What do you think of the current Pope?

[Medusa]

I equally dislike all popes but I know pope john paul 2 is said to be a kind pope.

 

[yankintx]

I equally dislike all popes but I know pope john paul 2 is said to be a kind pope.

JP was very instrumental in the fall of Communism in Eastern Europe, there are some very interesting docs going into detail how he aided Solidarity for a free Poland. Much of it was unknown at the time, the Party did not want JP2 to come home to preach, he went anyway, several times, speaking out against the Party, and deserves credit just as much as Reagan.

Pope Francis is a Jesuit, he has worked with the poor his entire career. I was not surprised he made the statement he did in regards to Trump.

 

[lb_on_teh_cb]

Pope Francis is a Jesuit, he has worked with the poor his entire career.

i heard he was hated in his own country.

 

[justabubba]

When you have the left, who hate any kind of organized religion and are mostly atheistic, all supporting and liking the Pope, while conservatives dislike him, it's time to sit up and take notice that maybe there is something wrong with this Pope.

or one could instead question "what is wrong with the 'conservatives'?"

 

[yankintx]

i heard he was hated in his own country.

Really ?

By who? The Gov?

 

[justabubba]

Lets see,

His weak and accommodating stance on homosexuality, then in a time of a declining and aging population, particularly in Europe, he has made statements against the tradition of large families, has accepted the outlandish lie of climate change, additionally his stances with environmentalists on things that have a true benefit to all mankind such as fracking, has contradicted the former Pope on whose realization that Marxism-Socialism is a failed system, has even called for redistribution of wealth on a state scale, the changes he has made to church policy regarding marriage and divorce...

I think you get the drift and those are a few of the more obvious ones.

agreed, he is trying to pull his church into the 21st century

 

[yankintx]

agreed, he is trying to pull his church into the 21st century

Yup

He is a Jesuit, not a strict dogma like Benedict.

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

agreed, he is trying to pull his church into the 21st century

That is a pretty noncommittal response. You calling that a good thing? Or a bad thing? Lenin and Stalin could have been considered trying to pull religion into the then 20th century by dragging them over a cliff.

 

[DA60]

As Pope's go...I really like him.

I still think all major religions are a complete and total wast of time though.

But for a Pope, he seems cool.

 

[Goshin]

While I do like him and some of the things he's done, it seems to me that he wants to be as much of a political figure as a religious one. I'm even ok with that but the he should expect the same push back and criticism as any other politician.

Mixed feelings. Early on I admired his decision to be personally more aesthetic and not live as luxuriously as had become traditional.


Traditionally, the office of the Pope has been a bit more wary and slow to mix in politics until now... and this Pope seems a bit too enamored of socialism to me.


Also he frequently seems to speak without carefully considering all the implications of what he said, and that is not a good habit for someone of his position.



But I'm not Catholic so what he says means no more to me personally than what is said by any other powerful public figure...

 

[Gaugingcatenate]

or one could instead question "what is wrong with the 'conservatives'?"

Nothing much, why?

 

[Ontologuy]

I'd probably like him more if he'd: 1) stay out of politics and stick to religion, and 2) tell his followers that they don't have to keep multiplying so much.

 

[Fearandloathing]

While I do like him and some of the things he's done, it seems to me that he wants to be as much of a political figure as a religious one. I'm even ok with that but the he should expect the same push back and criticism as any other politician.

Little or no time for the Catholic clergy at all.

As I read the teachings of Jesus I see no clergy at all, in fact Jesus preached against judging one another, which is the basis of the Catholic faith. Also, I believe one should look to one's self first, before advising or counseling others, and Francis has been fraudulent in dealing with widespread sex abuse in his clergy.

He was out of line completely in saying Trump by name is not a Christian; that is not a judgement any of us can place on another. His comments are utter hypocrisy while surrounded by the stench of the abuse of children and the on-going cover up.

If Francis wanted to change this world, he would fire every one of those abusers and kick them out of the church, then get rid of all the worldly trappings, his silk robes and fancy slippers, and dress in sack cloth in penance for the children have been harmed. Him doing that would show the humility we Christians are supposed to have and perhaps through that a few politicians might get the hint.

With this dolt it, his church is still "Do as I say", not do as I do.

 

[lb_on_teh_cb]

Really ?

By who? The Gov?

no, the people. i listen to some oddball radio on the internet though.

 

[Fenton]

He's a typically uniformed left wing hack who's made the foolish decision to comment on issues that are beyond his conprehension

He's not a God, no one should worship him or pray to him, he is a Man

 

[OpportunityCost]

He should not weigh in on a particular political candidate.

His comments and goals should be on a higher plane, no pun intended, literal meaning.

 

[Cryptic]

Mixed feelings. Early on I admired his decision to be personally more aesthetic and not live as luxuriously as had become traditional.
Traditionally, the office of the Pope has been a bit more wary and slow to mix in politics until now... and this Pope seems a bit too enamored of socialism to me.
Also he frequently seems to speak without carefully considering all the implications of what he said, and that is not a good habit for someone of his position.
But I'm not Catholic so what he says means no more to me personally than what is said by any other powerful public figure...

Very well said and expresses my feelings exactly. Though I am Catholic, I wince nearly everytime he gives another hasty press interview.

 

[akrunner88]

While I do like him and some of the things he's done, it seems to me that he wants to be as much of a political figure as a religious one. I'm even ok with that but the he should expect the same push back and criticism as any other politician.

He's the leader of the worlds largest child sex predator ring in the history of this Earth. He talks reform and has made legitimate attempts at it, so I'll give him credit.

 

[Cephus]

He talks a good game sometimes but he doesn't actually have any power to change any of the things that he says he wants to change, which makes him a pointless and powerless mouthpiece.

 

[Cephus]

I don't.
I've never been fascinated one way or the other by popes or the Catholic religion in general.
:shrug:

Edit: Though they get the cool things like exorcisms! So there's that.

Catholicism is not the only ones that support exorcism, you know.

 

[Cephus]

agreed, he is trying to pull his church into the 21st century

On some things, perhaps. On others, absolutely not. The problem is that the church has no interest in being part of the 21st century, they're still insisting on being part of the 10th century. That's why every time the Pope says something somewhat intelligent, someone in the Vatican has to stand up and tell us all what he really meant so that it doesn't violate church teachings.

 

[Cephus]

I'd probably like him more if he'd: 1) stay out of politics and stick to religion, and 2) tell his followers that they don't have to keep multiplying so much.

They have to multiply, that's the only way the RCC keeps making money. They're losing so many followers that they're having to close churches and Catholic schools.

 

[beefheart]

While I do like him and some of the things he's done, it seems to me that he wants to be as much of a political figure as a religious one. I'm even ok with that but the he should expect the same push back and criticism as any other politician.

I like him mostly, and I am a former catholic (K-12). He is a million times better than the corrupt old fool he replaced. There is finally a pope that is willing to have a bit of an open mind on some of the more stringent and nonsensical dogma of the church.

 

[beefheart]

He should not weigh in on a particular political candidate.

His comments and goals should be on a higher plane, no pun intended, literal meaning.

Then, a political candidate shouldn't ever talk religion, or try to change laws to reflect his particular religious bent, how about that?

 

[Peter King]

Better than his predecessors but he is still the pope and most of the Church is still totally out of touch with their followers and most importantly with our times in which people do not believe in things that easily anymore.