6 Ways the GOP Congress Is Out of Step With the American People

[Perotista]

Well and fairly said, Pero! :thumbs: Several of the issues TheDemSocialist mentions are not ones that all Americans agree with, let alone just within the Republican party. Wide brushes usually only work best when painting the side of a barn...

I like it, painting the side of a barn huh? I happen to have did that a few times. I agree.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

What other purpose would you support raising taxes on anyone? Why is taxing the rich and taking in 80 billion dollars so important to people like you.

Stop the rising inequality. Trickle down economics failed. More fair. We need more redistribution. Start lowering the debt/deficit.

 

[Conservative]

Stop the rising inequality. Trickle down economics failed. More fair. We need more redistribution. Start lowering the debt/deficit.

Whose fault is it that you don't have as much as someone else? do you take personal responsibility for anything? This isn't a zero sum game where someone wins and someone else loses. How did any rich person prevent you from becoming rich?

Please don't try to tell me this is about fairness because there is nothing a socialist does or a bloated Federal govt. does that creates fairness. you cannot legislate equal outcome and the question is why would you want to do that? Do you like it when someone takes something from you?

 

[American]

Do we really want to live like the Chinese?

What good is having a job if you can't breath?

Just goes to show what galactic sized ******s the liberals are, you won't see a single one fly over to China and protest their lack of pollution standards. You know why? Cause they'll get their teeth knocked out by the butt of a rifle, thrown in a dungeon prison, and beat half to death. Here they would only get HBO and 3 squares. That's why I don't support them or believe them. They are two-faced hypocritical sacks of ****.

 

[Moot]

Just goes to show what galactic sized ******s the liberals are, you won't see a single one fly over to China and protest their lack of pollution standards. You know why? Cause they'll get their teeth knocked out by the butt of a rifle, thrown in a dungeon prison, and beat half to death. Here they would only get HBO and 3 squares. That's why I don't support them or believe them. They are two-faced hypocritical sacks of ****.

Yeah, it does look like you've been watching too much HBO. lol I actually did protest the pollution standards to the Chinese and they agreed it was a problem but they said they needed to maintain economic growth and compete with the west and in order to do that they needed to build a lot of infrastructure (dams, roads, electric grids, etc) and fast which meant the environment was not a priorty for them. But then I said since they were practically starting from scratch they could lead the world in building green sustainable and clean energy infrastructure. But did they take my advice? Noooooooo.....

 

[jaeger19]

Whose fault is it that you don't have as much as someone else? do you take personal responsibility for anything? This isn't a zero sum game where someone wins and someone else loses. How did any rich person prevent you from becoming rich?

Please don't try to tell me this is about fairness because there is nothing a socialist does or a bloated Federal govt. does that creates fairness. you cannot legislate equal outcome and the question is why would you want to do that? Do you like it when someone takes something from you?

Like taking responsibility for the deficit? Republicans had a big hand in that too.. in fact.. so called conservatives also had a hand in it. What do you think happens to a deficit if you decrease revenue?

How does a rich person prevent you from being rich? I can answer that.. when a rich person has enough control over government and control over money that we cease to have a free market economy. Where if you are wealthy enough, you have your risks socialized and your profits privatized.

Who do you think is in control of that bloated government? You think its poor welfare recipients walking the halls of power? Do you REALLY want us to believe that?

 

[Conservative]

Like taking responsibility for the deficit? Republicans had a big hand in that too.. in fact.. so called conservatives also had a hand in it. What do you think happens to a deficit if you decrease revenue?

How does a rich person prevent you from being rich? I can answer that.. when a rich person has enough control over government and control over money that we cease to have a free market economy. Where if you are wealthy enough, you have your risks socialized and your profits privatized.

Who do you think is in control of that bloated government? You think its poor welfare recipients walking the halls of power? Do you REALLY want us to believe that?

Cry to Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, or the thousands of other self made millionaires who didn't have a dime or anything handed to them yet made it. The victim mentality is what I see today when it may just take hard work, dedication, and a little loyalty not a govt. handout to solve the problem. I doubt seriously that a bloated Federal Govt. prevents an innovative, hard working individual from succeeding but I do see a bloated federal govt. as one that buys votes by creating dependence.

How did the bloated federal govt. prevent you from becoming rich?

What I want you to believe is that your support for a massive central govt. is the problem not the solution. Nothing is preventing you from being successful except you. I did it, so why can't you? Oh, yes, Republicans contributed to the debt but not one Republican President ever generated the debt Obama has generated and in fact by the end of his term he will have accumulated more debt than all Republican Presidents combined. His solution? Obamacare? More social spending? a 3.77 trillion dollar budget?

 

[jaeger19]

Cry to Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, or the thousands of other self made millionaires who didn't have a dime or anything handed to them yet made it. The victim mentality is what I see today when it may just take hard work, dedication, and a little loyalty not a govt. handout to solve the problem. I doubt seriously that a bloated Federal Govt. prevents an innovative, hard working individual from succeeding but I do see a bloated federal govt. as one that buys votes by creating dependence.

How did the bloated federal govt. prevent you from becoming rich?

What I want you to believe is that your support for a massive central govt. is the problem not the solution. Nothing is preventing you from being successful except you. I did it, so why can't you? Oh, yes, Republicans contributed to the debt but not one Republican President ever generated the debt Obama has generated and in fact by the end of his term he will have accumulated more debt than all Republican Presidents combined. His solution? Obamacare? More social spending? a 3.77 trillion dollar budget?

First of all crap on the self made millionaire crap.... I defy you to find someone that didn't benefit from public education, that did not benefit from government research, like say the DEVELOPMENT OF COMPUTERS, that didn't benefit from public infrastructure... didn't benefit from help from others.... so on and so forth..

I AM rich.. I am an anomaly because I became rich in my early twenties. I was in management in my twenties when my fellow vice presidents or Ceo's where in their fifties. so I know how things were back 2 decades ago... I KNOW how the corporate world has been run by those guys and how it changed over that period.

What people like you don't realize is that the economy, the corporate world, the government is completely different than it was years ago. WHY? in part because a whole bunch of the people complaining about "the bloated government" and all that BS.. were LOBBYING FOR IT,, and were benefiting from it.

And now.. that they are rich.. they want to kill the very things that helped them, and want to extend things to keep them rich despite themselves.

I am the youngest in these groups. Nothing more maddening to here these old rich guys complain about the "taker society" when they made their millions from HUD, or from government contracts, or ran stores that accepted food stamps. Guys that complain about the cost of education but had government grants to go to school or benefited from a GI bill...

You want to know how A bloated government prevents folks from getting rich? What do you think happens when my competitors get subsidies because they are more connected poltically than me?

What do you think happens when a competitor runs his company into the ground.. but has a government right there to make sure "HE doesn't fail"...

What do you think happens when one industry gets preferentially treatment over another competing industry?..


This business about being a dependent society and a people voting for free stuff has got to stop.. because its pure bunk, and that kind of rhetoric is killing the republican party.. WE are 0-2 get it....Not because people "voted for free stuff"...

but because we have lost all credibility by stating the kind of rhetoric you are stating.

just a few years ago, we were running some 4% or so unemployement.... now we are double that... are you really saying that suddenly, all those people who WERE WORKING.. suddenly decided to sit on their butt and get handouts? Do you REALLY believe that?
Unemployment didn't happen because people got lazy, its because the economy went into the tubes... and the economy didn't go into the tubes because of government debt.. it went into the tubes because of a housing meltdown.

 

[Conservative]

jaeger19;1062481902]First of all crap on the self made millionaire crap.... I defy you to find someone that didn't benefit from public education, that did not benefit from government research, like say the DEVELOPMENT OF COMPUTERS, that didn't benefit from public infrastructure... didn't benefit from help from others.... so on and so forth..

Public education paid for by local and state taxes? Infrastructure paid for by excise taxes on gasoline? You mean that kind of help?

I AM rich.. I am an anomaly because I became rich in my early twenties. I was in management in my twenties when my fellow vice presidents or Ceo's where in their fifties. so I know how things were back 2 decades ago... I KNOW how the corporate world has been run by those guys and how it changed over that period.

So you made it but others cannot? Still waiting as to how some rich person prevented you from becoming rich?

What people like you don't realize is that the economy, the corporate world, the government is completely different than it was years ago. WHY? in part because a whole bunch of the people complaining about "the bloated government" and all that BS.. were LOBBYING FOR IT,, and were benefiting from it.

People adapt to the times, create new products, new services, and create economic growth thus opportunities. I started working in 1970, retired in 2004, my son is working hard to better himself and his family as is my daughter and her husband. Economies change but good work ethic and honest labor still generates benefits. still waiting for how some rich person prevented you from becoming rich?

And now.. that they are rich.. they want to kill the very things that helped them, and want to extend things to keep them rich despite themselves.

