Why Americans don't do anything about mass shootings[W:465]

[veritas1]

Then you don't care about what works. That is just the stone cold truth

You've presented nothing that can work, nothing at all. We already have pretty extensive background checks but if people don't have complete data or fail to act on the information they have, then there is no way to stop people from purchasing weapons. I asked you before how we're supposed to register weapons that nobody knows about. I notice that you've avoided answering it. You'd rather throw out cliches and run down the character of people pointing out the weakness of your ideas.

 

[vegas giants]

So we have a 5,000$ device that can zoom out of a box and witness the shooter within 10 seconds, and then the controllers can see a gun and innocent people being shot at, so they crash the drone into the shooters head. And you are gonna laugh at it? You obviously dont want solutions.

How about instead of paying Principals 80 grand a year and letting the school play with money how they see fit and paying resource officers 100 grand a year we can just by one 5,000$ drone? It cant be that hard to fly it into the shooters head and save everyones life. Id be willing to sacrifice a 5,000$ drone to save 1 life. I guess not you tho.

I think it is brillant buddy. You should go with this. Get Trump to back it. LOL

 

[Bullseye]

Then you don't care about what works. That is just the stone cold truth

Sorry, wrong. when "what works" requires confiscating guns, I'd rather not. Nothing you've proposed less than confiscation, will make one iota of difference. Mass shooters have historically used legally obtained guns, including passing background checks. The hundreds of thousand of gang members and other criminals out there aren't going to take a training class or register their guns. Your "solutions" are just meaningless mantras.

 

[veritas1]

Of course it could have. So could a dozen other laws. Your plan works nowhere on earth. Mine works in a dozen different countries

Please enlighten us on how registration would have stopped Cruz. If he could buy a gun, he could register a gun which means he could use a gun. Is this complicated?

 

[vegas giants]

You've presented nothing that can work, nothing at all. We already have pretty extensive background checks but if people don't have complete data or fail to act on the information they have, then there is no way to stop people from purchasing weapons. I asked you before how we're supposed to register weapons that nobody knows about. I notice that you've avoided answering it. You'd rather throw out cliches and run down the character of people pointing out the weakness of your ideas.

If someone wants to not register their gun and risk a prison sentence they will. But almost everyone will register their gun eventually. The goal is harm reduction not harm elimination. But for some the goal is to keep things exactly the way they are and just move the deck chairs around on the titanic a little to make it look like you are doing something. That is unacceptable. Our children deserve better

 

[vegas giants]

Please enlighten us on how registration would have stopped Cruz. If he could buy a gun, he could register a gun which means he could use a gun. Is this complicated?

He can not register it without a license. Did he complete the mandatory training (he would probably not it thru the first day)? Most of these morons are lazy and stupid....which is why they do what they do. This stuff works....just open your eyes and look all over the world

 

[veritas1]

If someone wants to not register their gun and risk a prison sentence they will. But almost everyone will register their gun eventually. The goal is harm reduction not harm elimination. But for some the goal is to keep things exactly the way they are and just move the deck chairs around on the titanic a little to make it look like you are doing something. That is unacceptable. Our children deserve better

You do realize that there are probably millions of guns that the government has no records of, right? So, how are you going to put those people in prison when you have no idea who they are? Like I said, dead in the water. Also, suppose that someone registers his gun. How does that keep him from becoming a school shooter? You simply have no solution, just feel good talking points.

 

[vegas giants]

You do realize that there are probably millions of guns that the government has no records of, right? So, how are you going to put those people in prison when you have no idea who they are? Like I said, dead in the water. Also, suppose that someone registers his gun. How does that keep him from becoming a school shooter? You simply have no solution, just feel good talking points.

Why would we put them in prison? If they choose to break the law they can roll the dice but if they are ever found with a unregistered gun they can also go to jail. Most would register their guns. These countries do this stuff for a reason.....IT WORKS

 

[veritas1]

Why would we put them in prison? If they choose to break the law they can roll the dice but if they are ever found with a unregistered gun they can also go to jail. Most would register their guns. These countries do this stuff for a reason.....IT WORKS

Nonsense. They might only be found with an unregistered gun after they shoot up a school, kill a store clerk or mug a pedestrian. Even the people who register their guns can go berserk. It stops nothing.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Sorry, wrong. when "what works" requires confiscating guns, I'd rather not. Nothing you've proposed less than confiscation, will make one iota of difference. Mass shooters have historically used legally obtained guns, including passing background checks. The hundreds of thousand of gang members and other criminals out there aren't going to take a training class or register their guns. Your "solutions" are just meaningless mantras.

And yet, that is what you advocated when you backed AZ Dems proposal for restricting those with mental issues from having guns.

 

[Terryj]

NOTHING is a non starter. We already have registration at the federal level. We just need to expand it. You have nothing to offer the parents of these murdered children but texpanded thoughts and prayers and turning schools into fortresses. It borders on criminal

It is a non-starter, how do you get people to register their firearm if they choose not to? How many of the 300 million firearm in the United States are not registered? You are advocating the removal of the 2nd amendment so now are you going to advocate the removal of the 4th amendment so enforcement agencies can enter your home and check for firearms that are not registered.

