Clintons

[Henrin]

I dont even find her to be evil ,how can I claim being evil is better than playing idiot

Doesn't matter. If you had to pick between someone you thought was evil or someone you thought was an idiot, who would you pick?

 

[Sparky2]

Warren supports Hillary and says she is looking forward to working with her on common goals. What did Hillary do to you anyway?

Hillary advised on spending my tax dollars on frivolous endeavors.
Uranium to Russia. Millions to Pakistan, millions to Egypt, and millions (along the way) into her own pockets.

She contributed to good men being killed in the slaughter at Benghazi.
And then concocted an absurd and insulting lie about what happened afterwards, sending Susan Rice to all the Sunday morning talk shows to forward that absurd lie.
I'm a Veteran, and so I don't take incompetence (and dishonesty, afterwards) lightly.
In the military, integrity and accountability matter more than they do to most civilians, apparently.

She transmitted Classified information and materials over her private server, in a cavalier and irresponsible fashion.
And tried to ridicule anyone who challenged her on her wrong-doing.
(I work for the military. If I had transmitted even ONE Classified email, over any non-SIPR-Net server, I would be UNDER the Goddamned jail.)

She smirks in the face of her Secret Service agents,
lied about arriving to the Balkans under sniper fire (while my good friends flew Apache helicopter cover overhead and reported accurately that there was no sniper activity that day whatsoever),
she craps on the memory of my fallen comrades,
and
she arrogantly presumes to waltz into the White House once again to carry-on Obama's socialist agenda, and to drive this nation even further into crippling debt.
Endangering the future for my daughter and my granddaughter.

That is what she has done to me.

:shock:

 

[Medusa]

Doesn't matter. If you had to pick between someone you thought was evil or someone you thought was an idiot, who would you pick?

none of them

 

[iguanaman]

Hillary advised on spending my tax dollars on frivolous endeavors.
Uranium to Russia. Millions to Pakistan, millions to Egypt, and millions (along the way) into her own pockets.

She contributed to good men being killed in the slaughter at Benghazi.
And then concocted an absurd and insulting lie about what happened afterwards, sending Susan Rice to all the Sunday morning talk shows to forward that absurd lie.
I'm a Veteran, and so I don't take incompetence (and dishonesty, afterwards) lightly.
In the military, integrity and accountability matter more than they do to most civilians, apparently.

She transmitted Classified information and materials over her private server, in a cavalier and irresponsible fashion.
And tried to ridicule anyone who challenged her on her wrong-doing.
(I work for the military. If I had transmitted even ONE Classified email, over any non-SIPR-Net server, I would be UNDER the Goddamned jail.)

She smirks in the face of her Secret Service agents,
lied about arriving to the Balkans under sniper fire (while my good friends flew Apache helicopter cover overhead and reported accurately that there was no sniper activity that day whatsoever),
she craps on the memory of my fallen comrades,
and
she arrogantly presumes to waltz into the White House once again to carry-on Obama's socialist agenda, and to drive this nation even further into crippling debt.
Endangering the future for my daughter and my granddaughter.

That is what she has done to me.

:shock:

LOL You fall for every lie hook line and sinker. You are a BORN Trump supporter. Obama is not a socialist BTW.

 

[Sparky2]

LOL You fall for every lie hook line and sinker. You are a BORN Trump supporter. Obama is not a socialist BTW.

I have only been observing her for 30+ years, iguanaman.
I actually voted for her husband the first time he ran.
He was technically my commander in chief for eight long years.

Forget all the partisan-political nonsense and Party rhetoric.
How long exactly have YOU been observing her, pray tell?

(Your truthfulness on this matter will be greatly appreciated, friend. Because it is critical to the discussion.)

 

[jkennedy]

Clinton cheated on his wife? So what?

Nixon - obstruction of justice.
Agnew - lying on his taxes.
Reagan - aiding the enemy.
George H.W. Bush, cowardice in the face of the enemy.
George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, convicted war criminals.
Trump - currently accused of fraud and raping a 13 year old child.