Sounds a lot like liberal politicians and successful private sector liberals. You won't find that attitude among conservatives

I am the youngest in these groups. Nothing more maddening to here these old rich guys complain about the "taker society" when they made their millions from HUD, or from government contracts, or ran stores that accepted food stamps. Guys that complain about the cost of education but had government grants to go to school or benefited from a GI bill...

Education is an opportunity that many who are on taxpayer assistance refused to accept. Why should those people be coddled? Nothing more maddening than over 100 million Americans dependent on the 50% of the income earning labor force in this country that pays FIT

You want to know how A bloated government prevents folks from getting rich? What do you think happens when my competitors get subsidies because they are more connected poltically than me?

The exception hardly the rule. Govt. subsidies in the form of tax credits does create opportunities as well as employees learning a trade.

What do you think happens when a competitor runs his company into the ground.. but has a government right there to make sure "HE doesn't fail"...

Business rewarded for bad behavior continue to generate bad behavior. I wasn't for TARP but Bush and Obama were and Obama has put TARP on steroids. TARP wasn't supervised properly even though it was a loan. It was never intended to take over the banks or private businesses like GM/Chrysler.

What do you think happens when one industry gets preferentially treatment over another competing industry?..

You mean like the Green energy business? Tax dollars get thrown down a rat hole and lost forever all for political gain.

This business about being a dependent society and a people voting for free stuff has got to stop.. because its pure bunk, and that kind of rhetoric is killing the republican party.. WE are 0-2 get it....Not because people "voted for free stuff"...

That is why I support term limits and the kind of govt. we have in TX, a part time legislature.

but because we have lost all credibility by stating the kind of rhetoric you are stating.

No, it is time for some tough love and for quit rewarding failure. That brings back credibility, Do what you say you are going to do

just a few years ago, we were running some 4% or so unemployement.... now we are double that... are you really saying that suddenly, all those people who WERE WORKING.. suddenly decided to sit on their butt and get handouts? Do you REALLY believe that?
Unemployment didn't happen because people got lazy, its because the economy went into the tubes... and the economy didn't go into the tubes because of government debt.. it went into the tubes because of a housing meltdown.

That is the tip of the iceberg as the long term unemployed and under employed are real problems as are the discouraged workers. Giving people two years worth of unemployment is part of the problem.

 

[jaeger19]

Public education paid for by local and state taxes? Infrastructure paid for by excise taxes on gasoline? You mean that kind of help?

That too, including public education paid by federal taxes, research paid by federal taxes, infrastructure paid by federal taxes, federal programs for loans for education, for housing, so on and so forth...

So you made it but others cannot? Still waiting as to how some rich person prevented you from becoming rich?

Yes.. that's EXACTLY what I am saying...

I made it yes.. and the economy is a HECK of a lot different from then till now...and who controls the economy even more so. I benefited from public education that IS NOT AVAILABLE TO MY CHILDREN... I see it everyday.. my children are not getting the education that I had.. my children do not have the infrastructure developments that I was able to get into the tail end on... the job market is no where it was when I started working. Heck, take a look at the number of middle age folks working jobs that used to be all young people. The upward mobility simply isn't there.. MY kids can benefit because I am rich, but if they were in the same boat financially that I was in at their age, now they would suffer.

I see go getters in the various businesses I am in.. they have it harder than I did. More regulations (and were did they come from.. those regulations came from our OWN INDUSTRY, or other industries to decrease competition), they can't get starting money like I had available, they have more costs, they have to have way more volume than I had to have initially because folks don't have the money available.
Businesses (i.e. wealthy) have built themselves more into controlling businesses that own a variety of industries so they can put pressure on new competitors.. I see it in my medical business.. If I wasn't as established as I am.. I would not survive the giant hospital chains in the area.

People adapt to the times, create new products, new services, and create economic growth thus opportunities. I started working in 1970, retired in 2004, my son is working hard to better himself and his family as is my daughter and her husband. Economies change but good work ethic and honest labor still generates benefits. still waiting for how some rich person prevented you from becoming rich?

That's right.. you started working when manufacturing in this country was king.. when it was possible for a family to LIVE ON ONE INCOME.. You started when a high school education was all that was needed for a good job and someone could become a manager without an MBA. You started in a period and continued in a period that was still benefitting from government research into nuclear power and space technology... and you finished in a bubble economy.
Your son simply doesn't have the economy that you had.. and probably will never see one like you saw. Educational costs have skyrocketed, the job market is much worse, wages have been stagnant for years.. and the economic growth has been based on a false economy built on credit and not on wages... Megacorporations have developed that can legally squash upstart competition. AND, if he is a gen x er, he will never have political clout. But he is going to get the bill for YOUR generations excess...

Sounds a lot like liberal politicians and successful private sector liberals. You won't find that attitude among conservatives

REal conservatives like me.. yes we don't have that attitude...

Folks like yourself, that call themselves conservatives... gosh darn you hear it.. heck man.. you started off with the "self made millionaire crap"... How can you not understand that you benefited from all that government spending that got the government bloated?
Who do you think voted in Medicare D.. you think it was MY generation??? Why do you think the ryan plan makes MY generation have to continue to pay the same taxes but we DON"T get medicare benefits like YOUR generation will?

Education is an opportunity that many who are on taxpayer assistance refused to accept. Why should those people be coddled? Nothing more maddening than over 100 million Americans dependent on the 50% of the income earning labor force in this country that pays FIT

Absolute BULL CRAP... My parents had their education PAID FOR.. they got Masters degrees because they worked hard, and there were public colleges that were free and businesses that if it wasn't free paid for said schooling.. and that's your generation benefited from cheap schooling...

Today the cost of college has skyrocketed, the ability for a student to pay for it has gone down, and the level of schooling needed to be successful has skyrocketed.

The exception hardly the rule. Govt. subsidies in the form of tax credits does create opportunities as well as employees learning a trade

Bullcrap again.. it allows one established or connected industry to better compete against another. And it often allows larger companies to keep down smaller hungry competition because often subsidies only go to a few larger connected companies.

Business rewarded for bad behavior continue to generate bad behavior. I wasn't for TARP but Bush and Obama were and Obama has put TARP on steroids. TARP wasn't supervised properly even though it was a loan. It was never intended to take over the banks or private businesses like GM/Chrysler

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Darn straight.. and why does such happen... It wasn't joe the plumber up on the HILL lobbying for TARP.. now was it? What do you think the wealth level of the people lobbying for TARP were? You want to claim they would qualify for TANF?
Gee.. do you think that they might be RICH people???

You mean like the Green energy business? Tax dollars get thrown down a rat hole and lost forever all for political gain.

Yep.. add to that agro business, oil industry, military contractors, Banking industry, Big PHARMA, and a number of other mega corps.

That is why I support term limits and the kind of govt. we have in TX, a part time legislature.

Term limits only means they have to rob us faster and you get rid of good candidates as well. And as far as Texas is concerned... what a bunch of whackadoos to worry more about curtailing a woman's freedom than their own economy.

No, it is time for some tough love and for quit rewarding failure. That brings back credibility, Do what you say you are going to do

Not when what you say you are going to do is fiscal suicide. There is nothing credible about driving the economy over the cliff.. and cheering while you do it...

That is the tip of the iceberg as the long term unemployed and under employed are real problems as are the discouraged workers. Giving people two years worth of unemployment is part of the problem

And right there.. I think you are displaying why we have lot credibility... tell me.. our people unemployed and need unemployment checks because the economy is bad, and their are no jobs... or has Obama turned around the economy and now their are jobs for all who want them.. but they are too lazy to work...

Which is it?

 

[Conservative]

jaeger19;1062482512]That too, including public education paid by federal taxes, research paid by federal taxes, infrastructure paid by federal taxes, federal programs for loans for education, for housing, so on and so forth...

Sorry but education is a state and local responsibility. You have no idea what the Education Department does

I made it yes.. and the economy is a HECK of a lot different from then till now...and who controls the economy even more so. I benefited from public education that IS NOT AVAILABLE TO MY CHILDREN... I see it everyday.. my children are not getting the education that I had.. my children do not have the infrastructure developments that I was able to get into the tail end on... the job market is no where it was when I started working. Heck, take a look at the number of middle age folks working jobs that used to be all young people. The upward mobility simply isn't there.. MY kids can benefit because I am rich, but if they were in the same boat financially that I was in at their age, now they would suffer.

Your opinion noted, personal responsibility, hard work, dedication, pride will lead to success regardless of the economy

I see go getters in the various businesses I am in.. they have it harder than I did. More regulations (and were did they come from.. those regulations came from our OWN INDUSTRY, or other industries to decrease competition), they can't get starting money like I had available, they have more costs, they have to have way more volume than I had to have initially because folks don't have the money available.

Maybe you ought to get out more and come to TX

Businesses (i.e. wealthy) have built themselves more into controlling businesses that own a variety of industries so they can put pressure on new competitors.. I see it in my medical business.. If I wasn't as established as I am.. I would not survive the giant hospital chains in the area.

