Elon Makes Sense

[iamwhatiseem]

Okay.
Liberalism means what it means. It's not subjective or geographical. I favour the OED but I recommend Merriam-Webster to Americans.

"a: often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity
b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard (see GOLD STANDARD sense 1)
c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy (see AUTONOMY sense 2) of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties.

Definition of LIBERALISM

the quality or state of being liberal; a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

The Wikipedia article is useful if one follows the footnotes to the more scholarly sources...

"Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.[1][2] Liberals espouse various and often mutually warring views depending on their understanding of these principles but generally support private property, market economies, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of assembly, and freedom of religion,[2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9] constitutional government and privacy rights.[10] Liberalism is frequently cited as the dominant ideology of modern history.[11][12]

Liberalism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Then you are good in my book... and the only liberal I have seen here.

 

[bomberfox]

What dealings? Like not paying rent on his properties, stiffing vendors and treating his workers poorly?

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Is the world's richest person the world's worst boss? What it's like working for Elon Musk

Elon Musk's track record as a boss is an endless scroll of impulse firings, retribution, tone-deafness on race — and the impregnation of a subordinate.

www.latimes.com

‘Over my dead body’: Twitter CEO Elon Musk refuses to pay office rent, says report

Twitter has been sued by landlords for not paying office rent in London, San Francisco and New York City

www.google.com

Musk stiffed Twitter vendors and dared them to sue—dozens did just that

The ultimate guide to unpaid-bill suits filed against X, Musk's social network.

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I love behind the bastards podcast

 

[Grand Mal]

Then you are good in my book... and the only liberal I have seen here.

Like I said, you wouldn't know.

 

[Sabre]

What the hell is"anti-civilizational"?

That's not even a word.

Adjective[edit]​

anti-civilizational (comparative more anti-civilizational, superlative most anti-civilizational)

1. Opposing civilization; against civilization.

 

[PoS]

Hate it? I'm as liberal as all get-out and I couldn't care less what Musk thinks about anything. Why you lot worship at his feet is a mystery to everyone who doesn't.
Must be because he's rich, I guess.

LOL yet here you are. Thanks for caring after all.

Hey Elon, tell me you're making of fun of maga without saying you're making fun of maga.

"This is a battle to the death with the anti-civilizational woke mind virus."



You know he's trolling, right? When one of the world's smartest marketers starts sounding like your drunk uncle at Thankgiving, you know somebody's getting taken for a ride. There's no difference between Musk and trump (especially the part about figuring out how to monetize dumbassery), which is why the same people appear to like both of them.

Next...

LOL the only ones taken for a ride are libs, because it proves how hateful and pro criminal they are. Thanks for admitting it.

Everyone is for these things. He's just trying to appear normal.

LOL yeah right. Have you read your other fellow lib posters with regards to the migrant and crime issues?

Yeah. Of course you left out the antisemitism and moon bat conspiracy nonsense. It's not false. Your post is nothing but lying and an attempt to virtue signal to the Trump cult.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/business/elon-musk-reveals-his-actual-truth/index.html

Elon Musk won’t stop tweeting his way into trouble

Musk’s week of conspiracy theories, explained.

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LOL CNN and Vox are fake news. Their ratings tanked because no one listens to them. Why? Because anyone with a brain knows they peddle BS.

CNN facing identity crisis after firings, low ratings – and new talent not a priority: ‘Don’t have the money’

CEO Mark Thompson has assured CNN’s talent that they’re a central part of the news network in an internal memo — but insiders are skeptical, we hear.

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[jmotivator]

Very interesting quotes.

Begs the question as to why the right supports Elon.

Elon is his own person. Most people are not all one or the other.

All those quotes do is support the point Elon Musk is trying to make in the OP. He isn't right wing, and those positions he holds in the OP shouldn't be relegated to right wing since they are common sense.

There is no reason that a belief in renewable energy the power grid and pre-teen sex changes should be inseparable, but when someone holds one belief and not the other and people get confused.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Like I said, you wouldn't know.

Then that means I am wrong that you are one, since I wouldn't know.

 

[multivita-man]

Of course the leftists will hate this because they're against any of it and falsely claim that he's a racist, fascist, yadda yadda yadda.

Why do we care what Elon's positions are? Is he running for President of Mars or something?

 

[multivita-man]

They hate the man because they took away their hivemind platform that "protected" them from mean conservatives.

And replaced it with a platform in which probably 75% of the engagement is from porn-bots.

What a genius, that guy.

 

[multivita-man]

He absolutely IS dumb cause he keeps saying dumb shit.

When we say people are smart or intelligent, we usually mean that they excel in one or maybe a handful of areas in ways that others haven't. In the American context, we usually equate genius with wealth creation. Musk's genius is going against the common sense and taking the vision of a product that isn't yet marketable (the electric vehicle) and creating a market for it, and supporting it with highly efficient production systems.

 

[OlNate]

LOL yet here you are. Thanks for caring after all.

LOL the only ones taken for a ride are libs, because it proves how hateful and pro criminal they are. Thanks for admitting it.

LOL yeah right. Have you read your other fellow lib posters with regards to the migrant and crime issues?

LOL CNN and Vox are fake news. Their ratings tanked because no one listens to them. Why? Because anyone with a brain knows they peddle BS.

