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Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he wins

Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

Good points here.

I'm not sure Trump is the guy to lead the party back to sanity...but "the trip back to sanity" is something the party be doing. It is telling that someone like Trump could actually be leading the way.

Its VERY sad when the GOP has gone so completely Wacko that Donald Trump is one of the more sane ones.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

Yeah, even if he has to act like Hitler in order to do it, huh? (e.g. make all Muslims register with the government, not allow Muslims to cross America's borders anymore, make it even easier to sue the press for libel, go door-to-door with "papers-please" gestapo to expel 12M undocumented immigrants) Gee, what could possibly go wrong?

But hey go full Godwin on post 7 on the first page, that will definitely make your case.


Um....

Trump DID say he wouldn't let any muslims into the US. Trump DID say he agreed with having all muslims register in a database and further things beyond that. Trump DID say that he wanted to make it easier to sue newspapers for libel whenever they print something an offended politician deems a "hit piece". Trump DID talk about getting rid of

The rhetorical flourish of "papers please" is hardly "full Godwin."




Oh, and btw, Mike Godwin himself wrote.......


"First, let me get this Donald Trump issue out of the way: If you’re thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler or Nazis when you talk about Trump."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...-make-sure-you-know-what-youre-talking-about/


He then explains why "Godwin's Law" was a reflection of how silly internet debates can get, but *not* intended to mean that nobody should compare anything to nazism.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

From my perspective the republican party has moved to the left steadily over the past 40 years. I'm a far-right extremist and I wouldn't vote for any of them.

I don't know how ANYONE could look at todays GOP and say that with a straight face.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

Um....

Trump DID say he wouldn't let any muslims into the US. Trump DID say he agreed with having all muslims register in a database and further things beyond that. Trump DID say that he wanted to make it easier to sue newspapers for libel whenever they print something an offended politician deems a "hit piece". Trump DID talk about getting rid of

The rhetorical flourish of "papers please" is hardly "full Godwin."




Oh, and btw, Mike Godwin himself wrote.......


"First, let me get this Donald Trump issue out of the way: If you’re thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler or Nazis when you talk about Trump."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...-make-sure-you-know-what-youre-talking-about/


He then explains why "Godwin's Law" was a reflection of how silly internet debates can get, but *not* intended to mean that nobody should compare anything to nazism.

Great post!
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

I don't know how ANYONE could look at todays GOP and say that with a straight face.

Your candidate and most of her staff are about to be under federal indictment. Wake up, cupcake.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

Who has promoted going door-to-door demanding, "papers please"? Source? No? Didn't think so.

Exactly how else would the American government under Trump find 12M illegal aliens, hm? There's no other way.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

Take the "reasonable suspicion" part out. I'm not in favor of that aspect at all. No, only during arrests and traffic stops should the immigration status be checked.

Problem is, the "reasonable suspicion" IS there. Do you really think that in the current mindset of the Right, that they would tolerate any "liberalization" to protect privacy rights in the oh-so-patriotic drive to rid America of 12M illegal aliens?
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

Exactly how else would the American government under Trump find 12M illegal aliens, hm? There's no other way.

Thanks for admitting you made it up.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

Your candidate and most of her staff are about to be under federal indictment. Wake up, cupcake.

LOL....if you actually believe that, I have some ocean-front property in Oklahoma that I'd like to sell to you.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

LOL....if you actually believe that, I have some ocean-front property in Oklahoma that I'd like to sell to you.

Dude, the FBI is carefully putting together an enormous case, and immunity will be granted to those who want to come the cleanest.

The FBI absolutely NEVER just toys around with things that might be true. They don't get involved until they KNOW it's true, and then they spend endless hours trying to get to the root of the entire story, not just the surface.

I've never seen the FBI call off an investigation like this with anything less than a slam dunk case.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

Problem is, the "reasonable suspicion" IS there. Do you really think that in the current mindset of the Right, that they would tolerate any "liberalization" to protect privacy rights in the oh-so-patriotic drive to rid America of 12M illegal aliens?

So let me get this straight? You think it's impossible to write a law without the reasonable suspicion" clause into a federal bill?
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

The cost of illegal immigration. That's the reason for asking for papers. By estimates over 110 billion per year on the local, state and federal levels.//http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

Where exactly in The Constitution is there a requirement for government to provide free housing, education and shelter? Yet, American government does. Even to undocumenteds.