Bill Clinton - “Not Guilty”
Hillary Clinton - Exonerated.

 

[jkennedy]

Its the fact that Hillary claims to stand for womens rights but she viciously attacked the women who claimed that Bill took advantage of them.

And disliking her for that seems logical to you?

 

[Henrin]

Clinton cheated on his wife? So what?

Nixon - obstruction of justice.
Agnew - lying on his taxes.
Reagan - aiding the enemy.
George H.W. Bush, cowardice in the face of the enemy.
George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, convicted war criminals.
Trump - currently accused of fraud and raping a 13 year old child.

Bill Clinton - “Not Guilty”
Hillary Clinton - Exonerated.

Destruction of property during an investigation is what?

 

[Moot]

Its the fact that Hillary claims to stand for womens rights but she viciously attacked the women who claimed that Bill took advantage of them.

I don't blame her...I blame Bill for lying to his wife and making a fool out of her and his entire staff for defending him on national TV.

 

[jkennedy]

"Independent" is another word for "Embarrassed, but a Republican."

 

[Crovax]

And disliking her for that seems logical to you?

She claims that all sexual abuse victims "have the right to be believed."

And she clearly doesn't believe that, her actions show it.

So she is a liar and a hypocrite and that is absolutely a logical reason to dislike her

 

[eohrnberger]

Who remembers the "Wally and the Beaver" bumper stickers? Clinton's gender would have been exciting and relevant in the preceding century, but it's silly in the post-Thatcher (as just one quick example) century.

It's not that Clinton is a woman; it's that she is the ethically repulsive woman she really is.

Agreed. If it were Condi Rice or Carly Fiorina it'd be a much different thing, I think.

 

[RAMOSS]

Doesn't matter. If you had to pick between someone you thought was evil or someone you thought was an idiot, who would you pick?

How about between someone who is evil, and someone who is a narcissistic evil psychopath?? There are levels of evil you know.

 

[iguanaman]

I have only been observing her for 30+ years, iguanaman.
I actually voted for her husband the first time he ran.
He was technically my commander in chief for eight long years.

Forget all the partisan-political nonsense and Party rhetoric.
How long exactly have YOU been observing her, pray tell?

(Your truthfulness on this matter will be greatly appreciated, friend. Because it is critical to the discussion.)

Since I was born in 1952, I have observed her entire political career, from 1st Lady to President and have seen nothing that would bring such hatred except the extreme partisanism that has swept through the right wing since their idol GW Bush screwed the pooch so badly.. I bet you would vote for Putin over Hillary.....oh wait you ARE.

 

[Sparky2]

I have observed her entire political career, from 1st Lady to President and have seen nothing that would bring such hatred except the extreme paritsanism that has swept through the right wing. I bet you would vote for Putin over Hillary.....oh wait you ARE.

You knee-jerk to the extreme, laddie.
I'm no right-winger.

Just an objective truth-teller.

I have no use for either of your political Parties, truth be told.
Both have contributed to the crippling debt that hamstrings this once-great nation.
$20 TRILLION and climbing.

Tell me, since you have observed her so very closely, clearly you have served in the military, as so many of us have.
The majority of us had Bill Clinton as our commander in chief at one time.

Were you Army, Air Force, Navy, or Marines?
Coast Guard?

Thanks in advance for sharing.

 

[iguanaman]

You knee-jerk to the extreme, laddie.
I'm no right-winger.

Just an objective truth-teller.

I have no use for either of your political Parties, truth be told.
Both have contributed to the crippling debt that hamstrings this once-great nation.
$20 TRILLION and climbing.

Tell me, since you have observed her so very closely, clearly you have served in the military, as so many of us have.
The majority of us had Bill Clinton as our commander in chief at one time.

Were you Army, Air Force, Navy, or Marines?
Coast Guard?

Thanks in advance for sharing.

