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Democratic impeachment calls swell as McGahn defies subpoena

poweRob said:
You don't agree with me. You just want the same thing for very different reasons. You agree more with Pelosi. You want things to be done because polls currently tell you to think that way.
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True.

Regardless, I encourage the House to move ahead with Impeachment of the President of the United States. They should do so immediately.
 
poweRob said:
I don't think approaching this is or should be an election issue. The strategizing around elections is getting in the way of following the constitution.
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I disagree. Does it make any sense for Democrats to lose in 2020, but be able to say "But at least we impeached the bastard"? :mrgreen:
 
danarhea said:
I disagree. Does it make any sense for Democrats to lose in 2020, but be able to say "But at least we impeached the bastard"? :mrgreen:
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Going with polls of today to predict THE poll in November 2020 outcome is not a very strong approach. Impeachment will start the blocking of all of trumps obstruction. And investigations could actually flow rather than fight in the courts nonstop.
 
Carleen said:
The precedents that the Trump admin are setting will harm the constitution for future presidents regardless of their party.
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That's nothing compared to the harm he's doing to Congress! (Ostensibly the People)
 
poweRob said:
Going with polls of today to predict THE poll in November 2020 outcome is not a very strong approach. Impeachment will start the blocking of all of trumps obstruction. And investigations could actually flow rather than fight in the courts nonstop.
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I don't think it will. Democrats haven't read Machiavelli. Republicans have, and have been ruthlessly following that playbook for quite a while. In fact, I strongly believe that someone needs to write a forward to The Prince which reads "Machiavelli - Butt ****ing Democrats for decades".
 
ocean515 said:
True.

Regardless, I encourage the House to move ahead with Impeachment of the President of the United States. They should do so immediately.
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Crystal said:
Let’s get on with it.
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The impeachment process BEGINS with investigation. One that Trump can't mire down in the courts near as easily.

This republican Br'er Rabbit approach is what will actually backfire.
 
Chomsky said:
I don't know what to say, here. Trump clearly seems to be asking for it. It's getting kinda' hard not to oblige him.

It might be best to start the investigative hearings, and see where they go.
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How is Trump "asking for it" by not complying with abuse of power and trying to exert authority in areas in which they don't have any?
 
poweRob said:
The impeachment process BEGINS with investigation. One that Trump can't mire down in the courts near as easily.

This republican Br'er Rabbit approach is what will actually backfire.
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You have had nearly three years of investigation. Get on with it.
 
Crystal said:
You have had nearly three years of investigation. Get on with it.
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We have nearly three years of obstruction. I hope like hell we do get on with it.
 
haymarket said:
I suspect, in the end, the Democrats will indeed declare an investigation to impeach but will NOT vote formally to send the charges of impeachment to the Senate to avoid being being summarily acquitted by the Republican dominated Senate. They will say it is up to the American people to examine the charges and they are the jury.
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In other words, they will abandon their responsibilities and make their efforts more obviously political and partisan.
 
poweRob said:
We have nearly three years of obstruction. I hope like hell we do get on with it.
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Wrong. Three years of investigation. It’s called the Mueller report. Ever hear of it? Now get on with your impeachment.
 
danarhea said:
Impeachment is a dead end. The Senate would never convict him. If Democrats go down that road, they could lose again. Their road to victory should be the issues, but as we all know, Democrats are masters at pulling defeat out of the jaws of victory. LOL.
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Agree.

Impeaching him will just become a martyr victim.

Instead leave him there for the Republicans to deal with. In 2020 he will be the oldest-ever presidential nominee on a major party ticket. What mental facilities he has will continue to deteriorate.
 
poweRob said:
The impeachment process BEGINS with investigation. One that Trump can't mire down in the courts near as easily.

This republican Br'er Rabbit approach is what will actually backfire.
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True. However, the investigation can't be done in violation of a citizen's Constitutional rights.
 
poweRob said:
She is reading polls instead of doing her job in this aspect.
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During her lucid moments, she realizes that "path to impeachment" is in fact "path to losing 2020" for Democrats
 
when it's impossible to convict in the Senate, impeachment attempts seem like a bad idea. he has to be defeated at the polls before anything will stick.
 
Acadia said:
I think the American people are already sick and tired of investigations and already know how they're going to vote.
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The vote will be decided by the 10% in the middle. So you are probably 90% right.
 
Athanasius68 said:
In other words, they will abandon their responsibilities and make their efforts more obviously political and partisan.
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Trump has been both political and partisan from Day One.
 
poweRob said:
It would would result in a less obstructed investigation and adhere to the constitution rather than he current dem leadership option of, "let's just ignore the law and let this ride because polls tell us to ignore the law will help us in 2020."
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You sound just like the Republicans when they impeached Bill Clinton. For impeachment to work a good size majority has to be in favor of it. That's not the case today. As I said, impeachment is a political process with all its pluses and minuses any political action has. The problem with impeachment at this time is that it would look like a political vendetta against Trump. A one party affair with only Democrats favoring it. Sort of a revenge tactic for losing an election. Politics after all is all about perceptions, how people sees things, about the wants and wishes of a majority of Americans, not just one political party.

The Democrats control the House, they can impeach Trump anytime their little pea pickin hearts desire. It's all up to them. But if it backfires, if it looks like a political vendetta, revenge, it could also help Trump to a second term. You're lucky that Speaker Pelosi is political savvy and realizes the dangers. It how the majority of Americans see impeachment whether it is the right thing or the wrong thing. Politics is all about perspectives.
 
Perotista said:
You sound just like the Republicans when they impeached Bill Clinton. For impeachment to work a good size majority has to be in favor of it. That's not the case today. As I said, impeachment is a political process with all its pluses and minuses any political action has. The problem with impeachment at this time is that it would look like a political vendetta against Trump. A one party affair with only Democrats favoring it. Sort of a revenge tactic for losing an election. Politics after all is all about perceptions, how people sees things, about the wants and wishes of a majority of Americans, not just one political party.

The Democrats control the House, they can impeach Trump anytime their little pea pickin hearts desire. It's all up to them. But if it backfires, if it looks like a political vendetta, revenge, it could also help Trump to a second term. You're lucky that Speaker Pelosi is political savvy and realizes the dangers. It how the majority of Americans see impeachment whether it is the right thing or the wrong thing. Politics is all about perspectives.
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I just saw a Congress Critter claim the full House will be voting on an "official misconduct investigation" against POTUS, directing the Judiciary Committee to investigate Trump.

I believe this is what needs to be done, perhaps even with an impeachment investigation. This greatly strengthens the legal case concerning subpoenas and their fast-tracking, and I believe adds political gravitas. I have no problem starting an impeachment investigation. Under Nixon, the subpoena for the tapes was resolved in just two months, ending with a SCOTUS directive to release them.

I believe this is the way to get the information needed to properly educate the public. And public education is how this thing can be flipped in 2020.
 
Chomsky said:
I just saw a Congress Critter claim the full House will be voting on an "official misconduct investigation" against POTUS, directing the Judiciary Committee to investigate Trump.
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Why vote on something like "More money so the Border Patrol can house the 530K people who've been arrested crossing the border so far this year" or "a plan to lower healthcare costs" or "money to fix the ****ing bridges and dams in America" when we can "vote to harass the President some more!" instead!
 
Endless witch hunt is endless...
 
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