Ah, the old "Illegal immigrants are destroying the economy!" line. Let's go bust a few myths here - and notice that this article from CNN includes studies and statements from both the VERY conservative Cato Institute and the VERY conservative Chamber of Commerce:

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Myth # 1: They don't pay taxes
Undocumented immigrants are already U.S. taxpayers.
Collectively, they paid an estimated $10.6 billion to state and local taxes in 2010, according to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), a research organization that works on tax policy issues. Contributions varied by state. In Montana they contributed $2 million. In California, more than $2.2 billion. On average they pay about 6.4% of their income in state and local taxes, ITEP said. A 2007 Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report on the impact of undocumented immigrants on the budgets of local and state governments cited IRS figures showing that 50% to 75% of the about 11 million unauthorized U.S. immigrants file and pay income taxes each year.

Myth # 2: They don't pay into Social Security
The truth is that undocumented immigrants contribute more in payroll taxes than they will ever consume in public benefits.
Take Social Security. According to the Social Security Administration (SSA), unauthorized immigrants -- who are not eligible to receive Social Security benefits -- have paid an eye-popping $100 billion into the fund over the past decade.
"They are paying an estimated $15 billion a year into Social Security with no intention of ever collecting benefits," Stephen Goss, chief actuary of the SSA told CNNMoney. "Without the estimated 3.1 million undocumented immigrants paying into the system, Social Security would have entered persistent shortfall of tax revenue to cover payouts starting in 2009," he said.

Myth #3: They drain the system
Undocumented immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. Most of these programs require proof of legal immigration status and under the 1996 welfare law, even legal immigrants cannot receive these benefits until they have been in the United States for more than five years.
Non-citizen immigrant adults and children are about 25% less likely to be signed up for Medicaid than their poor native-born equivalents and are also 37% less likely to receive food stamps, according to a 2013 study by the Cato Institute.
Citizen children of illegal immigrants -- often derogatorily referred to as "anchor babies" -- do qualify for social benefits. Also, undocumented immigrants are eligible for schooling and emergency medical care. Currently, the average unlawful immigrant household costs taxpayers $14,387 per household, according to a recent report by The Heritage Foundation. But in its 2013 "Immigration Myths and Facts" report, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce says most economists see providing these benefits as an investment for the future, when these children become workers and taxpayers.

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Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

Your candidate and most of her staff are about to be under federal indictment. Wake up, cupcake.
Possibly, but what the eff does that have to do with the ridiculous notion that the GOP has moved to the left? :shrug:
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

The cost of illegal immigration. That's the reason for asking for papers. By estimates over 110 billion per year on the local, state and federal levels.//http://www.fairus.org/publications/the-fiscal-burden-of-illegal-immigration-on-united-states-taxpayers

Where exactly in The Constitution is there a requirement for government to provide free housing, education and shelter? Yet, American government does. Even to undocumenteds.

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Myth # 4: They take American jobs
The American economy needs immigrant workers.
The belief that immigrants take jobs that can otherwise be filled by hard-working Americans has been disputed by an overwhelming number of economic research studies and data. Removing the approximately 8 million unauthorized workers in the United States would not automatically create 8 million job openings for unemployed Americans, said Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies, in his 2011 testimony before the House Judiciary Sub-committee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement.
The reason, according to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, is two-fold. For one, removing millions of undocumented workers from the economy would also remove millions of entrepreneurs, consumers and taxpayers. The economy would actually lose jobs. Second, native-born workers and immigrant workers tend to possess different skills that often complement one another.

Myth # 5: It's just a matter of following the law
Many Americans want immigrants to enter the country legally.
But under current immigration laws, there are very few options for legal immigration, the costs are increasingly prohibitive and the wait for any kind of status can be long and frustrating. According to the State Department, that imaginary "immigration line" is already 4.4 million people long and depending on the type of visa sought and the country of origin, the wait can be years to decades long. In some countries, such as the Philippines and Mexico people have been waiting over 20 years for approval of a family-sponsored visa.
Immigrants can legally get to the U.S by being sponsored by an employer or a family member, they can enter the country as refugees, or they could receive one of the selectively distributed professional or diversity visas. The Diversity Visa Program makes 55,000 green cards available to persons from countries with low rates of immigration to the U.S. According to the State Department, the fees to obtain permanent U.S. visas can range from $200 to over $700, excluding legal fees. Plus, there are visa quotas which limits immigration from any given country.
In many poor, violence-ridden countries, or in cases where parents are separated from their children, immigrants say the wait is unbearable, leaving many to resort to illegal border crossing. That journey can be expensive and deadly. Smugglers charge anywhere from $3000 to upwards of $70,000 depending on country of origin, mode of transport and distance travelled according to the Mexican Migration Project, a multidisciplinary research effort between investigators in Mexico and the U.S. Many don't make it. According to federal records, more than 6,000 immigrants have died crossing the southern border since 1998.