So what, that creates opportunities for individuals to get a business education and go out on their own. I sure don't see any answers from you

That's right.. you started working when manufacturing in this country was king.. when it was possible for a family to LIVE ON ONE INCOME.. You started when a high school education was all that was needed for a good job and someone could become a manager without an MBA. You started in a period and continued in a period that was still benefitting from government research into nuclear power and space technology... and you finished in a bubble economy.

Didn't work in the manufacturing business nor does my son. You have no idea what it was like when I started working in 1970. Got married, didn't make much money, my wife worked for a year and during that period of time we learned to live off one salary. We gave up a lot, something that people today don't want to do.

Your son simply doesn't have the economy that you had.. and probably will never see one like you saw. Educational costs have skyrocketed, the job market is much worse, wages have been stagnant for years.. and the economic growth has been based on a false economy built on credit and not on wages... Megacorporations have developed that can legally squash upstart competition. AND, if he is a gen x er, he will never have political clout. But he is going to get the bill for YOUR generations excess...

I only hope that someday I can be as smart as you are about someone else's life especially people that I don't know. The economy is what you make it. You have a victim mentality and that is a prescription for disaster.

REal conservatives like me.. yes we don't have that attitude...

Sorry, most conservatives I know are positive and optimistic. You act and post more like a liberal.

Folks like yourself, that call themselves conservatives... gosh darn you hear it.. heck man.. you started off with the "self made millionaire crap"... How can you not understand that you benefited from all that government spending that got the government bloated?

How liberal of you, yes, liberalism made me who I am today as that ideology showed me exactly what I didn't want to be. I didn't sit on my ass waiting for someone to give me something

Who do you think voted in Medicare D.. you think it was MY generation??? Why do you think the ryan plan makes MY generation have to continue to pay the same taxes but we DON"T get medicare benefits like YOUR generation will?

You mean the Medicare D program that Democrats wanted to double? Do you realize that Medicare Part D has lowered costs?

If you are 55 or older there are no changes in Medicare. I was forced to pay into Medicare, had a great private plan that I lost when I turned 65 forced into a program that my doctor dropped. Yes, Medicare is a great program, LOL

Absolute BULL CRAP... My parents had their education PAID FOR.. they got Masters degrees because they worked hard, and there were public colleges that were free and businesses that if it wasn't free paid for said schooling.. and that's your generation benefited from cheap schooling...

Good for them so what you are you complaining about. Cheap schooling? All relative, didn't make the salary then that I made in 2002 either

Today the cost of college has skyrocketed, the ability for a student to pay for it has gone down, and the level of schooling needed to be successful has skyrocketed.

So why are college costs so high, conservatism?

Bullcrap again.. it allows one established or connected industry to better compete against another. And it often allows larger companies to keep down smaller hungry competition because often subsidies only go to a few larger connected companies.

You always focus on the big businesses not the small local businesses that really drive this economy. Do you ever have any solutions?

.

 

[Conservative]

Continuation of a response to your novel.

Darn straight.. and why does such happen... It wasn't joe the plumber up on the HILL lobbying for TARP.. now was it? What do you think the wealth level of the people lobbying for TARP were? You want to claim they would qualify for TANF?
Gee.. do you think that they might be RICH people???

Of course they might be rich people, rich liberals and rich conservatives but you know what, I don't give a damn about what someone else makes, why do you?

Yep.. add to that agro business, oil industry, military contractors, Banking industry, Big PHARMA, and a number of other mega corps.

those businesses employ a lot of people and create a lot of opportunities for people to leave and start their own businesses. Do you have another solution?

Term limits only means they have to rob us faster and you get rid of good candidates as well. And as far as Texas is concerned... what a bunch of whackadoos to worry more about curtailing a woman's freedom than their own economy.

So what is your solution? Yep, TX sucks, growing economy, low taxes, more personal responsibilities, and more opportunities to succeed and grow

Not when what you say you are going to do is fiscal suicide. There is nothing credible about driving the economy over the cliff.. and cheering while you do it...

I have seen no evidence that you have any understanding of our private sector economy and only buy what you are told

And right there.. I think you are displaying why we have lot credibility... tell me.. our people unemployed and need unemployment checks because the economy is bad, and their are no jobs... or has Obama turned around the economy and now their are jobs for all who want them.. but they are too lazy to work...

It would never take me two years to find another job, maybe not THE job but A job and that makes people employable vs. sitting on your ass collecting a check.

Which is it?

Obama results speak for themselves, high unemployment, low economic growth, massive dependence on the govt, and 6.4 trillion added to the debt

 

[jaeger19]

Sorry but education is a state and local responsibility. You have no idea what the Education Department does

First of all..federal dollars are about 13% of education funding for K-12. Federal dollars are used for block grants for colleges, Federal dollars back loan programs for college students..and federal grants fund many a research project in state and private colleges so the idea that its just state and local funding is wrong.

Your opinion noted, personal responsibility, hard work, dedication, pride will lead to success regardless of the economy

So in your opinion, anyone not rich is lazy, has no personal pride or responsibility, dedication etc.
IS that you opinion.. or do you concede that there are hard working, dedicated, folks with personal responsibility that are still poor?.. Its your kind of rhetoric that's killing the GOP.

Maybe you ought to get out more and come to TX

I have business all over the country.

So what, that creates opportunities for individuals to get a business education and go out on their own. I sure don't see any answers from you

No.. it prevents individuals from going out on their own.. in part its why you see so few small private practices like you had in the 70's 80's and 90's.

Didn't work in the manufacturing business nor does my son. You have no idea what it was like when I started working in 1970. Got married, didn't make much money, my wife worked for a year and during that period of time we learned to live off one salary. We gave up a lot, something that people today don't want to do.

Don't have to work in the manufacturing business for an economy to benefit from good paying wages in the manufacturing business. And you could survive on one salary.. statistically, the same worker today.. is making LESS now in real wages than you did.

My uncle was making more in a steel plant in the 1970's than most starting teachers make today.

I only hope that someday I can be as smart as you are about someone else's life especially people that I don't know. The economy is what you make it. You have a victim mentality and that is a prescription for disaster

You might want to take a long look in the mirror on that one. Kinda like stating that someone isn't successful because they have a victim mentality. Think about what you said the next time you make a judgement call on what its like to WORK in todays economy MR. "I retired in 2004"... You retired almost a decade ago in a bubble economy, and you presume to tell me and my generation how things really are... Think about it.

Sorry, most conservatives I know are positive and optimistic. You act and post more like a liberal.

That's just too funny.. sure.. conservatives like yourself are happy and positive about the economy, and how things are going.. why here is a statement that shows that fact:

Obama results speak for themselves, high unemployment, low economic growth, massive dependence on the govt, and 6.4 trillion added to the debt

Wow.. that's overflowing with optimism.....

You mean the Medicare D program that Democrats wanted to double? Do you realize that Medicare Part D has lowered costs?

If you are 55 or older there are no changes in Medicare. I was forced to pay into Medicare, had a great private plan that I lost when I turned 65 forced into a program that my doctor dropped. Yes, Medicare is a great program, LOL

Under the Ryan plan.. 55 and older don't get traditional medicare that you have.. we would have to go out and purchase coverage.

And medicare Part D has not lowered costs.. it continues to be a budgetary cost and add to the deficit.

Good for them so what you are you complaining about. Cheap schooling? All relative, didn't make the salary then that I made in 2002 either

Pointing out that the advantages that YOU had that YOUR generation had.. is NOT available to my generation or your sons , or my sons...
AND the cost of education has gone through the roof. Its not all relative.. because what someone makes NOW.. is NOT 2002. NEWS FLASH.. that was a DECADE AGO...

You always focus on the big businesses not the small local businesses that really drive this economy. Do you ever have any solutions?

ARE YOU NUTS... I am focusing on small business and pointing out that the system of subsidies, and tax credits, and bailouts preferentially help big business at the expense of smaller and better local business.

Of course they might be rich people, rich liberals and rich conservatives but you know what, I don't give a damn about what someone else makes, why do you?

Holy Crap... you don't care what someone else makes and then rail about poor and "dependent" folks? The fact is that its the wealthy that are lobbying for all the spending you are railing about.. NOT POOR PEOPLE

those businesses employ a lot of people and create a lot of opportunities for people to leave and start their own businesses. Do you have another solution?

no it doesn't .. it KILLS opportunity for people to go out and start their own businesses. A solution.. how about going back to a free market economy where you fail or succeed on your own and not because you get a tax credit or subsidy or because you can lobby for special conditions for you or regulations that squash your competition.

I have seen no evidence that you have any understanding of our private sector economy and only buy what you are told

And that's a perfect example of the current GOP disconnect.. you have no clue.. you have been retired for almost a decade.. I run several businesses every dang day.

It would never take me two years to find another job, maybe not THE job but A job and that makes people employable vs. sitting on your ass collecting a check.

and that's because you live in fantasy land of an economy long gone.

 

[Conservative]

First of all..federal dollars are about 13% of education funding for K-12. Federal dollars are used for block grants for colleges, Federal dollars back loan programs for college students..and federal grants fund many a research project in state and private colleges so the idea that its just state and local funding is wrong.

