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Trump says will win Hispanic vote despite immigrant storm

shrubnose said:
He's leading the pack of losers who won't be moving into the White House.
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I hope you're right. With your loser at least we will continue the gridlock.
 
Trump could win back the Hispanic Vote, but not without realizing how his words
offended the Hispanic voters.
He could better articulate his position why we need better control of who crosses the border,
but he would have to do so, in a way that does not imply peoples parents and grandparents
were a bunch of drug addict rapists.
 
donsutherland1 said:
All said, just as was the case with the Know-Nothing movement, Trump and the nativists who are fueling his rise and poisoning the Republican Party and conservative movement will meet failure. They will fail, because they offer nothing of substance for addressing the nation's challenges (including the immigration-related issues that they have exploited in their rhetoric) or seizing its opportunities (pessimism, fear, and fatalism crowd out the pursuit of opportunity). The 21st century Know-Nothings will be repudiated in the general election, if by some chance Trump emerges as the Republican nominee (very unlikely). Afterward, over time, they will recede from the electorate and the Trump boomlet will vanish from nation's political landscape leaving behind only an historical footnote.
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Well said. Although I think you're discounting the simple fact that "Nativists movement" has more traction than ever before thanks to such entities as the fringe media which purports such nonsense. Remember Trump's obsession with Obama's birth certificate? Just how many bought into that? Trump is hardly a Rethuglicon but claims to be one by proxy in order to gain further notoriety in the main stream media of schemes. He'll use the press to his advantage no matter how many times he will continue to embarrasses himself and he may just embarrass himself well into the primaries. No doubt he is a Alex Jone$-esque carnival barker who peddles fear and paranoia wrapped up in a tidy blanket of racism and xenophobia but it seems to me in a strange ironic way this is what the American middle class that Trumps exploits want to hear.
 
Amadeus said:
Trump is an opportunist, and he thinks very poorly of the United States, and especially of conservatives. He thinks that there is enough hatred and prejudice in the Republican party that it will support his candidacy. That is the opportunity he is attempting to exploit.
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I think that's more your wishing it were that way.

Regardless, the topics that Trump has has hit upon have are what's on the minds of many, do not represent hatred nor prejudice, that's you just parroting your given talking points, or you being an opportunity for pushing your hatred and prejudices.
 
longview said:
Trump could win back the Hispanic Vote, but not without realizing how his words
offended the Hispanic voters.
He could better articulate his position why we need better control of who crosses the border,
but he would have to do so, in a way that does not imply peoples parents and grandparents
were a bunch of drug addict rapists.
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Well, think about it. Trump bombasts, goes way over the line. Another candidate takes the popularity of the message, puts a little bit more civil terms around it, and make a huge gain in the polls. Those that are 'oh so offended' by Trump, may very well be inclined to vote for the second candidate.
 
Marla said:
Well said. Although I think you're discounting the simple fact that "Nativists movement" has more traction than ever before thanks to such entities as the fringe media which purports such nonsense.
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IMO, this is an important point. I suspect that Information Age has, at least in the short-term, undercut the public’s ability to attain and process reliable and useful information on a wide range of issues. Access to information has markedly expanded. But the available information ranges along the spectrum from useless to valuable. With access to a widening array of sources, entry barriers to confirmation bias have dissolved. People, as you noted, can simply gravitate to sources that provide perspectives with which they agree regardless of the journalistic quality of such information. It's now arguably easier than ever for people to avoid exposure to alternative explanations that might otherwise lead them to consider their own views in a fuller fashion. As a result, positions, even those that have little empirical support, can attain and sustain a following. That dynamic has complicated policy making, supported confrontation at the expense of compromise, and promoted a tendency for disunity.
 
eohrnberger said:
Well, think about it. Trump bombasts, goes way over the line. Another candidate takes the popularity of the message, puts a little bit more civil terms around it, and make a huge gain in the polls. Those that are 'oh so offended' by Trump, may very well be inclined to vote for the second candidate.
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You are probably correct, He did not help his cause!
 
RetiredNSmilin said:
It was not hate speech. It is ANGER speech. Reflecting the anger of those that actually are loyal to the United States. These illegals are only loyal to Mexico and are just here for a better life, because their government is such a mess and pretty much has been since day one.

Did you know Santa Anna was El Presidente' 11 times in 22 years? What does that tell you about their government.

The anger this white male feels is against our own government for not making a better way for them to be here other than swimming the Rio Grande. This horrific flood needs to be stopped and stopped now...THEN....figure out a way for them to come here legally.

I hate the word "undocumented". Illegal is illegal.

