Video Shows Texas School Officer Body-Slamming 12-Year-Old Girl (2 Viewers)

[buck]

Oh lordie... a little girl is "kicking" a grown man :lol: What is she? Jet Li?

"Kicking"...

****ING SMASH HER HEAD INTO THE ****ING FLOOR THEN!!

For ****s sake the stupid in people astounds me...

I can only imagine all the 12 yo's you have over to the house to kick you in the balls.

 

[Fiddytree]

So many words with no paragraph, or periods.....Will have to read in the morning, and get back to ya....Thanks Fiddy, ttyl.

The paragraph issue looked different on my laptop. Small text on 1080p just before a cat nap does that, I guess.

 

[Bodi]

I can only imagine all the 12 yo's you have over to the house to kick you in the balls.

My daughter is 12 so there are 12 year olds over here all the time... and I like how you deflect the real issue... a grown man being "kicked" by a little girl and his response is to ****ing smassh the **** out of her by body slamming her on her head... what a ***** that cop is.

 

[RogueWarrior]

Not possible. As a sworn LEO, he can not stay out of a situation where the law is violated.

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LEOs do not have a 'special duty to protect anyone'. Nor, it seems, can they be sued when they don't do, what you say a LEO is sworn to do. The Lozito lawsuit is not the only one thrown out of court.
The public is literally on its own.

 

[Lursa]

No actually its not his job to protect her. Courts have ruled on that. A cops job is to stop crime. The consequence of that is about protection. But in the end the cops first job is to stop crime.

Well ok. Even so....stopping her from harming anyone else still falls under all the other options I mentioned, except letting her leave (which, if the school had a lockdown plan, which all do these days, dont they?) wouldnt happen either.

btw, I've written all he needs to do is 'stop' her multiple times in this tread.

 

[Lursa]

In my world you do not kick a policeman without suffering consequences. It's ridiculous to have a society where criminals have all the rights. You kick a policeman, you get body slammed down to the ground. If you don't want to get body slammed down to the ground then you don't kick the policeman. It's that simple.

It's a child in school. It's not up to ANY cops to discipline...that is up to the appropriate authorities, like the staff or school board or parents.

His job is to STOP her behavior and make the premises safe again.

 

[Lursa]

Unless you have more information than I do, we have no idea what she was doing. She could have been threatening to stab a kid for all we know (I don't think so...wouldn't be a good video to make money for the news). But his slam was not about "self righteousness." It wasn't obey or die. It was clearly reaction from training. Like I said before: it is EXACTLY what I would do if I were trying to control someone who needed to be controlled. I would put them on the floor face down with the exact method he did. But I wouldn't do it to a child. All I am saying is that that was bad training.

As for "deescalating," that is just a buzz word. Not everyone can be de escalated. They don't respond to verbal commands and that is all you have. And I certainly wouldn't want to let go of a suspect already in my control. Better to let them calm down with the cuffs on. Why? Because you would be in just as much hot water if you detained someone physically, let them go, and they harm someone.

All I'm saying is that the issue here is that this was bad training and piss poor reaction by someone who shouldn't have been a resource officer. And it was a failing on the administration as well. Ifs and buts on what control "should" be administered should be determined in training. Not determined by a jury afterwords. Juries should just determine reasonable force.

First, it still doesnt matter what she was doing before, there WAS no weapon. All the cop needed to do was stop her.

And I have been in law enforcement, going back to the 80s and 'de-escalation' is not some fad.

This was a kid in a school. That could have been kept in the school with a lockdown or picked up again at home. Again, all this really needs to be addressed by schools/school boards.

I appreciate your comments on the actual situation in the video but that's why the others dont seem appropriate here, dwelling on adult situations out in public.

 

[Lursa]

So, you don't give a sh!t about this 12 year old. .

Yes, because there will be no consequences beyond the cop restraining her from the school, the legal system, her parents..../sarcasm

Again, it is not the police's job to discipline...just stop dangerous or criminal situations and then let the proper authorities take further action.

 

[Excon]

Probably the vast majority of non-sissy **** ninny-men can restrain a 12 year old girls without training let alone being a cop with some training...

Your opinion is not objective reality.
It was a take down maneuver.

 

[Excon]

So what? The girl was suspended,

It is another indication that she was the one who was acting out wrongly.

the cop also deserves to be suspended for overreacting and using inappropriate violence.

You first have to show that it was an overreaction and inappropriate, something you haven't done.

So again. "If he had no other training in regards to taking down a young person, his actions are acceptable."

 

[NoC_T]

She is what, 5 ft 5, 110- 120 lbs max, and he could not control her.

