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What about Christians who try to make atheists feel guilty?
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If You're MAGA You Won't Get Into Heaven
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What about Christians who try to make atheists feel guilty?
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Actually, it's about arrogant non-believers who think they know what Christianity is about - and it ain't about politics
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I think non-believers understand Christianity much better than Christians do.
Who do you think understands Scientology better? Those deep in Scientology... or those standing outside of it?
The OP defines what the discussion is about.
The religion lays down principles of behavior for getting into heaven. Those who do not abide will have to answer for their choices on judgement day. At some point people have to decide. Are they really the believers they say they are? Or are they letting politics and propaganda confuse their convictions...
Christianity is not about hating people. Not about turning away the needy and hungry at the border. The Bible doesn't say do that. Not very Christian behavior to be chintzy with the bounty of America. The Bible doesn't say anything about America.
But the Statue of Liberty says:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
Immigration built America.
Immigrants are not why things cost more and money doesn't go as far as it used to.
Corporate greed. There's your culprit.
The rich and powerful who make all the decisions affecting our lives are telling us to blame the powerless immigrants who have no control over our lives.
Of course they are going to say that. They don't want us to focus on them. They don't want us to rise up against corporate greed. They want to keep us distracted from it, give us someone else to blame. A scapegoat. Immigrants!
But really, it is the powerful corporations controlling government, controlling our lives, making things more difficult, squeezing us for more and more money, making it harder and harder to get by. Paying less for work. Charging more for products. Making product contents smaller and smaller. Immigrants are not doing that!
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They're Christians!
They're supposed to!
Kidding aside - Christians aren't trying to make you feel guilty. They're trying...................................... to help SAVE YOU!
You feel guilty..............because you're going against your natural inclination to worship GOD.
there's the difference, watsup.
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It's how you take it.
That's your own perception of it.
That doesn't mean though that it's true.
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@Peacenik
I'm not saying it's easy.
I would rather focused more on immigrants waiting in line - following the proper protocol!
THEY, TOO........want to flee to the USA!
It says a lot for them to be following rules - even though they're as desperate as those illegally surging at the borders!
At least - we can see that those in line are LAW-ABIDING people!
Shouldn't that be a huge plus point for them?
WHY ARE THEY BEING IGNORED, AND VICTIMIZED................................................ BY THOSE WHO ARE JUMPING THE LINE, AND THOSE WHO SUPPORT THE JUMPERS?
Jesus could very well ask you: IS THAT FAIR? IS THAT JUST?
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My problem is how MAGA people are being demonized........................................ for wanting a fair and practical security at the border.
Yes - they want to rectify the improper protocol at the border.
You gotta have a WALL!
That's one deterrent.
Having a wall will make people think thrice if it's worth all the trouble and risk of travelling to the borders.
lol - that was what Jews did!
Lest any man falsely tells you that building a wall around your borders, is UNBIBLICAL....................the answer is, THEY'RE WRONG!
The Walls that Nehemiah Built: The Town of Jerusalem in the Persian Period
Nehemiah 2:11-15 recounts how the prophet arrives in Jerusalem and immediately sets out in the night with some of his men to inspect the town walls.
What he encounters is terrifying.
The walls are demolished, the gates reduced to ashes. In some places it is impossible to continue because of the amount of debris on the slope.
Nehemiah decides that the fortifications have to be rebuilt.
Nehemiah 3 is even more specific. Families and professional groups take on the responsibility for repairing stretches of the wall, while gates are provided with attics, doors, bolts and bars, and towers are rebuilt.
The high priest Eliashib, for example, rebuilds the Sheep Gate together with his fellow priests, while the sons of Hassenaah tackle the Fish Gate.
The Walls that Nehemiah Built: The Town of Jerusalem in the Persian Period | Bible Interp
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Jews were ARMED TO FIGHT - while they frantically built their walls!
Nehemiah 4
Opposition to the Rebuilding
4 [a]When Sanballat heard that we were rebuilding the wall, he became angry and was greatly incensed. He ridiculed the Jews,2 and in the presence of his associates and the army of Samaria, he said, “What are those feeble Jews doing? Will they restore their wall? Will they offer sacrifices? Will they finish in a day?
Can they bring the stones back to life from those heaps of rubble—burned as they are?”
3 Tobiah the Ammonite, who was at his side, said, “What they are building—even a fox climbing up on it would break down their wall of stones!”
4 Hear us, our God, for we are despised. Turn their insults back on their own heads. Give them over as plunder in a land of captivity.
5 Do not cover up their guilt or blot out their sins from your sight, for they have thrown insults in the face of[b] the builders.
