First on CNN: Sources say MH17 report blames Russian missile for shooting down plane

[Rogue Valley]

First on CNN: Sources say MH17 report blames Russian missile for shooting down plane

July 16, 2015

(CNN) - It's been nearly one year since 298 people were killed after a commercial passenger plane broke up over the Ukraine. A final report from investigators has yet to be released but CNN has learned new details from the draft investigative report for the July 17, 2014 incident. Dutch accident investigators say that evidence points to pro-Russian rebels as being responsible for shooting down MH-17, according to a source who has seen the report. According to the source, the report says it was a Buk missile -- a Russian surface-to-air missile -- that was used, launched from a village in Russian rebel controlled territory. A final report from investigators has yet to be released but CNN has learned new details from the draft investigative report for the July 17, 2014 incident.

Dutch accident investigators say that evidence points to pro-Russian rebels as being responsible for shooting down MH-17, according to a source who has seen the report. According to the source, the report says it was a Buk missile -- a Russian surface-to-air missile -- that was used, launched from a village in Russian rebel controlled territory.

Another source with knowledge of the report's details says it gives a minute by minute timeline of flight MH17. This source also says not only does the draft report pinpoint where the missile was fired from it identifies who was in control of the territory and pins the downing of MH17 on the pro-Russian rebels. According to both sources, the report also pins some blame on Malaysia Airlines for how its planes were dispatched that day.

The Dutch Safety Board draft is several hundred pages long. The final report is expected to be competed and published in the first half of October 2015.


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[MrT]

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First on CNN: Sources say MH17 report blames Russian missile for shooting down plane



The Dutch Safety Board draft is several hundred pages long. The final report is expected to be competed and published in the first half of October 2015.


One year on, MH17 evidence against separatists appears overwhelming

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I wonder if one of the overwhelming pieces of evidence was the twitter post from a Russian separatists minutes after the plane crashed wherein he said something to the effect of, "We warned you not to fly in our air space." A tweet that was deleted just a few minutes after reports first started to come out that a passenger jet had just lost contact over the airspace in Ukraine.

It is also quite shameful the structure of the UN Security Council that a single member can veto such an investigation and there is no way to override that veto.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

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I wonder if one of the overwhelming pieces of evidence was the twitter post from a Russian separatists minutes after the plane crashed wherein he said something to the effect of, "We warned you not to fly in our air space." A tweet that was deleted just a few minutes after reports first started to come out that a passenger jet had just lost contact over the airspace in Ukraine.

It is also quite shameful the structure of the UN Security Council that a single member can veto such an investigation and there is no way to override that veto.

Anyone shocked Russia did this?

Where did the the Russian rebels get Russian missiles?

It couldn't have been from Russia's military, could it Putin?

 

[DA60]

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I blame the idiots that decided to fly a civilian airliner over a war zone. And do not tell me he had no choice...he did.

I would not be shocked if the rebels did it. I also would be shocked if they meant to do it (unless they were mentally disturbed) as surely they knew what damage it would do to their cause if they did and were found out.

Of course, if Kiev had just honored the referendum back when the region overwhelmingly voted to leave the Ukraine (I could care less what their ridiculous law on the matter says); or held their own (and undoubtedly the result would have been similar). Then the region would leave peacefully, there would be no civil war and flight MH17 would never have been shot down.

Kiev are idiots and selfish. They cannot hang onto the region. The residents there will never want to rejoin Ukraine now anyway (war tends to cause a lot of hatred for the enemy). But the leaders seemingly would rather kill those in the region then let them do what they voted to do. Kiev should ask for a binding, internationally monitored referendum and let the region go (assuming it votes to leave).
But they won't, because they realize that a referendum would not go their way.

And Kiev clearly cares more about their egos then the people in the region who have and will continue to suffer.

 

[Rogue Valley]

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[Μολὼν λαβέ]

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I blame the idiots that decided to fly a civilian airliner over a war zone. And do not tell me he had no choice...he did.

It was a bad choice flying over a bunch of Russian idiots who shot it down.

I would not be shocked if the rebels did it. I also would be shocked if they meant to do it (unless they were mentally disturbed) as surely they knew what damage it would do to their cause if they did and were found out.

