43% in Iowa identify themselves as socialist !

[James972]

I suppose if you're an extremist, which you appear to be, there's communism around EVERY CORNER.

Sanders leads the Party and he's an open communist so its more than around the corner/ GOt it now?

 

[James972]

and if the Republicans get their way, Medicare and Social Security will be either abolished, voucherized or privatized, thus lopping off two of the largest cornerstones of the social safety net.

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ah you said Rand had ruined the country, now you say if Rand gets her way the country will be ruined. Do you want to make up your mind?

 

[James972]

No, because you're wrong.
The New Deal has been largely erased, .

not at all but it should have been since the New Deal was the Great Depression

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Sanders leads the Party and he's an open communist so its more than around the corner/ GOt it now?

Sanders is a New Deal Democrat and he's not running again.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

ah you said Rand had ruined the country, now you say if Rand gets her way the country will be ruined. Do you want to make up your mind?

The two aren't mutually exclusive.
The first point, even as edited by you, illustrates a trend, the second illustrates where that trend leads.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

not at all but it should have been since the New Deal was the Great Depression

The New Deal was a response TO the Great Depression.
And if you lived here in the U.S. and were old enough, you'd have known that.

 

[James972]

The two aren't mutually exclusive.
The first point, even as edited by you, illustrates a trend, the second illustrates where that trend leads.

of course you are being silly. We have anything but Randian economics. Make sense? Rather than waste time why not tell us what you have against capitalism and freedom? China just switched to freedom and elimintated 40 % of the planets poverty!! Do you like poverty

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

of course you are being silly. We have anything but Randian economics. Make sense? Rather than waste time why not tell us what you have against capitalism and freedom? China just switched to freedom and elimintated 40 % of the planets poverty!! Do you like poverty

Stop Gish Galloping and stop erecting flaming straw men.

 

[James972]

The New Deal was a response TO the Great Depression.
.

exactly a response that led to 16 years of depression and a world war that killed 60 million!! Way to go liberals!! Liberalism is the most deadly force in human history which is why our Founders made it illegal

 

[James972]

Stop Gish Galloping and stop erecting flaming straw men.

so as a very intellectual liberal you think we have adopted Rand's capitalism?????

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

exactly a response that led to 16 years of depression and a world war that killed 60 million!! Way to go liberals!! Liberalism is the most deadly force in human history which is why our Founders made it illegal

You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

 

[James972]

You're entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

so the New Deal was not the Great Depression????

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

so as a very intellectual liberal you think we have adopted Rand's capitalism?????

You don't actually know much about my political leanings, so smear tactics only make YOU look bad. That sneering tone behind "very intellectual liberal" only impresses you.

We've started moving away from Rand style libertarian capitalism and are now moving in the direction of outright kleptocracy at this point.

 

[James972]

You don't actually know much about my political leanings,

not our subject, you said we had adopted Rand. Do you want to retract? Do you want to tell us what you have against freedom and capitalism?

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

not our subject, you said we had adopted Rand. Do you want to retract? Do you want to tell us what you have against freedom and capitalism?

Not our subject?

Here is your exact quote from post #85

Originally Posted by James972:
"so as a very intellectual liberal you think we have adopted Rand's capitalism?????"

Then if it's "not our subject" you can stop trying to smear, okay? I just quoted you.
Do you understand?

Do you want to tell us what you have against freedom and capitalism?

That's called a STRAW MAN and it's another smear.
It might work in your country, doesn't work with me.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

So, when pressed, your typical reaction is to SMEAR and attack the other person, question their patriotism, or to erect straw man arguments?

That must mean that you're only capable of reading from a script, and don't have any critical thinking skills, or logical abilities.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

By the way, in case you really DO think I "like poverty", as you implied in post #82:
https://www.debatepolitics.com/us-p...-socialist-post1068114046.html#post1068114046

See that camera rig in my avatar? That was a sixty thousand dollar rig, with another twelve thousand worth of accessories attached. Does that look like someone who likes poverty?
Do you understand?

Here's an even more expensive rig, probably costs more than the HOUSE you live in, mate.
Yeah, if that's poverty it's the most expensive bit of poverty you've ever seen on a tripod.

 

[Helix]

how would a liberal know????? This number proves Bernie Sanders can win Iowa - The Washington ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../this-number-proves-bernie-sanders-can- win-iowa/‎
Jan 17, 2016 ... And to be very clear, this question was not whether they would vote for a socialist or sympathize with socialism; it's whether they consider themselves socialist. The 43 percent of likely Iowa Democratic caucus-goers who self-identify as socialist is actually more than the number who identify themselves as .

forty three percent of Iowans do not consider themselves to be socialists.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Yeah...I'm REAL to you now, ain't I, james972?
You're going to have to leave your precious SCRIPT behind, aren't you?