6 So we rebuilt the wall till all of it reached half its height, for the people worked with all their heart.
7 But when Sanballat, Tobiah, the Arabs, the Ammonites and the people of Ashdod heard that the repairs to Jerusalem’s walls had gone ahead and that the gaps were being closed, they were very angry.
8 They all plotted together to come and fight against Jerusalem and stir up trouble against it. 9 But we prayed to our God and posted a guard day and night to meet this threat.
10 Meanwhile, the people in Judah said, “The strength of the laborers is giving out, and there is so much rubble that we cannot rebuild the wall.”
11 Also our enemies said, “Before they know it or see us, we will be right there among them and will kill them and put an end to the work.”
12 Then the Jews who lived near them came and told us ten times over, “Wherever you turn, they will attack us.”
13 Therefore I stationed some of the people behind the lowest points of the wall at the exposed places, posting them by families, with their swords, spears and bows.
14 After I looked things over, I stood up and said to the nobles, the officials and the rest of the people, “Don’t be afraid of them. Remember the Lord, who is great and awesome,
and fight for your families, your sons and your daughters, your wives and your homes.”
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Are you serious?
hahahaha - how can they?
When they don't even understand CHRISTIANITY!
Those standing outside of it would have understood squat about it................................... had some of those who were deep inside it, not come out to expose it. Duh.
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That's so naive.
Those huddled masses who came to America, had followed the proper protocol for entry!
There was also resistance to immigrants!
January 1776: Thomas Paine publishes a pamphlet, “Common Sense,” that argues for American independence. Most colonists consider themselves Britons, but Paine makes the case for a new American. “Europe, and not England, is the parent country of America. This new world hath been the asylum for the persecuted lovers of civil and religious liberty from every part of Europe,” he writes.
March 1790: Congress passes the first law about who should be granted U.S. citizenship. The Naturalization Act of 1790 allows any free white person of “good character,” who has been living in the United States for two years or longer, to apply for citizenship. Without citizenship, nonwhite residents are denied basic constitutional protections, including the right to vote, own property, or testify in court.
1819: Many of newcomers arrive sick or dying from their long journey across the Atlantic in cramped conditions. The immigrants overwhelm major port cities, including New York City, Boston, Philadelphia and Charleston.
In response, the United States passes the Steerage Act of 1819 requiring better conditions on ships arriving to the country.
The Act also calls for ship captains to submit demographic information on passengers, creating the first federal records on the ethnic composition of immigrants to the United States.
1849: America’s first anti-immigrant political party, the Know-Nothing Party forms, as a backlash to the increasing number of German and Irish immigrants settling in the United States.
1875: Following the Civil War, some states passed their own immigration laws. In 1875 the Supreme Court declares that it’s the responsibility of the federal government to make and enforce immigration laws.
1880: As America begins a rapid period of industrialization and urbanization, a second immigration boom begins. Between 1880 and 1920, more than 20 million immigrants arrive. The majority are from Southern, Eastern and Central Europe, including 4 million Italians and 2 million Jews. Many of them settle in major U.S. cities and work in factories.
1882: The Chinese Exclusion Act passes, which bars Chinese immigrants from entering the United States. Beginning in the 1850s, a steady flow of Chinese workers had immigrated to America.
1891: The Immigration Act of 1891 further excludes who can enter the United States, barring the immigration of polygamists, people convicted of certain crimes, and the sick or diseased.
The Act also created a federal office of immigration to coordinate immigration enforcement and a corps of immigration inspectors stationed at principle ports of entry.
ETC......
U.S. Immigration Timeline: Definition & Reform - HISTORY
A timeline of U.S. immigration shows how, from the 1600s to today, the United States became a nation of people from hundreds of cultures, languages and beliefs.
www.history.com
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You're beginning to sound like a socialist!
baloney!
Say that to Americans living along the borders!
Some cities even far from the borders are being affected!
Like it or not, it will have some control over your lives!
They showed a place in the US where sidewalks were filled with flea-market types of vendors!
The place was littered!
Lol - imagine how your home value depreciates fast! Who'd want to buy your house?
Venezuelan migrant who entered US illegally charged with raping teen girl in Virginia
Authorities in Virginia are vowing to seek justice after a Venezuelan migrant in the country illegally was charged with sexually assaulting a 14-year-old girl.
nypost.com
Haitian Migrant in Massachusetts Is Charged With Raping a Teenager
The suspect and the 15-year-old were both living in a hotel that currently serves as a migrants shelter. The charge comes amid heightened scrutiny over America’s immigration policy.
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You strike me as someone who has spent much time in the real world.