I know women smaller than that who could hand you your ass.

 

[Moderate Right]

I can see what happened prior to the slam and she was not doing anything that warranted that type of over reaction...

So, you admit that she was indeed doing something. Way to go. Let's teach kids to go down this path of fighting with and disrespecting the police and see how they grow up.

 

[Moderate Right]

It's a child in school. It's not up to ANY cops to discipline...that is up to the appropriate authorities, like the staff or school board or parents.

His job is to STOP her behavior and make the premises safe again.

Sounds like he did his job to me then. He stopped her behavior and made the premises safe again. Kudos to the officer.

 

[Gaius46]

You have a 33 second video. Literally just 2 seconds into the video the cop takes her down. I'd say that what was going on previously was VERY relevant. For all of you know he had literally JUST grabbed her the moment that video started. Amazing what you all consider an outrage based on just 2 seconds of "evidence". I feel sorry for anyone brought before your jury panels.

Yeah well I kinda have a problem with strong throwing the weak around. Again at the point where he tossed her on the ground she was not a threat. That's all that matters.

 

[Gaius46]

I am not sure that LEO's need to be in every school, but some are pretty bad....as for "every little school yard disruption" I would just say, assault, is assault....And against the law. Maybe parents and teachers need to do a better job at teaching their kids not to assault people.

Yes but there's a qualitative difference between a school yard tussle and adults beating the crap out of each other. Don't know about you but as a kid I got into my share of fights with other kids. I guess should've been arrested a dozen or more times? That's really kinda silly don't you think?

I agree some schools probably need cops because but I think that's the exception. Cops really have no place in school dealing with students.

 

[blackjack50]

Can't really call it excessive when you don't know what happened to lead up to it. And I don't think she's all that small. She's about half a head shorter than the cop and taller than her mom.

Having grappling knowledge myself...I can tell you that her height doesn't matter. Her weight does. Especially with the hold he had. And again...he was only justified if she was trying to kill another student. So do you think that is what she was doing?

 

[blackjack50]

Appears there was going to be a fight.

In which case you break it up. That isn't hard. You can do it without body slamming. You can lift and escort out with that size difference.

 

[blackjack50]

First, it still doesnt matter what she was doing before, there WAS no weapon. All the cop needed to do was stop her.

It DOES matter what she was doing. That is how you determine if she is a threat to others. And if there was no weapon, there was no weapon. All I know is what I saw in the video. The OP provide no additional info on the incident.

And I have been in law enforcement, going back to the 80s and 'de-escalation' is not some fad.

Then you know that de-escalation doesn't always work, and just saying it in a forum doesn't make it magically work. What if he tried to do so prior to the video coming on? From what I could see...she needed to forcibly removed from the area. As YOU said, "separated from the herd."

This was a kid in a school. That could have been kept in the school with a lockdown or picked up again at home. Again, all this really needs to be addressed by schools/school boards.

I appreciate your comments on the actual situation in the video but that's why the others dont seem appropriate here, dwelling on adult situations out in public.

I mean clearly he acted as if he was controlling an adult. And that was not reasonable here.

 

[buck]

Yeah well I kinda have a problem with strong throwing the weak around. Again at the point where he tossed her on the ground she was not a threat. That's all that matters.

He was getting kicked, so he grabbed her specifically to take her down and put cuffs on and get the situation under control.

 

[JANFU]

In which case you break it up. That isn't hard. You can do it without body slamming. You can lift and escort out with that size difference.

I agree

 

[Gaius46]

He was getting kicked, so he grabbed her specifically to take her down and put cuffs on and get the situation under control.

I watched the video. Calling that a kick is a stretch. She was under control. And even there was no need to slam her to the ground, especially given the disparity in size and strength levels.

 

[buck]

I watched the video. Calling that a kick is a stretch. She was under control. And even there was no need to slam her to the ground, especially given the disparity in size and strength levels.

The kicking (according to multiple student witnesses) was prior to him picking her up.. and after he tried to resolve the situation peacefully.

In other words, she was kicking him (near the balls), he picked her up specifically to get her on the ground so he could cuff her. It was one move.

 

[BWG]

Thankfully she's been arrested.

Texas teacher arrested after video shows her slapping student

 

[clownboy]

It doesn't matter what led to the event.

Which is your way of dodging that the video is an incomplete depiction of the actual event, a lie so to speak.

 

[buck]

Thankfully she's been arrested.

Texas teacher arrested after video shows her slapping student

Wrong story.. Based on the comments I've heard on that story, though.. She certainly deserved charges and firing.