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McConnell to delay the vote on health care bill until after July 4 recess

Winston said:
I'm on Medicaid, I love it. My hospital bills get paid if I go to the hospital and I get dental and yearly checkups and pay zero. Medicaid is also an economic stimulus to local economy.
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I mean this with all due respect Winston, however, the majority of the middle class go to the dentist and get yearly checkups and actually have to use their hard earned money to pay for those services.

Why should middle class Americans continue to pay higher premiums and higher taxes so poor people can free load off them?
 
I'm trying to be optimistic about this. The bill wouldn't destroy my life until enough Americans realize they're so screwed over they vote for moderate Republicans and Democrats.

Make America sick again.
 
Phys251 said:
It's a delay, time off the clock, from implementing this disastrous plan. And it makes the possibility that it will never pass just a bit more likely.
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More likely is that it gives McConnell more time to buy the votes he needs.
 
Bucky said:
I mean this with all due respect Winston, however, the majority of the middle class go to the dentist and get yearly checkups and actually have to use their hard earned money to pay for those services.

Why should middle class Americans continue to pay higher premiums and higher premiums so poor people can free load off them?
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I make less than $10,000 dollars a year before taxes.
 
Cardinal said:
More likely is that it gives McConnell more time to buy the votes he needs.
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He can take aaalllllllllll the time he needs!
 
Bucky said:
As a nation, we are yearning for tax cuts. This is an unfortunate setback however I am optimistic this bill will get passed. Mitch mcConnell is the sheriff and will round up the votes!

Tax cuts are needed. Not only will they improve healthcare, but our overall economy.

A shame you don't see 1 Democrat Senator lending a helping hand to Trump or McConnell. Their true colors have been revealed. Democrats don't want to see improved health care. All they want to do is complain.
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I'm sure you'd be just fine if you had to pay a little more in taxes, Bucky.
 
Bucky said:
I mean this with all due respect Winston, however, the majority of the middle class go to the dentist and get yearly checkups and actually have to use their hard earned money to pay for those services.

Why should middle class Americans continue to pay higher premiums and higher taxes so poor people can free load off them?
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This isn't about middle class Americans. It's about people, like yourself, making over 200,000/yr, and who will get a tax cut that will amount to nearly 4 trillion dollars by 2036. So the question is this: Why do you need more than the $200,000 you're already making so that other people don't have access to medicaid?
 
Mustachio said:
I'm trying to be optimistic about this. The bill wouldn't destroy my life until enough Americans realize they're so screwed over they vote for moderate Republicans and Democrats.

Make America sick again.
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I'm guessing your life was already destroyed before this potential bill.

If you want to blame someone, blame Barack Obama. Obama was arrogant, assuming he would pass a universal health care plan unanimously. He even had the gall to say if you like your healthcare plan you can keep it.
 
Phys251 said:
I'm sure you'd be just fine if you had to pay a little more in taxes, Bucky.
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You do understand that if you tax people, they have less incentive to work and make more income, thus, they are no longer in a higher-income tax bracket, thus you wouldn't be able to tax them anymore?
 
Bucky said:
The problem with the Obama administration is that they were playing with number and statistics and lying to the media and people.

Obama said more people were insured under Obamacare. The fact is the majority of people covered under Obamacare were technically insured, but most of that insurance was unusable.
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How many went on medicaid because of ObamaCare? They dont have that problem.

The problem with ObamaCare was that it made not the slightest effort to fix the crap way we deliver healthcare, it was nothing but the cutting down of healthcare rationing because Obama decided that class inequities in rationing can not be allowed to stand. Either that or he is so stupid that he does not believe there should be any rationing at all. Then he got a wild hair and decided that men need to subsidize women, because men in this society dont have it bad enough already. Then because he could not get the numbers to work he lied about the numbers, he created a system that was not fully funded, which he hoped I am sure would ruin insurance companies and drive a follow on system that does not use private insurance but what it tends to do is destroy healthcare providers, and further destroy faith in government.
 
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Bucky said:
As a nation, we are yearning for tax cuts. This is an unfortunate setback however I am optimistic this bill will get passed. Mitch mcConnell is the sheriff and will round up the votes!

Tax cuts are needed. Not only will they improve healthcare, but our overall economy.