Number one, it's not
Wel, I'm just a lowly Anglican Priest who is tired of reading and hearing this politically oriented rant.
Where in hell do you get off judging others for what you yourself are doing? Get the beam out of your own eye before you judge others for having a splinter in theirs.
The "Bounty of America" is not mine to give and it's not yours. I can only give what I own. We elected Caesar to do that for us.
But the Statue of Liberty says:
Look in D.C. for the "rich and powerful" where the hypocrite Joe Biden tells us to "pay our fair share" while his son has paid nothing in taxes on his ill-gotten gains.
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And you prove my point. Put yourself in their place. Consider what choice you would make.
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Put yourself in the place of the poor immigrant who's following the laws of US immigration system.
He's desperate, and yet he wants to abide by the law.
He's waiting in line. Waiting for his turn.
Look how he's being trampled not only by illegal immigrants who jump the line........but also, being betrayed by progressive AMERICANS, who'd rather support the unlawful!
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As you see, in earlier days except for the Chinese Exclusion Act America worked to welcome people even in great masses. We didn't treat them very well, but we actively helped their immigration. Now we don't. It has nothing to do with a wall. This isn't the Persian Empire.
That's so naive.
Those huddled masses who came to America, had followed the proper protocol for entry!
There was also resistance to immigrants!
January 1776: Thomas Paine publishes a pamphlet, “Common Sense,” that argues for American independence. Most colonists consider themselves Britons, but Paine makes the case for a new American. “Europe, and not England, is the parent country of America. This new world hath been the asylum for the persecuted lovers of civil and religious liberty from every part of Europe,” he writes.
March 1790: Congress passes the first law about who should be granted U.S. citizenship. The Naturalization Act of 1790 allows any free white person of “good character,” who has been living in the United States for two years or longer, to apply for citizenship. Without citizenship, nonwhite residents are denied basic constitutional protections, including the right to vote, own property, or testify in court.
1819: Many of newcomers arrive sick or dying from their long journey across the Atlantic in cramped conditions. The immigrants overwhelm major port cities, including New York City, Boston, Philadelphia and Charleston.
In response, the United States passes the Steerage Act of 1819 requiring better conditions on ships arriving to the country.
The Act also calls for ship captains to submit demographic information on passengers, creating the first federal records on the ethnic composition of immigrants to the United States.
1849: America’s first anti-immigrant political party, the Know-Nothing Party forms, as a backlash to the increasing number of German and Irish immigrants settling in the United States.
1875: Following the Civil War, some states passed their own immigration laws. In 1875 the Supreme Court declares that it’s the responsibility of the federal government to make and enforce immigration laws.
1880: As America begins a rapid period of industrialization and urbanization, a second immigration boom begins. Between 1880 and 1920, more than 20 million immigrants arrive. The majority are from Southern, Eastern and Central Europe, including 4 million Italians and 2 million Jews. Many of them settle in major U.S. cities and work in factories.
1882: The Chinese Exclusion Act passes, which bars Chinese immigrants from entering the United States. Beginning in the 1850s, a steady flow of Chinese workers had immigrated to America.
1891: The Immigration Act of 1891 further excludes who can enter the United States, barring the immigration of polygamists, people convicted of certain crimes, and the sick or diseased.
The Act also created a federal office of immigration to coordinate immigration enforcement and a corps of immigration inspectors stationed at principle ports of entry.
ETC......
U.S. Immigration Timeline: Definition & Reform - HISTORY
A timeline of U.S. immigration shows how, from the 1600s to today, the United States became a nation of people from hundreds of cultures, languages and beliefs.
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Not only in the Chinese Act.
1849: America’s first anti-immigrant political party, the Know-Nothing Party forms, as a backlash to the increasing number of German and Irish immigrants settling in the United States.
READ!
It started from the very beginning - it seems immigrants allowed would be from EUROPE!
In the years between 1880 and 1900, there was a large acceleration in immigration, with an influx of nearly nine million people.
Most were European, and many were fleeing persecution: Russian Jews fled to escape pogroms, and Armenians looked to escape increasing oppression and violence.
In the late 1800s, large steamships made immigration easier, and many young Europeans from southeastern, central, and eastern Europe made their way to the U.S. Italians and central Europeans from countries like Italy, Hungary, Poland, and Greece sometimes traveled back and forth more than once for job opportunities not available to them at home.
These so-called birds of passage sometimes would go on to send for their families, while others would eventually go home for good.