Nope no military service, got a student deferment like Trump. I think Bill Clinton was our best President in my lifetime and can't wait for Bill to be "in the House" again. It's like getting 2 for one and I do like a deal. I get the feeling that you would have rather have been sent into a useless war and lose a leg or worse than have Bill as your commander. Is that true? Would you have enjoyed losing an appendage in Iraq?

 

[nota bene]

Agreed. If it were Condi Rice or Carly Fiorina it'd be a much different thing, I think.

Dr. Rice has always made crystal her disinterest in the Presidency, and I respect that, but it's regrettable. I think she would be an outstanding President.

I've been impressed by what I've seen of political newcomer Fiorina and hope that she will again seek public office.

 

[Sparky2]

Nope no military service, got a student deferment like Trump. I think Bill Clinton was our best President in my lifetime and can't wait for Bill to be "in the House" again. It's like getting 2 for one and I do like a deal.

Ah, okay, so not a Veteran.
That's okay, you are to be commended for so artfully dodging military service, since clearly it was never going to be your cup of tea.

So, let's concede that you are not an expert on the military.

Let's jump to your expertise on the handling of Classified materials.

You HAVE worked for the Federal government then, right?
With access to Classified information, and therefore you have had to attend classes, online training, in-person training, and have had to sign a great number of documents certifying that you understand your left and right limits regarding the handling of Classified documents, emails, and communications, right?

It's been tedious and tiresome, right?
Training and certifying that you know what to do and what not to do with Confidential material, Secret material, and Top Secret material and information?

I feel like we are kindred spirits, you and I (and so many of our other posters who have had to certify their understanding of the proper rules and regulations regarding the proper transmission of approved Classified materials and information over only SIPR-Net and other such approved conduits). Right?

What is the sum of your experience in these matters, pray tell?
Thanks in advance.

 

[eohrnberger]

Dr. Rice has always made crystal her disinterest in the Presidency, and I respect that, but it's regrettable. I think she would be an outstanding President.

I've been impressed by what I've seen of political newcomer Fiorina and hope that she will again seek public office.

Yup. I get the impression from both of them they are fully capable of playing in the big leagues, as it were, and do well at it. Both tough a nails, a trait I admire in people.

 

[nota bene]

Dr. Rice is a former Secretary of State and has sat at the big-folks table. She's thoughtful and poised, one of the benefits of being a concert pianist. I think she would bring the required gravitas to the job.

 

[Risky Thicket]

I couldnt know where to start it ,off topic may be suitable,dana's thread inspired me to start it

I see many anti Hillary people insult her for the things Bill C did before .I don't like her either but please be honest .men just dont want to have a female president..Clinton cheated on hillary with Monica ,yes so what ?Clinton is the worst guy or the president ever seen ? Other presidents were always loyal to their wifes ?maybe Clinton should have choosen angelina jolie :mrgreen:

I would never vote for Hillary. Without question I would vote for Elizabeth Warren.

 

[eohrnberger]

Dr. Rice is a former Secretary of State and has sat at the big-folks table. She's thoughtful and poised, one of the benefits of being a concert pianist. I think she would bring the required gravitas to the job.

Absolutely.

If you think of the typical top administration staff, they are typically over driven alpha males, a dog eat dog environment. She succeeded in that environment without losing anything of the rest that made her who she really is. Now that's quite an accomplishment, if you ask me. I applaud her. I respect her, and I respect her intellect.

 

[FieldTheorist]

I see many anti Hillary people insult her for the things Bill C did before .I don't like her either but please be honest .men just dont want to have a female president..Clinton cheated on hillary with Monica ,yes so what ?Clinton is the worst guy or the president ever seen ?

These are not the reasons I hate Hillary Clinton. I think Bill is a piece of ****, but I don't care that he got a BJ and I don't care that Hillary stayed married to him afterwards. Presidents aren't marriage role models, they aren't religious role models or leaders, and if they don't campaign on family values, I frankly don't care about their sexual exploits. Those attacks are largely the actual veiled sexist attacks on Hillary, or masks for disliking the idea of a woman president.

