
 
veritas1 said:
My "plan" is to have vigilant law enforcement which includes pro-active measures when you have someone like Cruz who obviously should have been taken off the street well in advance. Making schools much more impenetrable is a big part of the answer. We have 100,000 or so public schools. We have 300 million guns. Do the math.
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Yeah your plan is not currently working in any country on planet earth but you want to bet our kids lives on it while there is a plan that works all over the developed world
 
Perotista said:
Is it guns or is it a change in our society? Is guns the problem or has something happened to our society? Is the reason or the cause of these mass shootings guns or is there a deeper reason, a cause hidden in our society today?

Let's divide this into two eras, the pre-gun control era and the gun control era. How about 1900-1970 and then 1970 till today. 1900-1970 there was little to no gun control. About the only law I can think of is that one had to have a federal permit to own a machine gun which I think was passed in the 1930's. I grew up in the 1950's when there was no registration, no back ground checks, where I at the age of 12 or 13 having been given a .410 by my dad could ride my bike into town and buy shells for it at the local Western Auto. There was one mass shooting for that entire decade.

Back to the stats. From 1900-1970 there were 28 mass shootings. 17 of those occurred during the Al Capone gangster era. From 1970 onward, there has been around 150 and still counting. Now it seems to me if the answer was gun control that the number of mass shootings should be decreasing, not increasing.

Mass Shootings in America: A Historical Review | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

I personally think the problem is much deeper than just gun control or even the banning of all firearms. I know, quite a lot of people don't want to hear that. They are looking for an easy fix, an easy answer, a feel good option. Gun control doesn't take care of the first two, but falls into number three.

I think we're afraid to delve deep into our society to find the root cause, the reasons for these mass killings. We're totally afraid of what we might find, where we let our society go wrong. We're scared to death that the answer to mass killing is what we let society become. Guns are nothing more than a tool, a deadly one for sure, but a tool used to accomplish an end. If we leave the reasons, the causes in place even if we take guns away, the tool will change. The change in tools may be less deadly, it could be more deadly.

Why are we so afraid to look deep into our society to find out what went wrong? Why in an era of no gun control there wasn't many mass shootings, but we now have them by the ton? Check out the trends in the link above. At one time mass shootings were familicides and felony related. The killer knew whom he was killing or in an act of a crime, Al Capone style. Today, mass shootings are in public places against unknown innocent bystanders. Killing for killing sake. The shooter doesn't know whom he is killing. Just think about it.
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Gun grabbers never like to be confused with facts or common sense.
 
Perotista said:
Is it guns or is it a change in our society? Is guns the problem or has something happened to our society? Is the reason or the cause of these mass shootings guns or is there a deeper reason, a cause hidden in our society today?

Let's divide this into two eras, the pre-gun control era and the gun control era. How about 1900-1970 and then 1970 till today. 1900-1970 there was little to no gun control. About the only law I can think of is that one had to have a federal permit to own a machine gun which I think was passed in the 1930's. I grew up in the 1950's when there was no registration, no back ground checks, where I at the age of 12 or 13 having been given a .410 by my dad could ride my bike into town and buy shells for it at the local Western Auto. There was one mass shooting for that entire decade.

Back to the stats. From 1900-1970 there were 28 mass shootings. 17 of those occurred during the Al Capone gangster era. From 1970 onward, there has been around 150 and still counting. Now it seems to me if the answer was gun control that the number of mass shootings should be decreasing, not increasing.

Mass Shootings in America: A Historical Review | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

I personally think the problem is much deeper than just gun control or even the banning of all firearms. I know, quite a lot of people don't want to hear that. They are looking for an easy fix, an easy answer, a feel good option. Gun control doesn't take care of the first two, but falls into number three.

I think we're afraid to delve deep into our society to find the root cause, the reasons for these mass killings. We're totally afraid of what we might find, where we let our society go wrong. We're scared to death that the answer to mass killing is what we let society become. Guns are nothing more than a tool, a deadly one for sure, but a tool used to accomplish an end. If we leave the reasons, the causes in place even if we take guns away, the tool will change. The change in tools may be less deadly, it could be more deadly.

Why are we so afraid to look deep into our society to find out what went wrong? Why in an era of no gun control there wasn't many mass shootings, but we now have them by the ton? Check out the trends in the link above. At one time mass shootings were familicides and felony related. The killer knew whom he was killing or in an act of a crime, Al Capone style. Today, mass shootings are in public places against unknown innocent bystanders. Killing for killing sake. The shooter doesn't know whom he is killing. Just think about it.
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My god the rest of the developed world has figured out how to reduce gun violence. What are we waiting for?
 
vegas giants said:
Yeah your plan is not currently working in any country on planet earth but you want to bet our kids lives on it while there is a plan that works all over the developed world
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You have no plan. Your plan is a fairy tale. Gun confiscation will NEVER happen. So, you better get used to it and start thinking about what can actually work.
 
veritas1 said:
You have no plan. Your plan is a fairy tale. Gun confiscation will NEVER happen. So, you better get used to it and start thinking about what can actually work.
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Gun confiscation is not required. Canada has tons of guns. So do lots of other developed countries. They just don't have our gun deaths.

The answer is right in front of you. And they laugh at turning schools in fortresses
 
vegas giants said:
Gun confiscation is not required. Canada has tons of guns. So do lots of other developed countries. They just don't have our gun deaths.

The answer is right in front of you. And they laugh at turning schools in fortresses
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Yea, what's the "answer" then? Let's have it.
 
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