You should be forced to sell your house and rent

[ksu_aviator]

China and Cuba didn't/don't democratically elect their leaders.

No socialist country does. Do you think they are ever going to give up that power and privilege to live in a government provided home? **** no.

 

[Geoist]

No socialist country does. Do you think they are ever going to give up that power and privilege to live in a government provided home? **** no.

No authoritarian socialist country does, just as no authoritarian capitalist country does.

I believe in democratic socialism, more specifically, geo-mutualism.

 

[ksu_aviator]

No authoritarian socialist country does, just as no authoritarian capitalist country does.

I believe in democratic socialism, more specifically, geo-mutualism.

There will never be democratic socialism. When you give people that much power the "elections" will be as meaningful as Iraq under Sudam.

 

[Geoist]

There will never be democratic socialism. When you give people that much power the "elections" will be as meaningful as Iraq under Sudam.

I don't believe in centralized power, especially in the mold of Maoism/Stalinism.

 

[ksu_aviator]

I don't believe in centralized power, especially in the mold of Maoism/Stalinism.

You don't have to believe in it, it will exist though.

I have news for you, you are nothing more than a slave under socialism. There is no other way to put it. You have no power in the government. You seceded 100% of your life to government.

 

[element94]

I don't believe in centralized power, especially in the mold of Maoism/Stalinism.

Yeah, I can't get past the starving millions bit.

 

[Geoist]

You don't have to believe in it, it will exist though.

I have news for you, you are nothing more than a slave under socialism. There is no other way to put it. You have no power in the government. You seceded 100% of your life to government.

And yet more socialist countries are more democratic than the USA:

Ranking

www.democracymatrix.com

 

[ksu_aviator]

And yet more socialist countries are more democratic than the USA:

Ranking

www.democracymatrix.com

There is no democratic socialist state.

 

[Opossum]

I have buried a lot of people I loved dearly. That happens when you reach your 50s.

I didn't say that. I said I would never room with a stranger again. Big difference.

Good for him! I'm glad he's not gonna get pregnant Women have a different life in the United States than men do, but thankfully, that seems to be changing before my eyes. I'm so glad that my daughter didn't live in a time where a girl was threatened to be set on fire by her mother--if she dated a black man. Interesting the changes that have happened in my lifetime and I'm really not that old, considering how much longer we live.

You're 50, 5 years older than me. I own two homes and have no degree. That doesn't happen on accident. That's a life-long pattern.

 

[Opossum]

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Well...I wish you luck.

 

[JRTurner]

You're 50, 5 years older than me. I own two homes and have no degree. That doesn't happen on accident. That's a life-long pattern.

I'm a woman. My life long pattern was marrying my high-school sweetheart and living in that marriage for 30 years without infidelity, working, and raising 3 beautiful children.

Congratulations on your properties.

Now that you're done patting yourself on the back--do you think ALL citizens of this country MUST follow your personal path?

If that's so, can I ask--were you thrown out of your home at 11 by drug addicts? If you weren't--what would you have told the 11yr.old me to do to keep following in your footsteps?

 

[JRTurner]

Well...I wish you luck.

Thank you. As I said, the world looks very different today. Some research on the subject would help you.

I used to make some of your similar arguments--back when it was feasible. Not so anymore. I'm sorry to break the bad news to you.

 

[Mungo Jerry]

So if providing people with housing for free is bad because it makes people lazy, it makes sense to me that forcing homeowners to sell their houses is good because it makes people more productive and competitive. After all, those home owners with paid off mortgages or low mortgage payments have had it too good for too long. With their lower costs than renting and economic stability gained from owing their home there just isn't a fire under their ass anymore like their is for renters.

I'm retired; selling my house will only had several hundred $K to my available retirement funds.
How does selling my house motivate me?

 

[Michael Cole]

That’s how our congress critters decided to reduce (cut) SS benefit costs. Folks can still get (reduced) SS benefits at age 62.