U.S. Immigration Laws in the 1800s
Prior to 1855, there were no official receiving stations for immigrants, who after a long voyage to a new land were often met by grifters and thieves. But immigrants who came to the U.S. by sea in the second half of the 1800s were processed at a number of ports.Castle Garden: In July 1855 the receiving station at Castle Garden in New York City opened, in part to help warn the new arrivals and instruct them to avoid being taken advantage of when they left the facility. It also served as a place where immigrants could be screened for contagious diseases.
U.S. Immigration in the 1800s | Ancestry® Family History Learning Hub
The 1800s is one of the eras known for high levels of immigration to the U.S. Ancestry® can help you find the story of immigrant ancestors in your family tree.
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Immigrants were accepted in masses, yes.
But - they all were processed.
They followed protocol.
that's the point.
Of course, the laws would be adjusted to suit the times.........................thus perhaps, laws now are more restrictive.
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Put yourself in the place of any of them fearing for their lives. Waiting means something terrible and never getting to the day to escape a terrible fate. It means giving up all hope.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/why-don’t-they-just-get-line
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Because it was easy. The main protocol when most of our ancestors came was to arrive.
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The truth is that we welcomed them when we wanted to use them as cheap labor. It’s always been about this.
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Yes. But vastly different from the USA today.
A different time then, for a very young AMERICA, trying to develop itself.
If I'm not mistaken........................many of these immigrants were the settlers - the ones who crossed the plains in wagon trains, faced numerous dangers and hardships, and cultivated the land.
American frontier, in United States history, the advancing border that marked those lands that had been settled by Europeans.
It is characterized by the westward movement of European settlers from their original settlements on the Atlantic coast (17th century) to the Far West (19th century).
American frontier | Definition, Significance, & Maps
American frontier, in United States history, the advancing border that marked those lands that had been settled by Europeans. It is characterized by the westward movement of European settlers from their original settlements on the Atlantic coast in the early 17th century to the Far West in the...
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When the Swiss emigrated to the Wild West - SWI swissinfo.ch
A photo reportage on the lives of Swiss-Italian settlers in Butte - a former boomtown in the American West.
www.swissinfo.ch
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And I agree with that. And the people who come here next may be as productive for America's future as past immigrants were to America's past.Yes. But vastly different from the USA today.
A different time then, for a very young AMERICA, trying to develop itself.
If I'm not mistaken........................many of these immigrants were the settlers - the ones who crossed the plains in wagon trains, faced numerous dangers and hardships, and cultivated the land.
American frontier, in United States history, the advancing border that marked those lands that had been settled by Europeans.
It is characterized by the westward movement of European settlers from their original settlements on the Atlantic coast (17th century) to the Far West (19th century).
American frontier | Definition, Significance, & Maps
American frontier, in United States history, the advancing border that marked those lands that had been settled by Europeans. It is characterized by the westward movement of European settlers from their original settlements on the Atlantic coast in the early 17th century to the Far West in the...
When the Swiss emigrated to the Wild West - SWI swissinfo.ch
A photo reportage on the lives of Swiss-Italian settlers in Butte - a former boomtown in the American West.
Right. Got it.
So leave the ultimate judgement of MAGA up to the almighty on that fateful day. That is exactly what the OP says.
Then MAGA will have to answer to the almighty for their decisions to go with shallow peer pressure. MAGA will be judged for:
Supporting a rapist;
Supporting a fraudster and a liar;
Supporting a false prophet;
Worshiping another God;
Supporting a selfish greedy mean and nasty rich man who covets wealth and power more than anything;
Supporting a mean person who takes pleasure in insulting and making fun of others and making others feel badly.
Supporting one who abuses power;
Taking part in and/or supporting those who attacked our own government and the seat of our security in Blessed America;
Being mean to those who are different;
Being mean to those who hold different political views;
Being mean to those who love in a different way;
Being white supremacists. Being mean to the needy;
Being stingy to the hungry immigrants who have traveled a very long and difficult journey to join us in this bountiful place of plenty.
Each needs to ask of themselves when deciding what is the correct path: What would Jesus do?
Would Jesus turn the hungry away?
Good luck to MAGA trying to get into heaven.
MAGA needs to stop and repent before it's too late if they want to get into the promised land. The road to the promised land is not paved with selfish acts nor peer pressure. Each needs to ask of themselves if they are really doing the correct thing.
The above is a cheap trashy post.
Making it about the other poster is like forfeiting the argument. It is the same as saying one has no good argument, so instead, the intent is to change the topic, throw the other person off guard by placing them personally on the defensive.
Anyone in a debate who has a good argument uses that good argument, and does not distract from it with cheap personal attacks.
They do not stoop to trying to make it about the other person, a weak debate tactic at best. (The tactic scores very low in moderated debates.)
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Just 'cause it doesn't exist or some other reason?