So in your opinion, anyone not rich is lazy, has no personal pride or responsibility, dedication etc.
IS that you opinion.. or do you concede that there are hard working, dedicated, folks with personal responsibility that are still poor?.. Its your kind of rhetoric that's killing the GOP.

I have business all over the country.



No.. it prevents individuals from going out on their own.. in part its why you see so few small private practices like you had in the 70's 80's and 90's.

Don't have to work in the manufacturing business for an economy to benefit from good paying wages in the manufacturing business. And you could survive on one salary.. statistically, the same worker today.. is making LESS now in real wages than you did.

My uncle was making more in a steel plant in the 1970's than most starting teachers make today.


You might want to take a long look in the mirror on that one. Kinda like stating that someone isn't successful because they have a victim mentality. Think about what you said the next time you make a judgement call on what its like to WORK in todays economy MR. "I retired in 2004"... You retired almost a decade ago in a bubble economy, and you presume to tell me and my generation how things really are... Think about it.

That's just too funny.. sure.. conservatives like yourself are happy and positive about the economy, and how things are going.. why here is a statement that shows that fact:



Wow.. that's overflowing with optimism.....



Under the Ryan plan.. 55 and older don't get traditional medicare that you have.. we would have to go out and purchase coverage.

And medicare Part D has not lowered costs.. it continues to be a budgetary cost and add to the deficit.


Pointing out that the advantages that YOU had that YOUR generation had.. is NOT available to my generation or your sons , or my sons...
AND the cost of education has gone through the roof. Its not all relative.. because what someone makes NOW.. is NOT 2002. NEWS FLASH.. that was a DECADE AGO...

ARE YOU NUTS... I am focusing on small business and pointing out that the system of subsidies, and tax credits, and bailouts preferentially help big business at the expense of smaller and better local business.



Holy Crap... you don't care what someone else makes and then rail about poor and "dependent" folks? The fact is that its the wealthy that are lobbying for all the spending you are railing about.. NOT POOR PEOPLE

no it doesn't .. it KILLS opportunity for people to go out and start their own businesses. A solution.. how about going back to a free market economy where you fail or succeed on your own and not because you get a tax credit or subsidy or because you can lobby for special conditions for you or regulations that squash your competition.

And that's a perfect example of the current GOP disconnect.. you have no clue.. you have been retired for almost a decade.. I run several businesses every dang day.

and that's because you live in fantasy land of an economy long gone.

Your opinion noted and it is not worth it to respond to your novel but I will state that I spent 35 years in the business world, ran a 200 million dollar a year business with about 1200 employees. promoted from within and watched a lot of people learn, go on their own, and get rich, saw a lot of people who expected something for nothing go broke so I will put my resume up against yours any day.

I have never seen a negative conservative like you who plays the victim card but don't confuse personal optimism with the reality of the Obama record and negativity about that record. Sorry but I made my own breaks and worked hard. I don't care what someone else makes nor what they pay in taxes. Nor do I care to further my discussion with people like you who claim to be rich then basically whine about everything and how unfair life is.

Yes, I live in the fantasyland of TX and it was the best move I ever made.

 

[jaeger19]

Your opinion noted and it is not worth it to respond to your novel but I will state that I spent 35 years in the business world, ran a 200 million dollar a year business with about 1200 employees. promoted from within and watched a lot of people learn, go on their own, and get rich, saw a lot of people who expected something for nothing go broke so I will put my resume up against yours any day.

I have never seen a negative conservative like you who plays the victim card but don't confuse personal optimism with the reality of the Obama record and negativity about that record. Sorry but I made my own breaks and worked hard. I don't care what someone else makes nor what they pay in taxes. Nor do I care to further my discussion with people like you who claim to be rich then basically whine about everything and how unfair life is.

Yes, I live in the fantasyland of TX and it was the best move I ever made.

Yes.. you spent 35 years in the business world.. in a world that does not exist now.. but no matter.. you refuse to acknowledge that things are NOT what they were..

That's number one why the GOP is disconnected from reality...


Think about what you JUST SAID... confuse optimism with the "reality of the Obama record"...

Why can't you get that my generation LIVES in the reality of that Obama record...

But when I point out the reality... you claim that "well I could get a job"..

That's the disconnect that has completely hamstring the GOP...

Let me leave you with one further example of your personal disconnect... maybe one day you will understand it.. maybe when Hillary has had two terms....

I was forced to pay into Medicare, had a great private plan that I lost when I turned 65 forced into a program that my doctor dropped. Yes, Medicare is a great program, LOL

Think about this for a second.. you had a great private plan.. one that was BETTER THAN MEDICARE...

Medicare has a 150 dollar deductible... I defy you to find a host of employer sponsored plans in the last 5 years that had a 150 dollar deductible..

Medicare is accepted by the vast majority of physicians, and practitioners FAR MORE than most HMO or PPO plans of today

Medicare A costs NOTHING for most people.. I again defy you for an employer sponsored plan that doesn't require employees to now pick up a part of the tab

Medicare A pays 100% for hospital, pays for 100 days of rehab, pays for 100% of home health... I defy you to find a private employer plan that is THAT good in the last 5 years

Medicare B pays 80% of expenses.. try to find a employer plan that pays 80% of expenses.. they are few and far between....


A decade ago.. you thought Medicare was worse than your current coverage...

NOW.. medicare would be considered a Cadillac plan.....


Continue to live in your fantasy land if you want... just know.. that folks like you are handing the democrats the Congress and the Presidency for the next decade.....


(by the way.. you can put up your resume against mine any day of the week.. it will fall short because its a decade old... think about it)

 

[Conservative]

jaeger19;1062487381]Yes.. you spent 35 years in the business world.. in a world that does not exist now.. but no matter.. you refuse to acknowledge that things are NOT what they were..

That's number one why the GOP is disconnected from reality...

How far do you think the victim mentality will get you. I heard the same thing back in the 70's, again in the 80's when the misery index was in the mid 20's, in the 90's, then again all through the Bush term, so now I hear it again. That is BS. you are capable making your own economy but many people are like you, blaming someone else and claiming everything is terrible. We have an entitlement mentality today because of people like you and that has to stop. Don't know how you ever became rich unless this is nothing more than an act for attention.

Think about what you JUST SAID... confuse optimism with the "reality of the Obama record"...

Why can't you get that my generation LIVES in the reality of that Obama record...

But when I point out the reality... you claim that "well I could get a job"..

My personal optimism over my own abilities has never wavered. If I lived in California, Illinois, any of the Northeastern and Northwestern states I would get on a the next plane to TX. It really is a shame how jealous so many people are. It wouldn't take me 2 years to get a job and off the govt. dole. Those that have are going to have a hard time getting any job because of their inactivity and lack of initiative and drive.

That's the disconnect that has completely hamstring the GOP...

Let me leave you with one further example of your personal disconnect... maybe one day you will understand it.. maybe when Hillary has had two terms....

You and your ilk helped elect the most incompetent individual ever to hold the office and now you are proposing 8 years of Hillary? Some people never learn and apparently you are in that camp.

Think about this for a second.. you had a great private plan.. one that was BETTER THAN MEDICARE...

Medicare has a 150 dollar deductible... I defy you to find a host of employer sponsored plans in the last 5 years that had a 150 dollar deductible..

Medicare is accepted by the vast majority of physicians, and practitioners FAR MORE than most HMO or PPO plans of today

Medicare A costs NOTHING for most people.. I again defy you for an employer sponsored plan that doesn't require employees to now pick up a part of the tab

Medicare A pays 100% for hospital, pays for 100 days of rehab, pays for 100% of home health... I defy you to find a private employer plan that is THAT good in the last 5 years

Medicare B pays 80% of expenses.. try to find a employer plan that pays 80% of expenses.. they are few and far between....


A decade ago.. you thought Medicare was worse than your current coverage...

NOW.. medicare would be considered a Cadillac plan.....


Continue to live in your fantasy land if you want... just know.. that folks like you are handing the democrats the Congress and the Presidency for the next decade.....


(by the way.. you can put up your resume against mine any day of the week.. it will fall short because its a decade old... think about it)

I will be 67 in November, I have been eligible for Medicare for the last two years and participated for a few months until I found out my doctor wasn't going to accept Medicare nor was my local hospital. You see, unlike you I can compare Medicare to my private plan because of my age. If you find a doctor and a hospital to take Medicare the are going to find that the quality of care isn't what you are going to get from the private sector. I know, been there done that.

I live in the real world and would be happy to compare resumes. You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[jaeger19]

How far do you think the victim mentality will get you. I heard the same thing back in the 70's, again in the 80's when the misery index was in the mid 20's, in the 90's, then again all through the Bush term, so now I hear it again. That is BS. you are capable making your own economy but many people are like you, blaming someone else and claiming everything is terrible. We have an entitlement mentality today because of people like you and that has to stop. Don't know how you ever became rich unless this is nothing more than an act for attention.