Well, they've been discovered; not that rational people didn't already know the rebels did it with Russian military hardware provided by Putin. Not only did they do it, they lied about it and Russia blocked a UN tribunal to prosecute those responsible for it. (More evidence Russia was involved.)

Of course, if Kiev had just honored the referendum back when the region overwhelmingly voted to leave the Ukraine (I could care less what their ridiculous law on the matter says); or held their own (and undoubtedly the result would have been similar). Then the region would leave peacefully, there would be no civil war and flight MH17 would never have been shot down.

Laws only matter when you support them?

The same could be said about the Confederate States of America.

Kiev are idiots and selfish. They cannot hang onto the region. The residents there will never want to rejoin Ukraine now anyway (war tends to cause a lot of hatred for the enemy). But the leaders seemingly would rather kill those in the region then let them do what they voted to do.

Pretty sure Russians are the invaders.

Kiev should ask for a binding, internationally monitored referendum and let the region go (assuming it votes to leave).
But they won't, because they realize that a referendum would not go their way.

And Kiev clearly cares more about their egos then the people in the region who have and will continue to suffer.

And Russia cares more about killing innocent civilians to get what they want.

 

[Hatuey]

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All they had to do was just look into the matter... and confirm that the proof was in the Putin....?

 

[Thoreau72]

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A beautiful example of anti-Russian propaganda. It was obvious from Day One. False Flag all the way.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

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A beautiful example of anti-Russian propaganda. It was obvious from Day One. False Flag all the way.

More like following the clues.

 

[Thoreau72]

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Following the clues?

You mean like the clues provided by satellite photos never turned over to international authorities? Or ATC records never made public?

Many journalists are on record that the authorities are NOT releasing any supporting documents for their claims.

My bet is Mossad is behind the scenes, from the get-go.

 

[braindrain]

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A beautiful example of anti-Russian propaganda. It was obvious from Day One. False Flag all the way.

Did anyone in this site not see HD coming to the defense of Russia and blaming the U.S. with another conspiracy? Anyone?

Maybe you should just stick to your nukes at the twin towers bit. That one is funnier

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

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Following the clues?

You mean like the clues provided by satellite photos never turned over to international authorities? Or ATC records never made public?

Many journalists are on record that the authorities are NOT releasing any supporting documents for their claims.

My bet is Mossad is behind the scenes, from the get-go.

Please share the evidence you have that would compel you to make that claim.

 

[Ben K.]

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My bet is Mossad is behind the scenes, from the get-go.

I'm sorry, but why? There's a perfect forum to pursue this but I'm utterly baffled how you can link Israel to the Ukrainian Civil War. It's like taking a reflex hammer to a patella and some dude will say instinctively say Mossad.

 

[JANFU]

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I blame the idiots that decided to fly a civilian airliner over a war zone. And do not tell me he had no choice...he did.

I would not be shocked if the rebels did it. I also would be shocked if they meant to do it (unless they were mentally disturbed) as surely they knew what damage it would do to their cause if they did and were found out.

Of course, if Kiev had just honored the referendum back when the region overwhelmingly voted to leave the Ukraine (I could care less what their ridiculous law on the matter says); or held their own (and undoubtedly the result would have been similar). Then the region would leave peacefully, there would be no civil war and flight MH17 would never have been shot down.

Kiev are idiots and selfish. They cannot hang onto the region. The residents there will never want to rejoin Ukraine now anyway (war tends to cause a lot of hatred for the enemy). But the leaders seemingly would rather kill those in the region then let them do what they voted to do. Kiev should ask for a binding, internationally monitored referendum and let the region go (assuming it votes to leave).
But they won't, because they realize that a referendum would not go their way.

And Kiev clearly cares more about their egos then the people in the region who have and will continue to suffer.

A number of airlines were using that airspace.
The referendum was bogus.

 

[flogger]

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A beautiful example of anti-Russian propaganda. It was obvious from Day One. False Flag all the way.

Yeah yeah. Everythings a conspiracy isn't it ? :roll:

 

[flogger]

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A number of airlines were using that airspace.
The referendum was bogus.