CNN facing identity crisis after firings, low ratings – and new talent not a priority: ‘Don’t have the money’

CEO Mark Thompson has assured CNN’s talent that they’re a central part of the news network in an internal memo — but insiders are skeptical, we hear.

pagesix.com

More top shelf content, folks.

Thanks, bud, you've certainly given me lots to think about with this eloquent series of rebuttals. Is Elon Musk a big deal in Oceania?

 

[trixare4kids]

I’m hoping Musk is successful in all his dealings. Most leftists only hope for his absolute failure and yet many of his enterprises benefit them.

If Musk denounced everything Trump, keeping his Twitter ban in place, they'd LOVE him. Instead, they seek to cancel him by spreading malicious lies about him. Some don't like that Musk can think for himself so they target him.

The "libs" are a lovely group of people.

 

[trixare4kids]

They hate the man because they took away their hivemind platform that "protected" them from mean conservatives.
Across the board, most liberals want censorship. In fact, they demand it and protest when they can't have it.

That's it in a nutshell.

 

[Overitall]

If Musk denounced everything Trump, keeping his Twitter ban in place, they'd LOVE him. Instead, they seek to cancel him by spreading malicious lies about him. Some don't like that Musk can think for himself so they target him.

The "libs" are a lovely group of people.

Before Trump decided to run back in 2015 the “libs” loved Trump. They probably would still have if he ran as a democrat.

 

[trixare4kids]

Elon, who became an illegal immigrant the second he dropped out of college while on a student visa, is the last person who has a right to complain about illegal immigration.

Elon Musk Was an Undocumented Immigrant? A meme on Facebook claimed that Tesla Motors CEO Elon Musk came into the U.S. without documentation, but there is little evidence to support the claim.

 

[trixare4kids]

Before Trump decided to run back in 2015 the “libs” loved Trump. They probably would still have if he ran as a democrat.

LOL, they used to love a lot of people who now support Trump. What has happened to these people?

 

[Overitall]

LOL, they used to love a lot of people who now support Trump. What has happened to these people?

The MSM and social platforms happened to them. They needed them to tell them what and how to think.

 

[trixare4kids]

Politics broke Elon's brain.

What utter nonsense.
More like the left can't handle Musk not being one of them.

 

[trixare4kids]

The MSM and social platforms happened to them. They needed them to tell them what and how to think.

Sad, isn't it? Liberalism is dead.

 

[Overitall]

Sad, isn't it? Liberalism is dead.

I don’t know. It still lives in folks like you and I.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

If Elon Musk did 150 things perfectly right... and one thing wrong.
All the Democrats would talk about is the one thing he did wrong... over and over and over.
At no point would they even consider recognizing the 149 things he did right.

 

[samiam5211]

Elon Musk Was an Undocumented Immigrant? A meme on Facebook claimed that Tesla Motors CEO Elon Musk came into the U.S. without documentation, but there is little evidence to support the claim.

He was on a F1 visa.

He dropped out of school.

He became illegal.

 

[trixare4kids]

He was on a F1 visa.

He dropped out of school.

He became illegal.

Left leaning Snopes says you're wrong.

 

[Chomsky]

All that boilerplate stuff listed by @phoenix2020 in Post #5 is all good stuff.
I don't have an issue with any of it.

If you were to look back through my posting history you would see that five or six years ago I was almost a Tesla EVANGELIST, which means I was almost an Elon Musk evangelist.
I urged my daughter to go take a job, ANY job, at any one of his companies, even if it meant sweeping floors or cleaning toilets, just to get in on the ground floor.
I dreamed of owning a Tesla.

I kept dreaming that one day he would come out with a Tesla for the average working stiff, which never happened.

Then he began adding stupid crap to his Teslas which the average person doesn't need, and they became more and more expensive.
Then he opened his mouth and began blaming the world's problems on something he calls a woke mind virus, which makes no sense.
Then he began cozying up to Vladimir Putin.
Then he began going on Joe Rogan.
Then he bought Twitter.

I did not leave Elon Musk, Elon Musk left me, left me with my mouth agape saying WHAT THE ACTUAL **** is going through his mind right now, does he even still HAVE a mind?

Not sure what you mean by "average working stiff"? But, the new Model 3 starts at $40K, and options-out around $50K, with $50K being the average sale price of a new car sale in the U.S. this year.

Granted, it's not Toyota Corolla cheap, but it bases-out just below the average new car sale price.

That being said, it's not my thing, I have no interest, and I wouldn't buy one. I'm only aware of the Model 3 & its pricing, due to it just being released and getting coverage in the automotive press I follow.

I haven't driven any Teslas, but have been in friends' cars. They're not my thing, due to practical considerations. But I must admit, it is pretty cool to experience the silence of no engine! They're seem pretty torquey off the line, too.

For automotive audio enjoyment, to my ears nothing beats the sound of a Duntov 30-30 cammed Small-block. In fact, I just recently finished (yet another!) 30-30 re-build!

But I must admit, for grocery-getter transportation I like a quiet ride - the quieter the better. That would be my reason, if ever, to get an EV.

(BTW - Have you tried to get a ride in the new Z06 Vette? With the 8500RPM mill? The dealers by me insist on a full purchase contract! Trust me, I tried!)

 

[samiam5211]

Left leaning Snopes says you're wrong.

I couldn’t care less what snopes says.

Elon has now shown any evidence that he had legal immigration status when he dropped out of school.

No one else has either.

Feel free to show us.