No victim mentality here.. In fact.. I don't really get why you think recognizing and dealing with todays fiscal realities is " a victim mentality"...

I have simply pointed out that things are WAY different than the 70's and 80's and 90's... its not called the "GREAT RECESSION" for nothing now is it. infrastructure has changed, wages have changed, the demographics of our country have changed.

How did I get rich? Well, lets see starting and selling a multimillion dollar business by the age of 26 helped. Also taking 3 companies running in the red to making more money than ever helped by the age of 32. Not to mention then starting and my own successful businesses again all by the age of 35.

The three businesses.. (two national companies) that I turned around, all had been run and were staffed with managers that were as unwilling to accept facts and change as much as a certain someone I know (wink wink), that's the problem when the only company you know is the one you are in.. its easy to get stuck with "we have always done it this way"... not to mention, the corporate philosophy had changed to whats best for me NOW.. not whats best for the company in the long run will eventually be best for me.....

My personal optimism over my own abilities has never wavered. If I lived in California, Illinois, any of the Northeastern and Northwestern states I would get on a the next plane to TX. It really is a shame how jealous so many people are. It wouldn't take me 2 years to get a job and off the govt. dole. Those that have are going to have a hard time getting any job because of their inactivity and lack of initiative and drive.

To point out facts.. your reference point is almost a decade old. There are a whole host of dedicated, awesome folks, that lost jobs and can't get one now because of the economy.

Are you going to try and claim that the economy is as good NOW as it was in 2004, or 2005? Do you really want to argue that the reason that unemployment is 7-8% is because people lack initiative and drive? Please.. I want to hear you justify your answer...

EITHER the economy is poor, and people are out of work because the jobs just are not there... OR the economy is doing fine, and there are jobs for these folks but they "lack initiative and drive"...

PLEASE have the integrity to answer that question... because you need to stop talking out both sides of your mouth...

You and your ilk helped elect the most incompetent individual ever to hold the office and now you are proposing 8 years of Hillary? Some people never learn and apparently you are in that camp.

Not me.. I didn't vote for Obama, in both elections I worked hard to try and get a republican candidate that could WIN... and as a republican, I have been constantly and consistently trying to explain to guys like you that have lost touch with reality... that your approach and philosophy WILL NOT WIN... Your philosophy is 0-2.

WHEN will you wake up that your philosophy doesn't work? It doesn't work because it doesn't deal with reality.. its stuck decades back in a time that doesn't exist anymore, and in some cases never existed.

I don't want 8 years of Hillary... god forbid... but guess what? Right now.. the republican leaderships philosophy, which mirrors your own..... is the best thing to help Hillary win..

But you just keep on keeping on...

I will be 67 in November, I have been eligible for Medicare for the last two years and participated for a few months until I found out my doctor wasn't going to accept Medicare nor was my local hospital. You see, unlike you I can compare Medicare to my private plan because of my age. If you find a doctor and a hospital to take Medicare the are going to find that the quality of care isn't what you are going to get from the private sector. I know, been there done that.

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That's just too funny.. you know better huh? Yeah.. I just own a number of MEDICAL FACILITIES THAT ACCEPT MEDICARE... First of all.. its possible that a doctor doesn't accept medicare.. buts its very rare because medicare patients make up a huge population... A HOSPITAL that doesn't take medicare? Unheard of (unless some specialty hospital)... Here is your chance.. name the hospital that you say doesn't take medicare.. I want to know...

The quality of care is EXACTLY the same as the private sector... because BY LAW IT HAS TO BE. I cannot treat my patients differently based on their insurance. Besides the fact that the liability issues would be terrible...Cripes man.. it makes me sick to think of it.

The difference you see.. is because healthcare has CHANGED over the years.. dramatically in the last two years because of things like sequestration, and other cuts, not to mention meeting the ACA requirements.

You don't live in the real world sir.. you can compare resume's if you want.. not only would you lose because yours is 10 years old.. but because not only did I manage big companies by 27.. I have also started several successful businesses..

if you really think I don't have an idea what I am talking about.. then here is your chance.. prove me wrong...

Prove to me that the economy is doing well and has been doing well since 2007, and folks are not working simply because they are lazy..

Prove to me that medical reimbursements have not been going down, and that my costs have not been going up.

Prove to me that real wages have increased in the last decade and that businesses have NOT been outsourcing to other countries

Prove to me that the quality of education today is just as good and just as competitive with the world as in 1990, 1980 and 1970.

In fact.. prove that one thing I have said is wrong... Should be easy since you think I don't know what I am talking about.
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[Conservative]

jaeger19;1062490719]No victim mentality here.. In fact.. I don't really get why you think recognizing and dealing with todays fiscal realities is " a victim mentality"...

I have simply pointed out that things are WAY different than the 70's and 80's and 90's... its not called the "GREAT RECESSION" for nothing now is it. infrastructure has changed, wages have changed, the demographics of our country have changed.

It is called the Great Recession because of the media and for no other reason. Obviously you weren't around for the 81-82 recession. Find out what the misery index means and get back to me. Then tell me how this recession actually affected you and your family with record low interest rates? The 81-82 recession recovery was due to Reagan leadership and economic policies, The recession Obama inherited ended in June 2009 and we are still feeling the effects because of lack of leadership and positive economic policies. I lived and worked during both and there is no comparison, the 81-82 recession which actually was a double dip from 1980 hurt the American people much worse than this one because it was compounded by high inflation, high interest rates, and high unemployment.

How did I get rich? Well, lets see starting and selling a multimillion dollar business by the age of 26 helped. Also taking 3 companies running in the red to making more money than ever helped by the age of 32. Not to mention then starting and my own successful businesses again all by the age of 35.

So you were able to do it on your own, does that make you so much smarter than everyone else?

The three businesses.. (two national companies) that I turned around, all had been run and were staffed with managers that were as unwilling to accept facts and change as much as a certain someone I know (wink wink), that's the problem when the only company you know is the one you are in.. its easy to get stuck with "we have always done it this way"... not to mention, the corporate philosophy had changed to whats best for me NOW.. not whats best for the company in the long run will eventually be best for me.....

LOL, just goes to show how little you know.

To point out facts.. your reference point is almost a decade old. There are a whole host of dedicated, awesome folks, that lost jobs and can't get one now because of the economy.

My reference point is verifiable data along with experience, logic, and common sense. I doubt seriously that you are who you say you are and ever had that victim mentality you are promoting here.

Are you going to try and claim that the economy is as good NOW as it was in 2004, or 2005? Do you really want to argue that the reason that unemployment is 7-8% is because people lack initiative and drive? Please.. I want to hear you justify your answer...

EITHER the economy is poor, and people are out of work because the jobs just are not there... OR the economy is doing fine, and there are jobs for these folks but they "lack initiative and drive"...

No, and the economy isn't going to get better until Obama resigns or is fired. We need pro growth economic policies not pro dependence policies. Obamacare reduces incentives to hire full time employees. It is the Obama lack of leadership skills, lack of understanding of the economy, and the liberal economic philosophy which is preventing our economy from recovering.

PLEASE have the integrity to answer that question... because you need to stop talking out both sides of your mouth...

Question answered and if you understood leadership skills you would understand that I am right on.

Not me.. I didn't vote for Obama, in both elections I worked hard to try and get a republican candidate that could WIN... and as a republican, I have been constantly and consistently trying to explain to guys like you that have lost touch with reality... that your approach and philosophy WILL NOT WIN... Your philosophy is 0-2.

Reality is Obama has created a dependent society dependent on liberalism for survival and the things they want. The Obama experiment shows what happens when you put a totally incompetent individual in the WH that has zero leadership skills and wants to transform this country into a European socialist utopia. The American Idol voters are getting the govt. they deserve.

WHEN will you wake up that your philosophy doesn't work? It doesn't work because it doesn't deal with reality.. its stuck decades back in a time that doesn't exist anymore, and in some cases never existed.

What exactly is my economic philosophy that doesn't work? Do you have any solutions or just mouthy rhetoric?

I don't want 8 years of Hillary... god forbid... but guess what? Right now.. the republican leaderships philosophy, which mirrors your own..... is the best thing to help Hillary win..

But you just keep on keeping on...

So who is your candidate? The Republican leadership philosophy isn't even close to mine and obviously you haven't paid attention. Read my over 43000 posts and you might just learn something.

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That's just too funny.. you know better huh? Yeah.. I just own a number of MEDICAL FACILITIES THAT ACCEPT MEDICARE... First of all.. its possible that a doctor doesn't accept medicare.. buts its very rare because medicare patients make up a huge population... A HOSPITAL that doesn't take medicare? Unheard of (unless some specialty hospital)... Here is your chance.. name the hospital that you say doesn't take medicare.. I want to know...

Research isn't a strong suit of yours. The Mayo Clinic is a big one.

The quality of care is EXACTLY the same as the private sector... because BY LAW IT HAS TO BE. I cannot treat my patients differently based on their insurance. Besides the fact that the liability issues would be terrible...Cripes man.. it makes me sick to think of it.

