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When its too late for an abortion

Waddy said:
Well, you sure would considering you think adoption is WRONG. looks like you'd like to force women out of adoption.
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No, I would not. I believe in each woman making the choice that *she* thinks is best. I don't believe in forcing my opinion on others.
 
DebateChallenge said:
There is lots of talk about banning abortion after the third trimester or after the pregnancy has gone on for a certain time. Well the fact of the matter is this, as soon as the egg is fertilized its too late for an abortion.
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Only if the fetus has declared to be pro-choice.
 
Waddy said:
Well, you sure would considering you think adoption is WRONG. looks like you'd like to force women out of adoption.
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lol...See the perfect example of the authoritarian mindset above.

No, Broh. It's your side that wants to force people to do something--like carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. My side wants to be sure woman have a CHOICE!
 
prometeus said:
Only if the fetus has declared to be pro-choice.
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Fetuses are incapable of making a choice. Hence, the reasonable thing to do is let the woman who has it in her belly make the decision.
 
calamity said:
Fetuses are incapable of making a choice. Hence, the reasonable thing to do is let the woman who has it in her belly make the decision.
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So lets say I've got a baby and I want to give the baby a permanent tattoo, since the baby is not capable of making a choice should I be allowed to do that? Not that I ever would.
 
Scrabaholic said:
No, I would not. I believe in each woman making the choice that *she* thinks is best. I don't believe in forcing my opinion on others.
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I haven't seen anybody here 'forcing" their opinions on others. Expressing an opinion is far different than forcing an opinion. In fact, I doubt anyone on this forum has the power to "force" their opinions on anyone. I don't see any actual judges or legislatures around here. Or are you implying that only people with opinions different than yours are trying to "force" their opinions?
 
calamity said:
lol...See the perfect example of the authoritarian mindset above.

No, Broh. It's your side that wants to force people to do something--like carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. My side wants to be sure woman have a CHOICE!
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Always demonize the other side; that's the game. However, I want women to have a choice. I want them to CHOOSE to carry their baby full term. I want their choice to be life.
 
Waddy said:
Always demonize the other side; that's the game. However, I want women to have a choice. I want them to CHOOSE to carry their baby full term. I want their choice to be life.
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uh-huh. You already showed us your authoritarian lean. No need to double down in it.
 
DebateChallenge said:
So lets say I've got a baby and I want to give the baby a permanent tattoo, since the baby is not capable of making a choice should I be allowed to do that? Not that I ever would.
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Born humans are protected by law. You know that. I'm not sure of tattoos. However, you are free to cut off a part of his penis.
 
Tats for tots?

DebateChallenge said:
So lets say I've got a baby and I want to give the baby a permanent tattoo, since the baby is not capable of making a choice should I be allowed to do that? Not that I ever would.
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It may not be legal. Permanent tattoos for babies are not recommended - risk of infection, reaction to tattoo inks, etc. & a baby's skin is very thin - so it may be a technical problem as well as an ethical one. A baby's immune system may not be up to fighting off an infection. In some jurisdictions, a tattoo for a baby might count as child abuse. & if that's the case, no legitimate tattoo artist is going to want to touch the baby.
 
calamity said:
uh-huh. You already showed us your authoritarian lean. No need to double down in it.
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Got something to back that up? Didn't think so. You got nothin'. But keep trying, I'm looking forward to watching you reach for thin air.
 
Re: Every citizen gets a vote

Waddy said:
I'm not "proposing" anything. The law is the law. But I do advocate for life instead of death. The hole being dug is the insistence that adoption is wrong. Doubling down on that idea makes that hole massive.
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No one has insisted that adoption is wrong, it's only a choice, and there is but one person with the right to make the choice we are talking about.
 
calamity said:
Born humans are protected by law. You know that. I'm not sure of tattoos. However, you are free to cut off a part of his penis.
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Well as this is an abortion board and not a circumcision board, to get into the circumcision debate would be opening a whole nother can of worms, but I will say this much there are movements to ban infant circumcision.
 
