How do we stop school shootings?

[Josie]

Trump has no knowledge or positions on anything other than what's good for Trump.

And one of those things he'll do if he's President again is confiscate firearms, right?

 

[trixare4kids]

Bullshit, there have never been as many guns in this country than there are right now. Screw your percentages, more guns means more gun deaths.

I am a gun owner, have about a dozen, mostly hunting but some handguns and a WWII assault type weapon (30cal carbine). but I also don't deny simple fact.

Talk about a non-point. Or better yet, your point is self-contradictory, an oxymoron.

You can have a dozen guns but nobody else should because guns mean more gun deaths. Cute.

 

[trixare4kids]

Trump has no knowledge or positions on anything other than what's good for Trump.

Prove your point for those of us are watching the show.

 

[Mungo Jerry]

That's a false premise. Australia bought back their guns.

What do you suppose the compliance rate will be in the US?

How many mass shootings did Australia have last year compared to the USA?

Post hoc fallacy.

 

[trixare4kids]

People need to be willing to give them up, like another killer, smoking.

Gun collectors, or those who own guns for self-defense are killing themselves?

Go ahead and show your proof.

 

[Mungo Jerry]

Civilians (other than hunting rifles) don't need weapons.

Your perception of need does not matter.
"All bearable arms".

Australia did it,

Did.... what?

 

[trixare4kids]

Your perception of need does not matter.
"All bearable arms".

Did.... what?

When will some come to the realization that we fought a War for Independence, so as not to be like them?

 

[Mungo Jerry]

People need to be willing to give them up,

Convince us.
Lay out the rational, reasoned argument what will convince us to give up our guns.
Note that in a rational, reasoned argument...
You don;'t get to use appeals to emotion.
You don't get to use appeals to popularity.
You don't get to use post hoc fallacies
You -do- have to prove any necessary relationship you claim.

Ready? Go!

 

[Mungo Jerry]

More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2021 than in any other year on record.

What % of firearms in the US did not kill anyone in 2021?

 

[Mungo Jerry]

When will some come to the realization that we fought a War for Independence, so as not to be like them?

They have been pacified.
We have not.

 

[Peacenik]

School shootings are statistically insignificant in the US when compared with other causes of death.

The number of times a gun kept in the home is used for personal defense is statistically insignificant compared to the number of tragic gun deaths of children.

Gun deaths are the number one cause of child deaths in America.

 

[Peacenik]

All of them? Some of them?

An argument could certainly be made for responsible ownership, which would have to be certified and documented, of course. That would be a reasonable compromise. But since that is not being discussed, and gun deaths have become the number one cause of child deaths, including the growing number of horrific school shootings, we are rapidly moving beyond a compromise position as support is building for a complete repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

It is becoming obvious we can't let just anybody have guns anymore. Guns are dangerous. Guns need to be registered and insured. Owners should demonstrate proficiency and responsibility, pass regular psyche evaluations, and undergo regular training and certification.

It may be needed to repeal the 2nd and replace it with something modern which allows the above compromise but still permits responsible safe gun ownership.

If this compromise cannot be achieved then the next logical position is a complete repeal of the 2nd, which is functionally obsolete.

 

[SMTA]

The number of times a gun kept in the home is used for personal defense is statistically insignificant compared to the number of tragic gun deaths of children.

Gun deaths are the number one cause of child deaths in America.

Nothing has or will change for lawful gun owners.

 

[Peacenik]

Total enrollment about 1,000 kids.
Maybe 1 or 2 parents at a board meeting.
They’re just too busy to care.

Thank capitalism for that. Greedy profiteers forcing workers to spend all their time spinning their wheels just trying to make ends meet all so a few people can have more wealth than could ever be spent in a lifetime. This is the reality behind increasing wealth disparity. Most people have no idea, can't even put a figure on just how wealthy the super-rich are. But the fact is that wealth comes from everyone else who works for a living. All the productivity of all the workers is what generates the wealth of the nation. It could be redistributed far more equitably, but the reality is most of it goes to those who don't need it and most who could use some more only have to work harder and harder just to make ends meet. Welcome to the new world of capitalist lords and serfs.

 

[poppopfox]

An argument could certainly be made for responsible ownership, which would have to be certified and documented, of course. That would be a reasonable compromise. But since that is not being discussed, and gun deaths have become the number one cause of child deaths, including the growing number of horrific school shootings, we are rapidly moving beyond a compromise position as support is building for a complete repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

It is becoming obvious we can't let just anybody have guns anymore. Guns are dangerous. Guns need to be registered and insured. Owners should demonstrate proficiency and responsibility, pass regular psyche evaluations, and undergo regular training and certification.

It may be needed to repeal the 2nd and replace it with something modern which allows the above compromise but still permits responsible safe gun ownership.

If this compromise cannot be achieved then the next logical position is a complete repeal of the 2nd, which is functionally obsolete.

 

[Peacenik]

Nothing has or will change for lawful gun owners.

Many of the horrific senseless public mass shootings, including school shootings, are perpetrated by once 'lawful gun owners' who are completely lawful up until the moment they begin shooting.

Often the only difference between a lawful gun owner and a senseless mass shooter is the act of pulling the trigger.

The crazy lunatic inside is clamoring to be set free and builds curiosity over what it's like to mow down innocent people until the urge can no longer be resisted and the shooter finally takes that fateful action.