Your opinion noted but then again reality isn't something you are familiar with . I suggest research and you will find that you aren't nearly as smart as you think you are.

The difference you see.. is because healthcare has CHANGED over the years.. dramatically in the last two years because of things like sequestration, and other cuts, not to mention meeting the ACA requirements.

Yes, healthcare has changed, law suits are a major part of it now. How did sequestration affect local doctors and hospitals that aren't funded by the Federal Taxpayers?

You don't live in the real world sir.. you can compare resume's if you want.. not only would you lose because yours is 10 years old.. but because not only did I manage big companies by 27.. I have also started several successful businesses..

You are indeed a legend in your own mind.

 

[Conservative]

Completion of my response to your novel

if you really think I don't have an idea what I am talking about.. then here is your chance.. prove me wrong...

Prove to me that the economy is doing well and has been doing well since 2007, and folks are not working simply because they are lazy..

Have you been reading what I have posted, this is the worst recovery on record and it is due to liberalism and zero leadership. You do understand leadership, don't you? What economic policies have Obama created that promotes private sector growth? Stimulus that bailed out unions? Obamacare? Promotion of higher taxes? Name for me one economic policy that promotes private sector growth?

Prove to me that medical reimbursements have not been going down, and that my costs have not been going up.

Prove to me that your costs are the same today as they were in 2004. Since medical reimbursements aren't going down, why are doctors dropping Medicare and getting out of the business?

Prove to me that real wages have increased in the last decade and that businesses have NOT been outsourcing to other countries

My wages haven't dropped and have exceeded inflation as have yours apparently. as for countries outsourcing to other countries, so what? Not enough to make a dent in the labor market. In2007 we had 146 million working Americans, today that number is 144 million. Bush increased the labor force by over 10 million in 8 years, Obama has increased the labor force 2 million in 5 years.

Prove to me that the quality of education today is just as good and just as competitive with the world as in 1990, 1980 and 1970.

And whose fault with that be? You mean outcome based education isn't a rousing success. Liberals are going to be very unhappy with you

In fact.. prove that one thing I have said is wrong... Should be easy since you think I don't know what I am talking about.
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You have said a lot of things none of which are of value, no solutions just rhetoric. that actually makes you a liberal.

 

[jaeger19]

It is called the Great Recession because of the media and for no other reason. Obviously you weren't around for the 81-82 recession. Find out what the misery index means and get back to me. Then tell me how this recession actually affected you and your family with record low interest rates? The 81-82 recession recovery was due to Reagan leadership and economic policies, The recession Obama inherited ended in June 2009 and we are still feeling the effects because of lack of leadership and positive economic policies. I lived and worked during both and there is no comparison, the 81-82 recession which actually was a double dip from 1980 hurt the American people much worse than this one because it was compounded by high inflation, high interest rates, and high unemployment.

Do you even bother to look at the things you write? Remember that talking out of both sides of your mouth? So.. on one hand.. this recession is NO BIG DEAL.. "Why we had it worse back in old 81..".

Except:

Have you been reading what I have posted, this is the worst recovery on record and it is due to liberalism and zero leadership. You do understand leadership, don't you? What economic policies have Obama created that promotes private sector growth? Stimulus that bailed out unions? Obamacare? Promotion of higher taxes? Name for me one economic policy that promotes private sector growth?

Got it... so no big deal "just the media talking here folks".. and the next breath.. its "the worst recovery in record"..... Which IS it Conservative? Yet again, you have contradicted yourself... and that contradiction is not lost on voters by the way.

So you were able to do it on your own, does that make you so much smarter than everyone else?

Well for one.. I am smarter than most everyone else. I was reading Rudyard Kipling and Hemingway and comprehending them at the age of 7.

But I am also smart enough to realize that no.. I WAS NOT ABLE TO DO IT ON MY OWN... I had parents that though were low middle class to poor.. the economy was such (that would be your great depression in the 80's by the way) that they could spend time raising me (rather than a tv) rather than having to work three or four different jobs at different shifts just to make ends meet as it can be now.

I realize that not only did my parents sacrifice.. but so did multiple wealthier individuals in the community and outside the community that afforded me AN AWESOME public education. Without with it wouldn't matter how smart I was. And I was taught be teachers that pushed me to my full potential because they had small enough class sizes to give me individual attention, and they could spend time pushing me rather than worry that they wouldn't make some "benchmark" that their salary depended on .
I get a great college education at again a public school because of government loans as well as my medical education. I was able to get a loan from a private bank with nothing for collateral except my word for my first business. (flexible underwriting at its finest)
And there is a lot of other help and support along the way.. Sure I worked hard.. sure I had talent... but I can gosh darn guarantee you that it took more than "hard work, and perseverance"...

LOL, just goes to show how little you know.

Yep.. they told me that too.. even as I dragged the company's performance out of the basement...LMAO...

My reference point is verifiable data along with experience, logic, and common sense. I doubt seriously that you are who you say you are and ever had that victim mentality you are promoting here

Except for the fact that its a decade old... still fact... except for the fact that you still can't make up your mind whether the economy is doing great and we all have " a victim mentality".. or whether this is the "worst recovery in history"...

I am most certainly who I say I am... you just don't want to accept the truth that I am speaking...so rather than accept the truth.. its better for you to attack the messenger of the truth... pretty soon, I expect you will be calling me "a liberal"...

Question answered and if you understood leadership skills you would understand that I am right on.

No you avoided the question.. and if you understood leadership skills you would understand that.

What exactly is my economic philosophy that doesn't work? Do you have any solutions or just mouthy rhetoric?

Well, lets see.. first is that you can't even make up your mind about the economy.. on one hand everyone is a slacker who has decided that shouldn't get a job.. (while you most certainly would be able to) and then in the next breath you state that its the worse economic recovery in history ...

That disconnect is a big one.. and its not lost on the electorate..

Another big one failure on your part is that you think that the economy is bad because of the government (i.e. Obama) and that the economy will only be fixed by the government...

Its not lost of the electorate that the economy didn't go bad when Obama became president.. and that the economy isn't going to be fixed "when he leaves office"...

The economy didn't go back "because of a liberal philosophy" either.. it was a number of causes included a mortgage bubble.

Do I have solutions? Absolutely I do.. and I would love to discuss them with any you... the minute you can acknowledge what the REAL problems are with the economy... and that its not "cause people are takers"...

When the republican party decides it wants to be serious... and not a bunch of whackadoos howling in the wind.. there are plenty of republicans like myself that have great ideas on what needs to be done.. and more importantly what government SHOULD NOT do.

That's one of the hardest things dealing with folks like you.. you claim that you are conservative.. but you blame government (Obama) on the economy and you think its going to be the government that fixes things.. and that's simply not true.


That's about all I have time now... but I would like to answer this

Research isn't a strong suit of yours. The Mayo Clinic is a big one

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Newsflash.. the Mayo clinic accepts medicare.. its a non participating provider... which means that it accepts medicare, but doesn't accept assignment.. so that bills beyond medicare are your responsibility.. but they still accept medicare.

Does Mayo Clinic accept Medicare assignment?
Medicare has two billing parts. Medicare Part A covers inpatient hospital services. Medicare Part B covers clinic services, physician fees and outpatient hospital services.

Mayo Clinic is a nonparticipating provider in the Medicare program and doesn't accept assignment on claims submitted to Medicare Part B except:
Where the law requires Mayo Clinic to do so
In the case of documented financial hardship
When the supplemental insurance is a contract payer
When you reside in the state of Minnesota

Mayo Clinic files claims to Medicare Part A and Part B on your behalf.

When claims are sent to Medicare on a nonassigned basis, the benefits for the services are sent directly to you. The law doesn't require health care providers to accept Medicare's approved amount as payment in full, and providers are entitled to bill you for the difference between their billed amount and Medicare's approved amount. Mayo Clinic limits its charges according to the limits set forth by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) for the Medicare program.

Research isn't a strong suit of yours.... have a great weekend...

 

[Conservative]

jaeger19;1062494821]Do you even bother to look at the things you write? Remember that talking out of both sides of your mouth? So.. on one hand.. this recession is NO BIG DEAL.. "Why we had it worse back in old 81..".

Except:


Got it... so no big deal "just the media talking here folks".. and the next breath.. its "the worst recovery in record"..... Which IS it Conservative? Yet again, you have contradicted yourself... and that contradiction is not lost on voters by the way.

First of all tell me how this recession affected you and your family. With record low interest rates and low inflation fewer people were impacted by this recession than in 81-82. What people ignore is the leadership skill that got us out of that recession and the lack of leadership we have today. If you don't think a bad recession isn't impacted by high inflation, high interest rates then you are sadly mistaken and out of touch with reality. Fact is this recession is called worse by Obamabots and that claim isn't backed by actual data.