Re: Tats for tots?

southwest88 said:
It may not be legal. Permanent tattoos for babies are not recommended - risk of infection, reaction to tattoo inks, etc. & a baby's skin is very thin - so it may be a technical problem as well as an ethical one. A baby's immune system may not be up to fighting off an infection. In some jurisdictions, a tattoo for a baby might count as child abuse. & if that's the case, no legitimate tattoo artist is going to want to touch the baby.
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Well its also something the baby will have to live with for life. On the other hand if you don't get your baby a tattoo, that way when the baby grows up they can decide if they want any tattoos.
 
Waddy said:
Got something to back that up? Didn't think so. You got nothin'. But keep trying, I'm looking forward to watching you reach for thin air.
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Then you accept the law and would not want to change it making abortion illegal?
 
DebateChallenge said:
Well as this is an abortion board and not a circumcision board, to get into the circumcision debate would be opening a whole nother can of worms, but I will say this much there are movements to ban infant circumcision.
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You went tattoo, broh.
 
DebateChallenge said:
Well as this is an abortion board and not a circumcision board, to get into the circumcision debate would be opening a whole nother can of worms, but I will say this much there are movements to ban infant circumcision.
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Please apply that thinking to tattoos as well, and stick to abortion.

DebateChallenge said:
There is lots of talk about banning abortion after the third trimester or after the pregnancy has gone on for a certain time. Well the fact of the matter is this, as soon as the egg is fertilized its too late for an abortion.
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That is NOT a fact. The fact IS, you can not abort what doesn't exist. Only once the egg has been fertilized, abortion becomes a possible choice. Methods of avoiding fertilization of the egg by sperm are not abortions but simply avoidance of pregnancy, which would make abortion become a choice.

And in truth, life can be aborted (terminated) prematurely at any point.
 
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Waddy said:
Always demonize the other side; that's the game. However, I want women to have a choice. I want them to CHOOSE to carry their baby full term. I want their choice to be life.
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And if the woman wants to do otherwise, demonize her?
Women now have a choice, allow them to make it.
 
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Individual said:
No one has insisted that adoption is wrong, it's only a choice, and there is but one person with the right to make the choice we are talking about.
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Originally Posted by Scrabaholic post 609
Adoption is wrong. You are asking women to pawn their children off on others to raise, to hand them over to strangers. Nope, not going to ever do it.
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So, you see, there are people radicalized enough to believe that even something as admirable as adoption is wrong. Amazing, is it not?
 
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Individual said:
Then you accept the law and would not want to change it making abortion illegal?
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As will you, I will go along with whatever the duly elected representatives of the people in this democratic country and our Supreme Court decides.
 
Individual said:
And if the woman wants to do otherwise, demonize her?
Women now have a choice, allow them to make it.
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Where have I demonized women in any way? Or are you engaging in wishful thinking? A little spin for the cause, maybe? I've been married for almost 50 years, and have a grown married daughter among my offspring. But I would counsel any woman to birth her baby. Give it up for adoption if need be, but don't kill the baby. However, in the end, and all through history, that choice has always been the woman's choice.
 
Waddy said:
As will you, I will go along with whatever the duly elected representatives of the people in this democratic country and our Supreme Court decides.
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Since you wont ever be in the position to have an abortion, that statement is meaningless. And doesnt mean you wouldnt use your voting power to try and make changes.
 
Lursa said:
Since you wont ever be in the position to have an abortion, that statement is meaningless. And doesnt mean you wouldnt use your voting power to try and make changes.
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So not ever being in a position to have an abortion disqualifies me from having an opinion?
 
Waddy said:
So not ever being in a position to have an abortion disqualifies me from having an opinion?
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Nope, that has nothing to do with my response. Here's the exchange:

Individual said:
Then you accept the law and would not want to change it making abortion illegal?
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Waddy said:
As will you, I will go along with whatever the duly elected representatives of the people in this democratic country and our Supreme Court decides.
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Lursa said:
Since you wont ever be in the position to have an abortion, that statement is meaningless. And doesnt mean you wouldnt use your voting power to try and make changes.
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It's meaningless for you to say you will comply with a law when you can never break that law. And as my 2nd sentence pointed out, you avoided a direct answer to his question.
 
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