A few minutes earlier and it would have been a Virgin flight a few minutes later a Cathay Pacific one. Malaysian airlines (and not for the first time) just got unlucky

 

[Thoreau72]

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Please share the evidence you have that would compel you to make that claim.

Just a hunch, gents, based upon past performance.

What's really cool about the MH17 incident is that it fell (no pun) on the anniversary of TWA800. :shock:

 

[Thoreau72]

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Yeah yeah. Everythings a conspiracy isn't it ? :roll:

Well not everything, but many things.

I could tell it was a false flag, or at least a major propaganda effort, by the way it was presented by the mainstream media in the US.

Maybe I am just hyper-perceptive?

 

[Rogue Valley]

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Russian media outlet L!fenews claiming first that the 'separatists' shot down a Ukrainian AN-26 (military cargo plane) ... then, realizing that a civilian plane had been downed ... accuses Ukraine of shooting down MH17:

[video=youtube;vjUpRD6yMYg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?vjUpRD6yMYg[/video]

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Russian rebel leader Igor Girkin's ('Strelkov') VK claim to have shot down a Ukrainian military plane (later removed):

 

[sookster]

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I just wonder if this is our propaganda machine conditioning the American people for a possible war. Just a thought. Because this is basically testimony about a document. What will the actual document reveal?

 

[braindrain]

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Well not everything, but many things.

I could tell it was a false flag, or at least a major propaganda effort, by the way it was presented by the mainstream media in the US.

Maybe I am just hyper-perceptive?

Maybe it's not hyper-perceptive but hyper-paranoid that you are.

I always love how the CTers always think they are the only ones smart enough to see through the conspiracy and everyone else(the vast majority of the population) is just to dumb, scared, or close minded to figure it out.
I wonder if it is some sort of mental disorder

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

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Just a hunch, gents, based upon past performance.

What's really cool about the MH17 incident is that it fell (no pun) on the anniversary of TWA800. :shock:

230 people died on that flight? What's cool about it?

 

[Montecresto]

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Anyone shocked Russia did this?

Where did the the Russian rebels get Russian missiles?

It couldn't have been from Russia's military, could it Putin?

Yes, Russia arms it's proxies just like China, the UK, France, Israel, the US, in fact BFD!!!!

 

[Montecresto]

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I blame the idiots that decided to fly a civilian airliner over a war zone. And do not tell me he had no choice...he did.

I would not be shocked if the rebels did it. I also would be shocked if they meant to do it (unless they were mentally disturbed) as surely they knew what damage it would do to their cause if they did and were found out.

Of course, if Kiev had just honored the referendum back when the region overwhelmingly voted to leave the Ukraine (I could care less what their ridiculous law on the matter says); or held their own (and undoubtedly the result would have been similar). Then the region would leave peacefully, there would be no civil war and flight MH17 would never have been shot down.

Kiev are idiots and selfish. They cannot hang onto the region. The residents there will never want to rejoin Ukraine now anyway (war tends to cause a lot of hatred for the enemy). But the leaders seemingly would rather kill those in the region then let them do what they voted to do. Kiev should ask for a binding, internationally monitored referendum and let the region go (assuming it votes to leave).
But they won't, because they realize that a referendum would not go their way.

And Kiev clearly cares more about their egos then the people in the region who have and will continue to suffer.

To the bolded, of course. Didn't the US "accidentally" shoot down an Iranian civilian aircraft?

 

[donsutherland1]

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First on CNN: Sources say MH17 report blames Russian missile for shooting down plane



The Dutch Safety Board draft is several hundred pages long. The final report is expected to be competed and published in the first half of October 2015.


One year on, MH17 evidence against separatists appears overwhelming

MH17 Lawsuit Filed In U.S. Court Against Ex-Separatist Leader Girkin

Russia Blocks UN Tribunal On MH17

Dutch Safety Board draft says pro-Russia rebels shot down MH17 with a Russian BUK missile killing 298

Thanks for this update. It appeared that the pro-Russian rebels were the most likely candidate for having shot down the civilian airliner. It will be interesting to see the finished report when it comes out and then whether Russia would maintain its position of precluding prosecution of the involved parties through its Security Council veto.