A shame you don't see 1 Democrat Senator lending a helping hand to Trump or McConnell. Their true colors have been revealed. Democrats don't want to see improved health care. All they want to do is complain.
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kinda like the repubbys did for 7 years .........
 
Bucky said:
You do understand that if you tax people, they have less incentive to work and make more income, thus, they are no longer in a higher-income tax bracket, thus you wouldn't be able to tax them anymore?
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Any suggestions for someone who's working but only making 10-15 thousand dollars a year? What do they do for healthcare when Medicaid is gone?
 
Bucky said:
You do understand that if you tax people, they have less incentive to work and make more income, thus, they are no longer in a higher-income tax bracket, thus you wouldn't be able to tax them anymore?
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Do those who make over $200,000 need that money more than the people who need access to medicaid? If so, what do they need that money for?
 
RAMOSS said:
Four of them actually are not voting for it because it doesn't cut medicare and medicaid enough
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I love that. Let the extreme Republicans who despise any sort of healthcare except for the superrich contribute to the demise of Trumpcare.
 
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Cardinal said:
This isn't about middle class Americans. It's about people, like yourself, making over 200,000/yr, and who will get a tax cut that will amount to nearly 4 trillion dollars by 2036. So the question is this: Why do you need more than the $200,000 you're already making so that other people don't have access to medicaid?
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LOL Cardinal. You assume people in poverty have it bad. They get free housing, They get food stamps. They don't pay taxes. They get discounted health care.

IMO that is discriminatory. People need to be less selfish and understand some people don’t like to take responsibility for their own ****.
 
Bucky said:
LOL Cardinal. You assume people in poverty have it bad. They get free housing, They get food stamps. They don't pay taxes. They get discounted health care.

IMO that is discriminatory. People need to be less selfish and understand some people don’t like to take responsibility for their own ****.
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Answer the question, bucky. Do those who make over $200,000 need that money more than the people who need access to medicaid? If so, what do they need that money for?
 
Bucky said:
LOL Cardinal. You assume people in poverty have it bad. They get free housing, They get food stamps. They don't pay taxes. They get discounted health care.

IMO that is discriminatory. People need to be less selfish and understand some people don’t like to take responsibility for their own ****.
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If that is the case, then, make people pay living wages.
 
Phys251 said:
Mitch McConnell to delay the vote until after recess - CNNPolitics.com


:applaud

Looks like just enough GOP Senators decided to stare down the fact that Trumpcare would have thrown over 20 million Americans off of insurance coverage!
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Possible, but I doubt that is the reason. I don't know what each state thinks of Trumpcare, but nationwide there are around 55% of Americans opposed to Repeal and Replace. That may have been more opposition than some GOP senators were willing to go against. The problem with retaining the ACA is the number of insurance companies withdrawing from it leaving some without an option for insurance next year and if the predictions are correct come January of 2019 a third of the counties in the United States will be without a single insurance company to offer insurance and around a third of the counties down to one insurance company. Time will tell if that is correct. But if so, both Trumpcare and Obamacare will soon within a year or two or three leave 20 million Americans without insurance.

Hard realities for either side to face when all they are focused on is the here and now. Not next year or the year after or the future. Something needs to be done, neither side seems willing and each side is only interested in their own political agenda and not the nations.
 
Bucky said:
As a nation, we are yearning for tax cuts. This is an unfortunate setback however I am optimistic this bill will get passed. Mitch mcConnell is the sheriff and will round up the votes!

Tax cuts are needed. Not only will they improve healthcare, but our overall economy.

A shame you don't see 1 Democrat Senator lending a helping hand to Trump or McConnell. Their true colors have been revealed. Democrats don't want to see improved health care. All they want to do is complain.
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Right

McConnell to Democrats: F you! Your input not wanted - in fact we won't let you in the room!

McConnell: Why won't you Democrats help a guy out?

:roll: :lamo
 
Bucky said:
LOL Cardinal. You assume people in poverty have it bad. They get free housing, They get food stamps. They don't pay taxes. They get discounted health care.

IMO that is discriminatory. People need to be less selfish and understand some people don’t like to take responsibility for their own ****.
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Don't like taxes? Don't drive on the freeways. Don't call the fire department if your house catches fire. Don't call the police if you are robbed. Accept being attacked by the Russians, and love it..... Oh, wait, you already did that. :mrgreen:
 
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