What makes that happen? Often the killer ends up dead so that cannot be asked why they did it. Other times a lawyer advises them to shut up and say nothing. Nothing requires them to answer for their actions. Sometimes they write a manifesto which often leaves grieving survivors more questions than answers.

Something should be done to ensure that psychologically unsound people do not get guns.

President Biden has tried to implement background checks for all gun sales. Republicans are fighting it. That makes no sense. Why? Do Republicans like senseless school shootings? Do they want to see ever more horrific tragedies?

Or is it that Republicans get so much money from the NRA they can't pass it up and are willing to withstand public criticism to get that money and get that power.

 

[RF667799]

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Not true. The Gun Control Industry finds mass shootings to be most lucrative. That's why they're always looking for more ways to define them.

 

[RF667799]

Many of the horrific senseless public mass shootings, including school shootings, are perpetrated by once 'lawful gun owners' who are completely lawful up until the moment they begin shooting.

Often the only difference between a lawful gun owner and a senseless mass shooter is the act of pulling the trigger.

The crazy lunatic inside is clamoring to be set free and builds curiosity over what it's like to mow down innocent people until the urge can no longer be resisted and the shooter finally takes that fateful action.

What makes that happen? Often the killer ends up dead so that cannot be asked why they did it. Other times a lawyer advises them to shut up and say nothing. Nothing requires them to answer for their actions. Sometimes they write a manifesto which often leaves grieving survivors more questions than answers.

Something should be done to ensure that psychologically unsound people do not get guns.

President Biden has tried to implement background checks for all gun sales. Republicans are fighting it. That makes no sense. Why? Do Republicans like senseless school shootings? Do they want to see ever more horrific tragedies?

Or is it that Republicans get so much money from the NRA they can't pass it up and are willing to withstand public criticism to get that money and get that power.

Or is most of what you write rampant speculation and rabid partisanship?

 

[RF667799]

An argument could certainly be made for responsible ownership, which would have to be certified and documented, of course. That would be a reasonable compromise. But since that is not being discussed, and gun deaths have become the number one cause of child deaths, including the growing number of horrific school shootings, we are rapidly moving beyond a compromise position as support is building for a complete repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

It is becoming obvious we can't let just anybody have guns anymore. Guns are dangerous. Guns need to be registered and insured. Owners should demonstrate proficiency and responsibility, pass regular psyche evaluations, and undergo regular training and certification.

It may be needed to repeal the 2nd and replace it with something modern which allows the above compromise but still permits responsible safe gun ownership.

If this compromise cannot be achieved then the next logical position is a complete repeal of the 2nd, which is functionally obsolete.

There's no compromise in your position, and repealing the 2nd isn't your "next logical position". You mention it throughout your post.

 

[L88]

I had a DP member say to me recently that we aren't arguing about the right things. We should be focusing more on issues like school shootings. I agree that school shootings are a big concern. I wanted to start a conversation about why we think school shootings are happening and what can be done to decrease them and or reduce the risk.

What are folks thoughts? I created a poll with some options. But I'd love to hear other ideas.

Why do school shootings occur? <<This Why are students returning to their schools and killing fellow clasemates and teachers? What is happening to them at school that elicits this extreme reation to their school?

 

[PoliticalDJ101]

@L88

"This Why are students returning to their schools and killing fellow clasemates and teachers? What is happening to them at school that elicits this extreme reation to their school?"

Why do you think?

 

[L88]

@L88

"This Why are students returning to their schools and killing fellow clasemates and teachers? What is happening to them at school that elicits this extreme reation to their school?"

Why do you think?

I have no idea but it seems like the schools need to discover the cause to remove this kind of threat.

 

[SMTA]

Many of the horrific senseless public mass shootings, including school shootings, are perpetrated by once 'lawful gun owners' who are completely lawful up until the moment they begin shooting.

Often the only difference between a lawful gun owner and a senseless mass shooter is the act of pulling the trigger.

The crazy lunatic inside is clamoring to be set free and builds curiosity over what it's like to mow down innocent people until the urge can no longer be resisted and the shooter finally takes that fateful action.

What makes that happen? Often the killer ends up dead so that cannot be asked why they did it. Other times a lawyer advises them to shut up and say nothing. Nothing requires them to answer for their actions. Sometimes they write a manifesto which often leaves grieving survivors more questions than answers.

Something should be done to ensure that psychologically unsound people do not get guns.

President Biden has tried to implement background checks for all gun sales. Republicans are fighting it. That makes no sense. Why? Do Republicans like senseless school shootings? Do they want to see ever more horrific tragedies?

Or is it that Republicans get so much money from the NRA they can't pass it up and are willing to withstand public criticism to get that money and get that power.

tl:dr
Nothing will change

 

[rahl]

The number of times a gun kept in the home is used for personal defense is statistically insignificant compared to the number of tragic gun deaths of children.

No they aren’t.

12 Defensive Gun Uses Show That Armed Citizens Make Communities Safer

As the nation continues to reel from historic violent crime spikes, many gun control activists turn reflexively to the same “bumper sticker slogan” policy “solutions” that fail to address real problems while often undermining the Second Amendment rights of peaceable citizens.

www.heritage.org

Gun deaths are the number one cause of child deaths in America.

No they aren’t.

 

[rahl]

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