I took SS a year early, and I would have to live to be in my 90's to make up for what I gained this past year. At 62 you take a big hit.

I'm a woman. My life long pattern was marrying my high-school sweetheart and living in that marriage for 30 years without infidelity, working, and raising 3 beautiful children.

Congratulations on your properties.

Now that you're done patting yourself on the back--do you think ALL citizens of this country MUST follow your personal path?

Pardon me for chiming in, but what's being proposed is all citizens following the path government has set for them, yes?

If that's so, can I ask--were you thrown out of your home at 11 by drug addicts? If you weren't--what would you have told the 11yr.old me to do to keep following in your footsteps?

 

[Geoist]

There is no democratic socialist state.

No True Scotsman Fallacy.

The states on that ranked above the USA (#36) have more socialist governments than the USA.

 

[Hypothetical]

I'm retired; selling my house will only had several hundred $K to my available retirement funds.
How does selling my house motivate me?

Just give up your house already comrade!

It doesn't matter that you worked to pay for it your whole life... we need young plebes who can work 15 hour days sewing shoes for pennies!

 

[Mungo Jerry]

Just give up your house already comrade!
It doesn't matter that you worked to pay for it your whole life... we need young plebes who can work 15 hour days sewing shoes for pennies!

Sounds like a scene from Dr. Zhivago.

 

[JRTurner]

I took SS a year early, and I would have to live to be in my 90's to make up for what I gained this past year. At 62 you take a big hit.


Pardon me for chiming in, but what's being proposed is all citizens following the path government has set for them, yes?

Of course--but that includes all basic needs being met, including housing.

The one proposed in the previous post is to go back in time to when you first started working, work your way up from the bottom floor in a company that doesn't require college degrees for promotion, get promoted, stay there long enough to buy two houses, and then prescribe that method to cure homelessness.

I was just asking him what happens when reality shows up

 

[Michael Cole]

That's not true.

People can be (and are) quite happy in densely populated spaces so long as they're well-designed and needs are met.

Tiny houses are cheap. High rise condos are anything but. Whether one is happy is irrelevant to cost.

When driving around town, notice the apartment complexes. The majority will be 4 over 1 (floors) or 5 over 1 construction. Anything over 5 or 6 stories requires steel beams, which are more expensive than wood framed buildings. If you can't grow out (land), you have to grow up. Bad idea if affordability is the goal.

 

[ksu_aviator]

No True Scotsman Fallacy.

The states on that ranked above the USA (#36) have more socialist governments than the USA.

No, you are making a false equivalency. There are no socialist governments ahead of the United States.

 

[Geoist]

No, you are making a false equivalency. There are no socialist governments ahead of the United States.

So are you going on record here to say Denmark doesn't have a more socialist government than the USA? Norway? Sweden? Finland? Germany?

 

[Michael Cole]

Of course--but that includes all basic needs being met, including housing.

But we're discussing paths, not needs.

Who determines these paths? As it stands, the private sector determines what gets developed, when and where. It does this because of the earnings incentive. Tearing this down would put the government in control of these decisions. What incentive does the government have in making everything pencil out?

What if the path set by government is not the path I wish to take?

The one proposed in the previous post is to go back in time to when you first started working, work your way up from the bottom floor in a company that doesn't require college degrees for promotion, get promoted, stay there long enough to buy two houses, and then prescribe that method to cure homelessness.

I was just asking him what happens when reality shows up

 

[Geoist]

What if the path set by government is not the path I wish to take?

Vote the bums out?

 

[ksu_aviator]

So are you going on record here to say Denmark doesn't have a more socialist government than the USA? Norway? Sweden? Finland? Germany?

I'm saying they are not socialist. Do they have more social programs? Probably. Why does the left have to play these word games? They have more social programs and then they ranked themselves as more democratic and that proves something? Get real.

 

[Michael Cole]

Vote the bums out?

Why should I vote for them in the first place? I like freedom. I'm perfectly capable of determining my own lifepath. Taking my freedom away because...what would be the reasoning behind this?