But I am also smart enough to realize that no.. I WAS NOT ABLE TO DO IT ON MY OWN... I had parents that though were low middle class to poor.. the economy was such (that would be your great depression in the 80's by the way) that they could spend time raising me (rather than a tv) rather than having to work three or four different jobs at different shifts just to make ends meet as it can be now.

Keep speculating and ignoring that I am turning 67 this month. My parents grew up during the Depression and I started my business career in 1970. I was in my 40's during the 81-82 recession. I know how bad that recession was and how bad this one was. Again it was leadership that brought us out of that recession and poor leadership today that is making things worse.

And there is a lot of other help and support along the way.. Sure I worked hard.. sure I had talent... but I can gosh darn guarantee you that it took more than "hard work, and perseverance"...

The point being that you took advantage of opportunities but you getting rich didn't prevent someone else from getting rich. This isn't a zero sum economy

Yep.. they told me that too.. even as I dragged the company's performance out of the basement...LMAO...

Good for you, you are indeed a legend in your own mind.

Except for the fact that its a decade old... still fact... except for the fact that you still can't make up your mind whether the economy is doing great and we all have " a victim mentality".. or whether this is the "worst recovery in history"...

BEA.gov, BLS.gov and the U.S. Treasury has historical data that provides a good picture of what happened and then you can see the economic policies Reagan and Obama implemented and judge performance and results. Just like in your business results should matter but with Obama they don't. No one said that the economy today is great, on the contrary, thanks to Obama it hasn't recovered and it is all on him

I am most certainly who I say I am... you just don't want to accept the truth that I am speaking...so rather than accept the truth.. its better for you to attack the messenger of the truth... pretty soon, I expect you will be calling me "a liberal"...

If you are who you say you are then you are mostly self made and everyone in this country has that same opportunity. I certainly did and I didn't sit on my ass waiting for something to happen, I made it happen, just like you did. Saying that this economy is worse than any other economy or that times are different is liberal rhetoric. You make your own economy and don't whine about what someone else makes or pays in taxes. No rich person who made their money legally did so at the expense of someone else. This country was built on equal opportunity not equal outcome.

No you avoided the question.. and if you understood leadership skills you would understand that.

I answered your questions, all of them, you didn't like the answer

Well, lets see.. first is that you can't even make up your mind about the economy.. on one hand everyone is a slacker who has decided that shouldn't get a job.. (while you most certainly would be able to) and then in the next breath you state that its the worse economic recovery in history ...

Get someone else to help you read. There is no reason for anyone to be out of work 2 years collecting unemployment. You get A job, maybe not THE job and you don't seem to understand the difference. Obama leadership or lack of it makes this the worst recovery in history

That disconnect is a big one.. and its not lost on the electorate..

Another big one failure on your part is that you think that the economy is bad because of the government (i.e. Obama) and that the economy will only be fixed by the government...

Its not lost of the electorate that the economy didn't go bad when Obama became president.. and that the economy isn't going to be fixed "when he leaves office"...

The economy didn't go back "because of a liberal philosophy" either.. it was a number of causes included a mortgage bubble.

One doesn't have to look far to see poor economic policy, it started with the Stimulus program that bailed out unions and gave people tax cuts if they did something specific. That is poor economic policies When the economy didn't recover what was the next thing Obama did? Answer, Obamacare. You call that good leadership and good economic policy?

Not going to respond to novels and it serves no purpose in this forum to argue with someone like you. The President of the United States sets the economic policies and poor policies affect businesses, mostly the small businesses that drive the economy. More regulations, higher taxes, Obamacare, and a failed stimulus program are Obama polices that have generated what we have today. The economy will improve when he resigns or is fired and his policies reversed

 

[jaeger19]

QUOTE]First of all tell me how this recession affected you and your family[/QUOTE] Well, it significantly lowered our income. I run businesses that were hurt by the recession If folks are out of work and or don't have money, then they don't use services or buy things as much as they normally do.

With record low interest rates and low inflation fewer people were impacted by this recession than in 81-82. What people ignore is the leadership skill that got us out of that recession and the lack of leadership we have today. If you don't think a bad recession isn't impacted by high inflation, high interest rates then you are sadly mistaken and out of touch with reality. Fact is this recession is called worse by Obamabots and that claim isn't backed by actual data.

Actually, the claim is backed by actually data. Its just whether you want to pick and choose your data. Without giving a dissertation on the history of economics in this country.. let me point out a few facts. The number one fact is that the economy leading up to this recession was severely different than the economy leading up to the 81-82 recession. and that the REASON for the recession was also vastly different.

Lets take the 81-82 recession. The economy prior was vastly different. Manufacturing was extremely strong in the US at that time. Wages for lower workers and middle class workers were going up relative to inflation (in fact were a factor in driving the inflation.. because prices go up when demand increases), The US was not in a real strong global market. We had competition from the Japanese, but this was mitigated by the fact that as Japan competed with us on efficiency and quality, their wages went up as did the yen.
Agriculture, and other industries were doing fine. What happened was the inflation.. inflation caused by a growing of the economy and then the oil crisis, which drove up prices because of increased oil prices and a lax Fed monetary policy..
So here is what in a nutshell through the economy into a recession. With inflation increasing, workers began decreasing spending on products. This caused the economy to begin to tighten to some extent.. but then the FED decided that the inflation needed to be eradicated. So it raised interest rates.. again and again. And this cut business borrowing throwing the economy into a recession. Basically the Fed didn't tap on the brake, they SLAMMED on the brakes.

The upshot of this is this. The economy wasn't in a real tizzy.. it was brought into a recession by the Fed policy on interest rates.. (which you complain about.. but were ACTUALLY the result of the leadership) .. once inflation dropped, the fed decreased rates and the economy (which was fundamentally good) got back on the gas. (with some help from increased government spending and resolution of the oil situation).

Now.. contrast that with the reality of today. Real wages have not gone up in years. Global competititon, particularly from China.. a country that artificially holds its currency below the dollar, and holds wages down, has decreased our manufacturing base and depressed wages. In addition, we have illegal immigration that has created a second class worker, that also has undercut wages in America....
The reality is that the REAL economy has not been very good for at least 15 years. The basis for the economy, i.e. the middle class has shrunk and wages in the middle and lower classes have been stagnant.
Now.. what should have happened, is that the economy should have slowed, or adjusted. But instead.. our economy grew.. it grew because of the expansion of credit. So for the last 15 years.. the economy has been a bubble of credit. Not real, sustainable growth but a false economy..
That bubble culminated in the housing crisis and the Great recession.
That's why this recession is worse, that's why this economy is worse, and that's why its not going to be "fixed by leadership" as it was in 1981. Because the underpinnings of the economy are whats the problem now.

Unfortunately, guys like yourself can't see the difference. To you.. it looks all good because you have your fixed income, interest rates are low and inflation is not rampant right now. But for us businesses in the REAL economy, we understand that the basic underpinnings of the economy... i.e. lots of people with good paying stable jobs simply is not there.


Particularly in this economy. You don't have a clue what you are talking about.. do you realize that? Lets take YOU for example. Lets say you were 55 years old, former manager.. and were laid off. I have a job digging ditches... sure you say you would take the job.. BUT WHY WOULD I HIRE YOU?!?!?... There are more people than their are jobs right now. I don't need to hire you. You spent your time behind a desk, you have health issues, and as soon as a better job comes a long.. out the door you go.. so I would rather take my pick of 20 somethings that are willing to work. and there are a bunch. Heck, I just advertised for a business office manager position. 7 years ago, I got maybe 5 applicants.. This year I got 70 applicants ranging from people with 15 years working in medical offices, to certified accountants.

Well, I had my pick, and I wasn't going with a certified accountant that would have to be retrained and would be leaving as soon as another job opened up. And I wasn't going with someone that was going to ask for the top wage scale either.

And that accountant had been out of work for 16 months. And he had tried to get jobs LESSER to the position we had open.. and he had been turned down for those.

So you live in a fanatasy land.. where the economy is bad, the recovery is the worst ever, but there is a job for everyone that wants one... (reality be danged)

Not going to respond to novels and it serves no purpose in this forum to argue with someone like you. The President of the United States sets the economic policies and poor policies affect businesses, mostly the small businesses that drive the economy. More regulations, higher taxes, Obamacare, and a failed stimulus program are Obama polices that have generated what we have today. The economy will improve when he resigns or is fired and his policies reversed

And you are a great example of why this country is in trouble... and why the GOP is completely out of touch. You are simply not in reality. The economy did not go bad because of Obama, it went bad before Obama.. Taxes did not go higher than they have been (remember the BUSH TAX CUTS that Obama continued.. not to mention the stimulus was 1/3 tax cuts).. Obamacare hasn't even come about yet.. and yet you are blaming the economy on it...

The simple fact is this. The economy did not go bad because of government, and therefore government is not the answer...

 

[Conservative]

jaeger19; Well, it significantly lowered our income. I run businesses that were hurt by the recession If folks are out of work and or don't have money, then they don't use services or buy things as much as they normally do.



