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A black off-duty cop tried to help stop a crime. Another officer shot him.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-top-stories_pn-offduty-1255pm:homepage/story

A “friendly fire” incident in which an off-duty St. Louis policeman was shot while coming to the aid of fellow officers has taken on racial overtones after an incendiary claim by the injured officer’s attorney: The officer was viewed as a threat because he was black.

An off-duty officer who lives nearby heard the commotion, grabbed his service pistol and headed to the scene to assist his fellow officers. He arrived as the other officers were carrying out the arrest.

The other officers ordered the off-duty officer to the ground, then recognized him as a fellow policeman and told him to stand up and walk toward them.

As he approached, another officer arrived and shot the off-duty officer in the arm, “apparently not recognizing” him, police told the Associated Press.
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Officer is lucky the 0ther Officer is a bad shot.
Did the last arriving Officer panic?
Is it bad communications between onsite- arriving Officer(s)?
Or is it credible he was shot while Black?
Thoughts are?
 
Not enough information to make a determination but it sure sounds bad.
 
JANFU said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-top-stories_pn-offduty-1255pm:homepage/story


Officer is lucky the 0ther Officer is a bad shot.
Did the last arriving Officer panic?
Is it bad communications between onsite- arriving Officer(s)?
Or is it credible he was shot while Black?
Thoughts are?
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One of the last things they instruct at the police academy (at least here in CA) and one of the absolutely first things rammed into your brain during FTO when you're a freshly minted rookie cop is, "Be a good witness."

IOW, if you're off duty/out of uniform, do NOT get directly involved unless someone's life is in immediate danger.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
One of the last things they instruct at the police academy (at least here in CA) and one of the absolutely first things rammed into your brain during FTO when you're a freshly minted rookie cop is, "Be a good witness."

IOW, if you're off duty/out of uniform, do NOT get directly involved unless someone's life is in immediate danger.
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Definitely would cause concern if you are in civilian clothes and come up with a visible gun. But it does sound like the off duty officer did everything ordered to him.

This is going to be tough case.
 
St. Louis.

I'm calling it now: Officers fear for life as black person approaches them by side of the road, justified because of things happening elsewhere.
 
IMO it's pretty obvious most Americans don't give a **** if a cop shoots any civilian, no matter what the racial demographic of the person that was shot by the cop may be.

IMO it's also pretty obvious that most Americans may give just a little bit of a **** if the person being shot by the cop is actually another cop.

I'm done with the whole rogue cop shooting people for no good reason bull****.

I've tried to discuss it here but some folks just throw a hissy fit ...............
 
Slingshot Bob said:
*sigh* no, merely pointing out the pertinent fact you omitted. Any one approaching a cop with a gun is a threat even if the person is purple with yellow polka dots *facepalm*
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Zero mention of the gun being used in a threatening manner in the police report. Why would a black person not using their gun in a threatening manner, be relevant to the issue?

Because it could happen?
 
Slingshot Bob said:
*sigh* no, merely pointing out the pertinent fact you omitted. Any one approaching a cop with a gun is a threat even if the person is purple with yellow polka dots *facepalm*
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Meh, plenty of these shootings were of unarmed black folk. The power of the state is outta control. Good thing you cut your hair.
 
Hatuey said:
Zero mention of the gun being used in a threatening manner in the police report. Why would a black person not using their gun in a threatening manner, be relevant to the issue?

Because it could happen?
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Having a gun in hand is certainly a threat from a cops perspective, hell from any perspective. If someone I don't know approaches me with a gun in hand, I don't care if it is not pointed at me or not, I would be real jumpy.
 
Fenton Lum said:
Meh, plenty of these shootings were of unarmed black folk. The power of the state is outta control. Good thing you cut your hair.
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Shhhhh he doesn't know that the police report has zero mention of the gun being used in a threatening manner. Let him have some rope and talk about how blacks carrying guns is scary.

Like clockwork:

Slingshot Bob said:
Having a gun in hand is certainly a threat from a cops perspective
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/24/black-st-louis-police-officer-shot-white-colleague

Tate [...] questioned the white officer’s account, according to police, that he shot the off-duty officer because he feared for his safety.

“In the police report you have so far, there is no description of a threat he received,”
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No threat discussed in the police report? Hmmm, this cop probably doesn't understand what happened as well as you do.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
Having a gun in hand is certainly a threat from a cops perspective, hell from any perspective. If someone I don't know approaches me with a gun in hand, I don't care if it is not pointed at me or not, I would be real jumpy.
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You should not be a cop.
 
Hatuey said:
Zero mention of the gun being used in a threatening manner in the police report. Why would a black person not using their gun in a threatening manner, be relevant to the issue?

Because it could happen?
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A gun out of its holster is, in of itself, a threatening gesture.
 
KevinKohler said:
A gun out of its holster is, in of itself, a threatening gesture.
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Only that didn't happen:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/24/black-st-louis-police-officer-shot-white-colleague

When the off-duty officer arrived at the scene to help, two on-duty officers ordered him to the ground but then recognized him and told him to stand up and walk toward them. As he was doing so, another officer arrived and shot the off-duty officer, “apparently not recognizing” him, police said.
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The first 2 officers had determined him to not be a threat. The third officer arriving at the scene did. Again, zero mention of a threat being made in the police report. These officers probably don't know the law as well as those at DP.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I am not, nor would there be enough money on the planet to entice me to be one even if it were possible.

If a stranger approaching you with a gun does not concern you, why are you anti 2nd?
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Hey everyone, this fellow wants us to believe he lives in Florida where practically everyone walks around with a gun.

Are you always concerned? How many folks have you shot to date? Jeez, I can't imagine living in Florida where 1 in 3 folks owns a gun, and not spending my day on the constant lookout. At the convenience store, at a Macy's, in the bathroom of a high priced club.
 
Slingshot Bob said:
I am not, nor would there be enough money on the planet to entice me to be one even if it were possible.

If a stranger approaching you with a gun does not concern you, why are you anti 2nd?
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I'm not, why do you assign views to others?
 
Hatuey said:
This guy wants us to believe he lives in Florida everyone where practically everyone walks around with a gun. Are you always concerned?
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Yeah, lots of people are. All day, every day; just as wound up and anxious as the power structure hopes for and foments.
 
Hatuey said:
Zero mention of the gun being used in a threatening manner in the police report. Why would a black person not using their gun in a threatening manner, be relevant to the issue?

Because it could happen?
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A visibly armed person triggers a threat response far easier than someone who is not visibility armed and this really isn't hard to understand.
 
Deuce said:
A visibly armed person triggers a threat response far easier than someone who is not visibility armed and this really isn't hard to understand.
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... and yet... no threat mentioned.
 
Deuce said:
A visibly armed person triggers a threat response far easier than someone who is not visibility armed and this really isn't hard to understand.
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Well, alrighty then.
 
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