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On a final note, it took 25 years for my wife's brothers to immigrate here. She came here as an illegal back in 1981, and became a citizen under the Reagan amnesty...and she's been a business owner providing jobs for Americans for 16 years. In other words, I know the immigrant community, both legal and illegal (and I worked for Immigration for a while, too)...and as you can see above from your OWN best-and-brightest organizations - the Cato Institute and the Chamber of Commerce - we need them at least as much as they need us.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

Dude, the FBI is carefully putting together an enormous case, and immunity will be granted to those who want to come the cleanest.

The FBI absolutely NEVER just toys around with things that might be true. They don't get involved until they KNOW it's true, and then they spend endless hours trying to get to the root of the entire story, not just the surface.

I've never seen the FBI call off an investigation like this with anything less than a slam dunk case.

Okie Dokie. Pin your hopes on that. At least you always have Benghazi to fall back on for the 5693rd time.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

From my perspective the republican party has moved to the left steadily over the past 40 years. I'm a far-right extremist and I wouldn't vote for any of them.

Yeah, like when most of the GOP establishment agreed that anthropomorphic global warming was a problem, that abortion was a right, that the Voting Rights Act was a great thing that MUST be reapproved in toto, and that we should give amnesty to illegal aliens, huh?

Yep - ALL these have been supported by the GOP...but in "fmw world", the GOP somehow has moved LEFT in their quest to reject all these!
 
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Myth # 4: They take American jobs
The American economy needs immigrant workers.
The belief that immigrants take jobs that can otherwise be filled by hard-working Americans has been disputed by an overwhelming number of economic research studies and data. Removing the approximately 8 million unauthorized workers in the United States would not automatically create 8 million job openings for unemployed Americans, said Daniel Griswold, director of the Cato Institute's Center for Trade Policy Studies, in his 2011 testimony before the House Judiciary Sub-committee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement.
The reason, according to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, is two-fold. For one, removing millions of undocumented workers from the economy would also remove millions of entrepreneurs, consumers and taxpayers. The economy would actually lose jobs. Second, native-born workers and immigrant workers tend to possess different skills that often complement one another

Temporary Visa Workers Replace American Empoyees Then Send Jobs Back OVerseas.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

Okie Dokie. Pin your hopes on that. At least you always have Benghazi to fall back on for the 5693rd time.

You've already had 20,000 Democrats officially switch to the GOP this week. Who knows how many others unofficially? Trump could win New York, for crying out loud, and I can't stand the guy.

Not to mention, almost nobody is showing up for the Democrat primaries, and Hillary is detested worse than Trump among your own party.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

Possibly, but what the eff does that have to do with the ridiculous notion that the GOP has moved to the left? :shrug:

The GOP hasn't moved anywhere, but Trump will if he's elected. That's what all these new voters fail to realize. They're new to the game in Washington.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

The GOP hasn't moved anywhere, but Trump will if he's elected. That's what all these new voters fail to realize. They're new to the game in Washington.
Maybe, but still makes your Hillary post curious.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

Maybe, but still makes your Hillary post curious.

You'd have to read the full exchange with Disneydork.
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win


And you just committed the logical fallacy of cherry-picking. Why? Because what you're referring to, while it DOES happen, is small change indeed when compared to the benefits - and the jobs - they bring TO America. Or haven't you noticed that the very people who are telling you about these benefits are the best and the brightest among the Right, the Cato Institute and the Chamber of Commerce?

In other words, it's not as if it's some liberal shill who's telling you that getting rid of the illegals is a very bad idea - it's your OWN best and brightest!

Oh, and one more thing - if illegal immigration has been so terrible for the economy, exactly how is it that we're still in the middle of the longest private-sector job-growth streak in American history, hm?
 
Re: Mitch Mcconnell says republicans will drop Donald Trump like a hot rock if he win

And you just committed the logical fallacy of cherry-picking. Why? Because what you're referring to, while it DOES happen, is small change indeed when compared to the benefits - and the jobs - they bring TO America. Or haven't you noticed that the very people who are telling you about these benefits are the best and the brightest among the Right, the Cato Institute and the Chamber of Commerce?

In other words, it's not as if it's some liberal shill who's telling you that getting rid of the illegals is a very bad idea - it's your OWN best and brightest!

Oh, and one more thing - if illegal immigration has been so terrible for the economy, exactly how is it that we're still in the middle of the longest private-sector job-growth streak in American history, hm?

I hardly call CATO INSTITUTE which was founded by one of the Koch brothers and the other is on the board of directors. The CATO institute has a political agenda. Of course they love illegal immigrants and will use any justification to allow more. It's good business for them to hire people under the table.
 
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