I grew UP in the postwar New Deal Era and benefited from all the lovely aspects of our hybrid economy. I received a public school education at one of the finest public schools in the nation at the time (Montgomery County Maryland) was able to get college through a public institution for two years. I went on to finish college and get a degree, and a couple of professional certifications, too.

I enjoyed a solid hardworking middle class life and was even a union member for a short while and made more money than God doing it, and was able to start my own reasonably successful business.
I got wiped out in the 1994 Northridge Quake but picked myself up and went with a fallback occupation (IT work) while I figured out how to get back into the work I loved the most.
I contributed, worked hard and paid my taxes. I'm a REAL person.

I'm a REAL person, with some liberal AND some conservative views.
Your BOT SCRIPT just isn't going to work on me, dude.
I'll keep knocking down every single script tactic you use, every single time, until you wear yourself out.
If you're going to post on DP, try some real actual debating for a change.

Do you understand?

 

[Chomsky]

Particularly during the postwar New Deal Era.
The New Deal was a series of small socialist tweaks to our capitalist system.
(1947-1980)
Our economy was the strongest on Earth, upward mobility in the middle class was unparalleled, cost of living was a fraction what it is today, wages in real terms (adjusted for inflation) kept pace with costs, health care, higher education, housing, even cars, all of the big ticket items were within reach of almost anyone who simply worked a typical forty hour week.

And yet Ayn Rand, in 1959, chose to rant and whine about how our system sucked.
Mike Wallace asked her to pinpoint what was wrong with what he termed "our modified, regulated capitalist system".



Twenty years later, our fall from grace began, and middle class life has never recovered.
We started taking that crackpot seriously.
Capitalism became anarcho-capitalism.

The US will never ever be socialist.
First, even if pure socialism were totally benign, which it isn't, we'd screw it up because we have zero experience with it. We've been capitalist from the very beginning, so it's best to just add the few tiny tweaks to what we have and leave it at that.
Second, hybrids represent the kind of genetic strength found in Nature.
Purity is anathema to genetics, art, music, literature, even cuisine, and certainly to economics.
Purity is the road to defects. Purity is fundamentalism.
We'll never ever be socialist but the few small socialist tweaks we used in the New Deal Era strengthened our capitalist system.

Removing those tweaks in favor of "trickle down", Randian libertarianism and other dogma has ruined the economy.

The object lesson: If it ain't broke, don't "fix it".
What we had in the New Deal Era wasn't broken, some folks just got too greedy, folks at the top of the food chain, that is.

And then in her later yeas, she gladly collected Social Security & Medicare.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Hey Chomsky, did you notice that the BOT972 completely skipped over my statement in #69, where I said that the US would never wind up as pure socialists at all, and that we were best off just making hybrid adjustments to capitalism instead?

The US will never ever be socialist.
First, even if pure socialism were totally benign, which it isn't, we'd screw it up because we have zero experience with it. We've been capitalist from the very beginning, so it's best to just add the few tiny tweaks to what we have and leave it at that.
Second, hybrids represent the kind of genetic strength found in Nature.

It's as if the BOT972 could not even comprehend what I said, and just returned to its BOT972 SCRIPT, yelling out that I was a socialist, or a communist, and wanting to know why I liked poverty, and that I was overly "intellectual"...etc.
Remember what Pol Pot did to the intellectuals? He even executed people who WORE GLASSES, because they looked like they were attempting to be "intellectual".

This is why I think we might just be dealing with some bizarre AI and not a real actual human being.
You can throw out a complex thought and the BOT972 just keeps humming along as if you'd just ordered french fries in Albanian with a Swahili accent or something.

We might just be arguing with THIS:

 

[James972]

forty three percent of Iowans do not consider themselves to be socialists.

yes, 43% of Democrats self-identify as socialist communist. They obviously lack the IQ to understand capitalism

 

[James972]

And then in her later yeas, she gladly collected Social Security & Medicare.

she paid for it so why not collect it????

 

[James972]

Not our subject?

Here is your exact quote from post #85




Then if it's "not our subject" you can stop trying to smear, okay? I just quoted you.
Do you understand?



That's called a STRAW MAN and it's another smear.
It might work in your country, doesn't work with me.

you said we had adopted Rand. Do you want to retract? Do you want to tell us what you have against freedom and capitalism?

 

[Sampson Simpson]

He'll probably get an infraction, and we'll never know because that's not public; however, I'd say it was worth it. It was a rather funny quip.

Of course, because its what trolls like james does, post stupid, dishonest garbage, deflect, and wait for someone to finally have enough, then goes crying to the mods

This thread is basically "liberals are stupid poopyheads" type of post