 

[veritas1]

And yet, that is what you advocated when you backed AZ Dems proposal for restricting those with mental issues from having guns.

You cannot confiscate what somebody doesn't have. What should be the mental health requirement for owning weapons? That's an issue we need to resolve.

 

[veritas1]

It is a non-starter, how do you get people to register their firearm if they choose not to? How many of the 300 million firearm in the United States are not registered? You are advocating the removal of the 2nd amendment so now are you going to advocate the removal of the 4th amendment so enforcement agencies can enter your home and check for firearms that are not registered.

Even if every gun were registered, it doesn't stop mass shootings. But it is a requirement for mass confiscation. Maybe that's why liberals like it so much.

 

[vegas giants]

Even if every gun were registered, it doesn't stop mass shootings. But it is a requirement for mass confiscation. Maybe that's why liberals like it so much.

It sure seems to work in every other developed country on the planet. But the NRA hates it which is why conservatives hate it.

 

[Terryj]

You cannot confiscate what somebody doesn't have. What should be the mental health requirement for owning weapons? That's an issue we need to resolve.

Correct, and just who is going to do the mental health assessment?

 

[Bullseye]

Of course it could have. So could a dozen other laws. Your plan works nowhere on earth. Mine works in a dozen different countries

You assume all countrys' cultures, values, and societies are identical and therefore the only difference is gun laws. There is not a valid assumption.

 

[vegas giants]

It is a non-starter, how do you get people to register their firearm if they choose not to? How many of the 300 million firearm in the United States are not registered? You are advocating the removal of the 2nd amendment so now are you going to advocate the removal of the 4th amendment so enforcement agencies can enter your home and check for firearms that are not registered.

They can choose now not to register guns in places where registration is already required. Most will do it. If registration already exists in some places....even at the federal level...how can it be unconstitutional?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

You cannot confiscate what somebody doesn't have.

Bulls presumption is that "they" do have a weapon to confiscate.

 

[vegas giants]

You assume all countrys' cultures, values, and societies are identical and therefore the only difference is gun laws. There is not a valid assumption.

I actually assume the opposite. Are these countries all identical

Canada, France, Sweden, Germany, the UK, australia, New Zealand, Japan....etc. Yet gun control works in all of them

 

[vegas giants]

Correct, and just who is going to do the mental health assessment?

We call them psychiatrists and psychologists

 

[vegas giants]

Nonsense. They might only be found with an unregistered gun after they shoot up a school, kill a store clerk or mug a pedestrian. Even the people who register their guns can go berserk. It stops nothing.

And yet it sure seems to in every developed country on the planet. Oh I know.....its a huge coincidence. LOL

 

[veritas1]

It sure seems to work in every other developed country on the planet. But the NRA hates it which is why conservatives hate it.

No, most other developed countries have either confiscated their citizen's weapons or have small populations that cannot be compared to the US. You have manifestly failed to show how registration stops mass shootings. You have failed because it in no way can stop them.

 

[trixare4kids]

Perhaps the rest of the world has figured out the deep rooted problem. The problem rest with more than just guns. Perhaps it mental, perhaps something else. I don't know. Right now we have kids and mass killers killing for killing sake. They don't know whom they are killing for the most part, they don't care. Almost all the media attention is on guns, but gas and a matched killed 87 I believe in Brooklyn. Our deadlist school killings was a result of a bomb, dynamite.

I think we need to find out why people are doing these things. We used to call mass shootings going postal. But they knew whom they were killing. Big difference today. Gun control may indeed be part of the solution, but it isn't the answer. Gun control is like having a patient with a brain tumor who has a high fever. We give the patient aspirin (gun control) to cure the fever. The fever goes away, but it will return because the cause, the reason for the fever, the brain tumor hasn't been addressed. It really hasn't been sought or looked for. So we continue to pump aspirin or gun control leaving the reasons, the causes, the root problem in place.

You're so right... everything else the "sensible gun control" crowd proposes are just feel-good band-aid solutions. The key is to find out why young white disgruntled boys and men are resorting to gun violence and getting to them before they pick up that gun.

 

[Terryj]

It sure seems to work in every other developed country on the planet. But the NRA hates it which is why conservatives hate it.

You keep quoting is mantra, your refer to Canada, Australia and Europe, what you fail to realize is that the United States has a population of 320 million, California has the same population as Canada, 40 million. California has twice the population of Australia. Neither of these two countries have in their constitutions "the right to bear arms".

Your idea of jailing people who exercise their 2nd amendment rights is laughable.

 

[veritas1]

And yet it sure seems to in every developed country on the planet. Oh I know.....its a huge coincidence. LOL

Keep repeating your clownish mantra without answering the questions. That's sure to convince everyone.:lol: