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In the case of people who were born here, there's not a lot we can do about it.

In the case of people who want to immigrate here, there is. We can choose who gets in and who doesn't.

So, who gets to decide who's going to be assimilate adequately and what criteria would be applied? Sounds you really would like to have a police state system in place which would come up with a cultural purity test. Do you ever screen your thoughts before slapping them up?
 
So... :coffeepap



(fyi nazi was an epithet for awkward and clumsy volk long before the Nationalsozialistischm Deutsche Arbeiterpartei came on the scene and members of the Drittes Reich never called themselves Nazis, that was a term that was given them... so, no you really can't call all nationalist parties nazi's...)

I'm going to try to unravel that verbal knot to see if there's any sense in it. The first part, typos aside, seems to be much blather about nothing since the "epithet" resulted from contracting the full party name and, yes, rightly became a pejorative term for the members of that detestable political movement. Of course they didn't call themselves that at the time but there certainly is one of these hate groups in the US that has no embarrassment in calling itself the "American Nazi Party" so modern nazis do call themselves nazis (you seem to be one of those "low information" types). And, finally, where there's enough similarity between current political parties that refer to themselves as "nationalists" or variations of that term (e.g., in this country: Aryan Nations, National Alliance, National Socialist Movement, Nationalist Movement -- all sharing white supremacist yearnings) it's more than fair to consider them neo-nazi by only slightly different, and sometimes identical, names). There are plenty more neo-nazi white supremacist hate groups in this country than that. Variations of the term "national" or "nationalist" aren't essential to earn the neo-nazi label.
 
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So, who gets to decide who's going to be assimilate adequately and what criteria would be applied? Sounds you really would like to have a police state system in place which would come up with a cultural purity test. Do you ever screen your thoughts before slapping them up?


No one has the "right" to immigrate to the US. It is a privilege, so enough with the hysterical nonsense.
 
No one has the "right" to immigrate to the US. It is a privilege, so enough with the hysterical nonsense.

Way to not address the proposition you've put forward and creating a straw man (no one claimed immigration is a "right"*) instead. I take that as an admission that even you realize what an un-American idea you had in mind or did you give words to an idea with horrible implications with any thought at all?

*although many generations of people considered it as one until some other kind of immigrant wanted a shot at it. This history of bigotry with regard to new immigrants wanting a chance at the "American dream" is all to well documented and you're a perfect example for how that bigotry is still very much alive.
 
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Way to not address the proposition you've put forward and creating a straw man instead. I take that as an admission that even you realize what an un-American idea you had in mind or did you give words to an idea with horrible implications with any thought at all?
I never put forth a *proposition*. I made a statement about what I expect out of people immigrating to this country.

If you want to get all emotional about a bunch of backwards assed cave dwellers being told to either buck up and accept our values or stay home, that's your business.
 
You either haven't been paying attention to (no surprise there for your type) or are you deliberately ignoring (also typical) my posts citing the "hate group" status of groups like the NBPP and the NOI? I confess the the group you cite was unfamiliar to me so I had to look them up. There is a splinter group of the BHI which has made it to the hate group list at the SPLC, so they're not being ignored. The biggest difference between white and black hate groups in this country is that the former is well-known for matching their violent rhetoric with violent acts while the latter is almost all rhetoric. That still doesn't get them a pass on earning the label of "hate group."

The Black Hebrews have killed before, and are every bit as deadly as white supremacists.
The high visibility of the Black Hebrews is what makes me think the media is purposely avoiding covering them. They yell through microphones on busy street corners about their intentions of starting a race war. While the KKK and similar groups are largely relegated to some backwoods area of Alabama.
See what I mean?
Then there's the fact that you had never even heard of the Black Hebrews until I brought them up, yet they're more visible, as have greater numbers than white supremacist groups. and yes, they've killed people based on race before.
 
Ignoring racism has never made it go away.



the whole idea of ending racism is society getting to the point where we ignore race.... consistent and continual focus on race ensures racism with exist in perpetuity.

as I see it, focusing on morons ,like white supremacists, empowers them...which perpetuates racism.
 
I'm going to try to unravel that verbal knot to see if there's any sense in it. The first part, typos aside, seems to be much blather about nothing since the "epithet" resulted from contracting the full party name and, yes, rightly became a pejorative term for the members of that detestable political movement. Of course they didn't call themselves that at the time but there certainly is one of these hate groups in the US that has no embarrassment in calling itself the "American Nazi Party" so modern nazis do call themselves nazis (you seem to be one of those "low information" types). And, finally, where there's enough similarity between current political parties that refer to themselves as "nationalists" or variations of that term (e.g., in this country: Aryan Nations, National Alliance, National Socialist Movement, Nationalist Movement -- all sharing white supremacist yearnings) it's more than fair to consider them neo-nazi by only slightly different, and sometimes identical, names). There are plenty more neo-nazi white supremacist hate groups in this country than that. Variations of the term "national" or "nationalist" aren't essential to earn the neo-nazi label.

Oh my...:giggle1:

Well, you've unraveled your own OP that's for sure. Let me help you eschew obfuscation and simplify your position for you.

"Ignore what I said in my OP, Nazi's are whomever I want them to be."

See?

Handy dandy, nice and neat.

:2wave:
 
I never put forth a *proposition*. I made a statement about what I expect out of people immigrating to this country.

If you want to get all emotional about a bunch of backwards assed cave dwellers being told to either buck up and accept our values or stay home, that's your business.

If all you're referring to was the short list in your comment @ comment #78 are you suggesting they have to swear oath of loyalty just to be enter the US such as the one administered to naturalized citizens? Not every immigrant comes into this country with the intention of becoming a permanent immigrant or citizen. Some come in on work visas only. The do not have the rights of citizens so they should not be expected to make such an oath (unless you're fine with the tables being turned and the same thing applied to Americans going into other countries). Immigrants already go through a considerable screening process. It's not perfect and nothing ever will be. but it's as rigorous as any other open society's oversight can be. I don't think you know what you're talking about and threw out some barely-thought-out idea because is sounded reasonable to you but is absolutely not workable in the real world. Of course, you're free to revise or enlarge upon your statement in #78 which you could have done already instead playing dodgeball.
 
The Black Hebrews have killed before, and are every bit as deadly as white supremacists.

I found exactly one case of a BHI man convicted of murdering his own son and one of his wives (based on his belief that the boy was homosexual). While this is a horrendous crime it's not at all related to some "black supremacy" motive or part of any kind of race war. BHI is certainly guilty of hate speech but you'll need to find a case of a race hate crime of any kind if you're going to try to put them in the category of people like Dylann Roof. In fact, the SPLC page on the BHIs is quite long but mentions not a single violent hate crime committed although notes that they are becoming more confrontational and militant in their rhetoric.
 
Oh my...:giggle1:

Well, you've unraveled your own OP that's for sure. Let me help you eschew obfuscation and simplify your position for you.

"Ignore what I said in my OP, Nazi's are whomever I want them to be."

See?

Handy dandy, nice and neat.

:2wave:

I see that you're one of those on the right who replace what's actually written with something you can attack (the "straw man" evasion). "Moderate" (just ask him) Hateuy had that same defect and has already made several similar (uncannily so) laughably failed attempts to do this so you're a bit late and a lot of IQ short to the party. You should also look up some of the big words you use unless you like making a fool of yourself. And what is it with all the cute emoji use by you guys? Is that all the rage in middle school these days?
 
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If all you're referring to was the short list in your comment @ comment #78 are you suggesting they have to swear oath of loyalty just to be enter the US such as the one administered to naturalized citizens? Not every immigrant comes into this country with the intention of becoming a permanent immigrant or citizen. Some come in on work visas only. The do not have the rights of citizens so they should not be expected to make such an oath (unless you're fine with the tables being turned and the same thing applied to Americans going into other countries). Immigrants already go through a considerable screening process. It's not perfect and nothing ever will be. but it's as rigorous as any other open society's oversight can be. I don't think you know what you're talking about and threw out some barely-thought-out idea because is sounded reasonable to you but is absolutely not workable in the real world. Of course, you're free to revise or enlarge upon your statement in #78 which you could have done already instead playing dodgeball.

In the real world young men who have been indoctrinated to believe that women are to be treated as property and western civilization is evil can cause serious problems when turned loose into the very society they have been taught to despise.

I'm sorry if that upsets your tender sensibilities but some groups of people do pose a greater level of risk than others. We can and should take that into consideration when deciding who gets in and who doesn't.
 
I found exactly one case of a BHI man convicted of murdering his own son and one of his wives (based on his belief that the boy was homosexual). While this is a horrendous crime it's not at all related to some "black supremacy" motive or part of any kind of race war. BHI is certainly guilty of hate speech but you'll need to find a case of a race hate crime of any kind if you're going to try to put them in the category of people like Dylann Roof. In fact, the SPLC page on the BHIs is quite long but mentions not a single violent hate crime committed although notes that they are becoming more confrontational and militant in their rhetoric.

Review the Yahweh Ben Yahweh case. He was indicting for killing 14 people in Florida.
"In 1991, Mitchell was convicted of conspiring to murder white people as an initiation rite to his cult, as well as former members who disagreed with him, in one case by decapitation." From his Wikipedia page.

There's a video of Black Hebrews pushing and assaulting a woman in San Francisco, and she gets arrested! The police are afraid of lawsuits and bending over backwards to appease people who preach killing whites, Asians, Arabs, gays, and anyone else they happen to dislike.
 
the whole idea of ending racism is society getting to the point where we ignore race...
. consistent and continual focus on race ensures racism with exist in perpetuity.

as I see it, focusing on morons ,like white supremacists, empowers them...which perpetuates racism.



We won't end racism by ignoring racists. We need to shine a bright light on them every time that they raise their ugly heads.
 
I see that you're one of those on the right who replace what's actually written with something you can attack (the "straw man" evasion). "Moderate" (just ask him) Hateuy had that same defect and has already made several similar (uncannily so) laughably failed attempts to do this so you're a bit late and a lot of IQ short to the party. You should also look up some of the big words you use unless you like making a fool of yourself. And what is it with all the cute emoji use by you guys? Is that all the rage in middle school these days?

No, you don't see.

That's your problem.

:lol:
 
So, who gets to decide who's going to be assimilate adequately and what criteria would be applied? Sounds you really would like to have a police state system in place which would come up with a cultural purity test. Do you ever screen your thoughts before slapping them up?

Which color shirt are you wearing today? CONFORMITY IS MANDATORY, CITIZEN
 
Which color shirt are you wearing today? CONFORMITY IS MANDATORY, CITIZEN
I love your moniker for reasons you couldn't have foreseen when you chose it, and see my comment #172 below.
 
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Still crying yourself a river, we see.

You're doing a lot to avoid answering a simple request. It's not hard to see why. Tell us how I'm "right wing" again. Maybe that'll make us forget how silly your statements were.
 
You're doing a lot to avoid answering a simple request. It's not hard to see why. Tell us how I'm "right wing" again. Maybe that'll make us forget how silly your statements were.

You are "right wing" in a world where 1-99 is considered right and 100 is considered left.
 
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