Actually, the claim is backed by actually data. Its just whether you want to pick and choose your data. Without giving a dissertation on the history of economics in this country.. let me point out a few facts. The number one fact is that the economy leading up to this recession was severely different than the economy leading up to the 81-82 recession. and that the REASON for the recession was also vastly different.

Lets take the 81-82 recession. The economy prior was vastly different. Manufacturing was extremely strong in the US at that time. Wages for lower workers and middle class workers were going up relative to inflation (in fact were a factor in driving the inflation.. because prices go up when demand increases), The US was not in a real strong global market. We had competition from the Japanese, but this was mitigated by the fact that as Japan competed with us on efficiency and quality, their wages went up as did the yen.
Agriculture, and other industries were doing fine. What happened was the inflation.. inflation caused by a growing of the economy and then the oil crisis, which drove up prices because of increased oil prices and a lax Fed monetary policy..
So here is what in a nutshell through the economy into a recession. With inflation increasing, workers began decreasing spending on products. This caused the economy to begin to tighten to some extent.. but then the FED decided that the inflation needed to be eradicated. So it raised interest rates.. again and again. And this cut business borrowing throwing the economy into a recession. Basically the Fed didn't tap on the brake, they SLAMMED on the brakes.

The upshot of this is this. The economy wasn't in a real tizzy.. it was brought into a recession by the Fed policy on interest rates.. (which you complain about.. but were ACTUALLY the result of the leadership) .. once inflation dropped, the fed decreased rates and the economy (which was fundamentally good) got back on the gas. (with some help from increased government spending and resolution of the oil situation).

Now.. contrast that with the reality of today. Real wages have not gone up in years. Global competititon, particularly from China.. a country that artificially holds its currency below the dollar, and holds wages down, has decreased our manufacturing base and depressed wages. In addition, we have illegal immigration that has created a second class worker, that also has undercut wages in America....
The reality is that the REAL economy has not been very good for at least 15 years. The basis for the economy, i.e. the middle class has shrunk and wages in the middle and lower classes have been stagnant.
Now.. what should have happened, is that the economy should have slowed, or adjusted. But instead.. our economy grew.. it grew because of the expansion of credit. So for the last 15 years.. the economy has been a bubble of credit. Not real, sustainable growth but a false economy..
That bubble culminated in the housing crisis and the Great recession.
That's why this recession is worse, that's why this economy is worse, and that's why its not going to be "fixed by leadership" as it was in 1981. Because the underpinnings of the economy are whats the problem now.

Unfortunately, guys like yourself can't see the difference. To you.. it looks all good because you have your fixed income, interest rates are low and inflation is not rampant right now. But for us businesses in the REAL economy, we understand that the basic underpinnings of the economy... i.e. lots of people with good paying stable jobs simply is not there.


Particularly in this economy. You don't have a clue what you are talking about.. do you realize that? Lets take YOU for example. Lets say you were 55 years old, former manager.. and were laid off. I have a job digging ditches... sure you say you would take the job.. BUT WHY WOULD I HIRE YOU?!?!?... There are more people than their are jobs right now. I don't need to hire you. You spent your time behind a desk, you have health issues, and as soon as a better job comes a long.. out the door you go.. so I would rather take my pick of 20 somethings that are willing to work. and there are a bunch. Heck, I just advertised for a business office manager position. 7 years ago, I got maybe 5 applicants.. This year I got 70 applicants ranging from people with 15 years working in medical offices, to certified accountants.

Well, I had my pick, and I wasn't going with a certified accountant that would have to be retrained and would be leaving as soon as another job opened up. And I wasn't going with someone that was going to ask for the top wage scale either.

And that accountant had been out of work for 16 months. And he had tried to get jobs LESSER to the position we had open.. and he had been turned down for those.

So you live in a fanatasy land.. where the economy is bad, the recovery is the worst ever, but there is a job for everyone that wants one... (reality be danged)



And you are a great example of why this country is in trouble... and why the GOP is completely out of touch. You are simply not in reality. The economy did not go bad because of Obama, it went bad before Obama.. Taxes did not go higher than they have been (remember the BUSH TAX CUTS that Obama continued.. not to mention the stimulus was 1/3 tax cuts).. Obamacare hasn't even come about yet.. and yet you are blaming the economy on it...

The simple fact is this. The economy did not go bad because of government, and therefore government is not the answer...

I have lived in Fantasyland for over 66 years. When the economy is bad good leadership takes over and deals with the hand they are dealt. Obama inherited a bad economy one that wasn't hurt by high inflation or higher unemployment than we had in the 80's. The difference was the approach and leadership skills of Reagan vs. Obama, something you do not understand.

You keep posting what I NEVER said, the economy didn't go bad BECAUSE of Obama BUT the recovery is bad BECAUSE of Obama. You don't seem to understand the reality. I have found a lot of people here, you included that have no understanding of leadership. You give Obama a pass for poor leadership and buy what you are told. How much of a tax cut did you and your family get out of that stimulus plan? Think about it and stop buying the rhetoric.

 

[jaeger19]

I have lived in Fantasyland for over 66 years

Certainly possible.. But that would be your issue. Certainly I met a number of management that didn't have a business clue but knew how to play the corporate game. I can however speak to your posts regarding this economy and you are absolutely in fantasy land. "worst recovery in history"... and next "no reason for a person to be out of work"...
the disconnect is obvious.

When the economy is bad good leadership takes over and deals with the hand they are dealt. Obama inherited a bad economy one that wasn't hurt by high inflation or higher unemployment than we had in the 80's. The difference was the approach and leadership skills of Reagan vs. Obama, something you do not understand.

Nope.. what you don't understand is that the underlying reasons for the recession were vastly different. Reagan inherited a strong economy that had high inflation due to a oil crisis (which could resolve due through political intervention) and because the Fed raising interest rates ( which Reagan could over time lobby the Fed for easing as inflation went down)... In addition Reagan had a free reign to spend like a madman..

Obama inherited a vastly different economy. First and foremost its an economy that was built for the last 15 years on nothing but free credit. Its a false economy. Secondly, the underpinnings of the economy, wages, middle class, manufacturing base, and international competition, and globalization are vastly different than thirty years ago.

Reagan would have not done any better in this economy than did Obama.. in fact, he likely would never have even made it out of the republican primary. Its not leadership, its the fact that government cannot solve the economy.

You keep posting what I NEVER said, the economy didn't go bad BECAUSE of Obama BUT the recovery is bad BECAUSE of Obama. You don't seem to understand the reality. I have found a lot of people here, you included that have no understanding of leadership. You give Obama a pass for poor leadership and buy what you are told

Unfortunately its you that don't understand. The point is.. that the economy didn't go bad because of Obama, or Bush.. it was not because of an issue the government deals with. (in 1981 the Fed increasing interest rate WAS a government issue).. The point being.. and you keep missing this.. is that if the cause is not a government issue or controlled by the government.. its less likely that the answer will be government intervention...

Your position regarding the " victim mentality" you accuse me of having is ironic. Because its you that that have the "victim mentality". You think you are a victim of "Obama". Its your expectation that the government will be able to turn this economy around once.. "Obama is out of there"... But such is simply not the case. Its not about leadership.. its about facts, its about the reality of the economy. You think government is the answer.. that all we need is some republican president to swoop in on a white unicorn shooting rainbows out its butt, wave a magic wand and make all our troubles go away.
But the fact is that our economy didn't get this way because of a government issue and government is ultimately NOT going to be the answer.

Now.. how much of a tax cut did I and my family get? A HUGE tax cut. Not only did I get the Bush tax cuts that were continued under Obama, but under the stimulus program my business as did other businesses get huge tax cuts.. from out right tax credits, to increased depreciation schedules to lower of the FICA taxes, so on and so forth. In fact, my relative tax rate was the lowest that it had ever been after the stimulus bill tax cuts.

But here is the problem with tax cuts for business... THEY DO NOT SOLVE THE FUNDAMENTAL BUSINESS ISSUE WHICH IS FEWER CUSTOMERS BUYING FEWER PRODUCTS... Sure, I kept more of the money I made.. but the money I made those years was LESS because there were fewer people with money coming through the door. I am not going to expand my business because of a tax cut.. that would be stupid.. only when I have increased DEMAND would I expand to meet that demand.

The single biggest thing that the Stimulus bill did for business was to extend the unemployment benefits because it helped and probably continues to help prop up businesses by having more folks through the door with money to spend. And that's the irony.. because its those unemployment benefits that republicans like yourself are so against.. even though they were probably the best thing the government could do in the short term.

 

[Kal'Stang]

Read more @: [/FONT][/COLOR]6 Ways the GOP Congress Is Out of Step With the American People | Mother Jones

Legalization of marijuana, same sex marriage, higher taxes on the rich, reducing emissions, immigration reform. All things the majority of Americans agree with and want but the GOP is standing in the way.

Oh look, I can do the same with Democrats.

6 Shocking Stats That Prove Democrats Are Out Of Touch With The American People (Emily Hulsey)

My point being is that BOTH parties could give 2 craps about the common American Citizen.