Why do I dislike Hillary Clinton? People may dislike that Hillary Clinton sounds like a drone, but I hate the fact that she's a huge liar (largely by omission, distortion, or, her favorite, by proxy --i.e. she gets someone to lie on her behalf) and that she does unscrupulous character assassinations of people that only a completely morally bankrupt human being would do. I hate that she slandered Bernie Sanders, a self-avowed feminist and 1960's Civil Rights activist, by repeatedly dog-whistling that he is sexist and racist (Which is particularly rich because when she needed to throw women and African-Americans under the bus when it was politically expedient, she did it; and she literally used racist dog-whistling against Barack Obama in the 2008 primary). I hate that she tells one half of the American people that she's a staunch progressive, and the other half that she's a moderate centrist --whichever is politically expedient, that's the one she is. That's not intelligent triangulation, that's called lying to the American public about your beliefs. I hate that she kept on lying about the non-existent violence at the Nevada Convention and demanded that Sanders apologize for things he wasn't in control of and, further more, never happened. I hate that she wielded Debbie Wasserman-Schultz as a weapon to subvert the democratic process, and then rewarded her for it. I hate that she attacks progressives and progressive policies (e.g. calling medicare-for-all as a "fantasy" that "will never happen"). I hate that she okayed South Sudan's use of child soldiers. I hate that she voted for the Iraq War, was personally involved in the bombing of Libya, and helped the corporate coups in Haiti and Honduras that prevented the democratically elected government's from enacting minimum wage increases. I hate that when #NoDAPL was going on there, wasn't a word coming out of her mouth in support of the Native Americans fighting for their safety, clean water, and the environment. I hate that she's still denying the devastating impact of fracking on the environment and supports a larger amount of fracking. And the cherry on top is how much of a raving asshole she's been to Millennials, and her mouth-pieces continue to lie about how the big, bag Bernie Sanders had the audacity to lie about her over and over again, with feigned ignorance of the fact that Millennials have not been satisfied with beltway politics since they could vote. And I hate that the press covers for her, constantly, and loves to slander her opponents for her.

So Hillary can **** right off, but unfortunately, Trump is the only viable alternative, and between the two of them, there's no contest for who's the bigger liar and who will do irreparable harm to America. So, I have to vote for the lesser evil, Hillary Clinton.

 

[RAMOSS]

Dr. Rice has always made crystal her disinterest in the Presidency, and I respect that, but it's regrettable. I think she would be an outstanding President.

I've been impressed by what I've seen of political newcomer Fiorina and hope that she will again seek public office.

I was distinctly unimpressed with Fiorina. I would have like to see how Condi Rice and Colin Powell worked in Congress.

 

[Sparky2]

..................so Hillary can **** right off, but unfortunately, Trump is the only viable alternative, and between the two of them, there's no contest for who's the bigger liar and who will do irreparable harm to America. So, I have to vote for the lesser evil, Hillary Clinton.

FieldTheorist,
That was probably the most comprehensive list of reasons to not vote for Hillary Clinton that I have ever witnessed on the internet.
But in the end, you conclude that you will vote for her anyway.

Given that we have all had decades to study Hillary Clinton, and given that her dishonesty and crookedness are now a matter of historical record, may I ask just how long you have studied Donald Trump?
Further (and forgive me, I know I'm asking a lot of you) can you describe even a partial list of the crooked and dishonest things that the boorish, loud-mouthed Donald Trump has perpetrated?

Because it must be quite a staggering list indeed, to sway you to vote for a woman that you clearly find objectionable and even contemptible.

Thanks in advance, good sir.

PS I'm an independent, non-partisan voter. I don't have a dog in this fight, other than my interest in avoiding the downfall of this great nation to crushing federal debt and crookedness.
Clearly, I have come to a conclusion regarding the 'lesser of two evils' that differs from your own.
I don't make the above request out of a spirit of partisan-bickering.
I'm just genuinely curious.

Thanks again, sir.