In this computer age, I am for sealing the border up tight with a minefield, robocontrolled machine guns, drones with hellfire missiles, and central points of dispersion of airborne troops to insert at the right time. Our border should be a free-fire zone. Enter at your own risk.
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Anger needs to be directed at our own do nothing Congress, as they have done nothing about this problem since the 1950s, and at the employers of illegals who see to it that the status quo doesn't change. Vilifying Mexico and calling Mexicans "rapists and drug dealers" is hate speech.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Anger needs to be directed at our own do nothing Congress, as they have done nothing about this problem since the 1950s, and at the employers of illegals who see to it that the status quo doesn't change. Vilifying Mexico and calling Mexicans "rapists and drug dealers" is hate speech.
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I dunno there Ditto.

Hate speech is, outside the law, speech that attacks a person or group on the basis of attributes such as gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][2][/SUP]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

Is being a rapist something to do with gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation?
Is being a drug dealer something to do with gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation?
Is being a Mexican something to do with gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation?

I'm thinking it's not 'hate' speech. Granted, it's not 'pleasant' speech either, but I don't think it was intended to be 'pleasant' speech.

And at the bottom line of it all, Trump didn't call every Mexican these things, nor even Mexican illegal aliens these things. What he did was say that some of the Mexican illegal aliens are doing these things.
 
shrubnose said:
Donald Trump doubled down on his controversial claim that Mexico is sending criminals to the United States -- but insisted he was misrepresented, and really likes Mexico and Mexicans.

Read the article here: Trump says will win Hispanic vote despite immigrant storm

I believe that Trump will find that few people will vote for those who hate, fear and despise them.
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LOL I sure would like to have some of whatever it is he is smoking.
 
eohrnberger said:
I dunno there Ditto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

Is being a rapist something to do with gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation?
Is being a drug dealer something to do with gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation?
Is being a Mexican something to do with gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation?

I'm thinking it's not 'hate' speech. Granted, it's not 'pleasant' speech either, but I don't think it was intended to be 'pleasant' speech.

And at the bottom line of it all, Trump didn't call every Mexican these things, nor even Mexican illegal aliens these things. What he did was say that some of the Mexican illegal aliens are doing these things.
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He didn't mention that some of every demographic group in the USA does bad things.
 
If Trump does better than average it would be a win with the Hispanic vote. They typically tend to vote democrat. But...he absolutelyt can score points with this issue if he doesnt allow others to frame the argument for him. Thats one of the nice things about beign rich. He can afford his own media hype.

I would ask by a show of hands, how many people here that hate Donald Trump still believe in the rule of law? I would ask how many say abandon the law whenever the **** you feel like it because you dont like it? Most reasoned rational people would say they believe in the rule of law. Now...how many are PRO LEGAL immigration? Thats a LOT of people. How many people think that even though the immigration law might require reform (and only feel that way because they are parroting talking points), that we dont just abandon the laws and that we MUST have SOME form of immigration law? MOST people...especially people with at least measurable IQs or better believe that open borders are moronic. Sweet. All he has to do now is drive home just how many illegal immigrants are here AND how many of those illegal immigrants are violent criminal offenders, especially repeat offenders. How many have been arrested with gang affiliation. How many have killed people with drunk driving. I doubt even the Latinos are very proud of that and understand THEIR lot in life will be better with better enforcement of legal immigration laws and a tighter control on criminal illegal aliens attempting to enter this country. And political rhetoric aside...if you think that those controls are a BAD thing you are a ****ing moron and THE cause to the problems we are facing today in pretty much every walk of life.
 
eohrnberger said:
True. But he wasn't talking about them either.
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Trump will never see the inside of the White House except as a guest.

One reason for that is that he has little support from Hispanics.

Another is that the old White men who rule the GOP won't put him on the ticket.
 
eohrnberger said:
I dunno there Ditto.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

Is being a rapist something to do with gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation?
Is being a drug dealer something to do with gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation?
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Only according to Trump's words. Not in the real world.

eohrnberger said:
Is being a Mexican something to do with gender, ethnic origin, religion, race, disability, or sexual orientation?
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Um... ethnic origin? Yes, I'd say so.

eohrnberger said:
I'm thinking it's not 'hate' speech. Granted, it's not 'pleasant' speech either, but I don't think it was intended to be 'pleasant' speech.
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I'm not sure just what the intention was, other than perhaps to garner attention. The problem is, the attention was rather negative. Does Trump really think that Mexicans are mostly rapists and drug dealers? No, probably not, but then, words do have meanings. How much longer are his supporters going to have to continue to maintain that he didn't mean what he clearly did say?

eohrnberger said:
And at the bottom line of it all, Trump didn't call every Mexican these things, nor even Mexican illegal aliens these things. What he did was say that some of the Mexican illegal aliens are doing these things.
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the ones that Mexico was "sending to us" that is.
 
shrubnose said:
Trump will never see the inside of the White House except as a guest.

One reason for that is that he has little support from Hispanics.

Another is that the old White men who rule the GOP won't put him on the ticket.
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That nice. You must mistake me for some sort of Trump supporter or something, which I'm not.

Now does that have anything to do with "Trump says will win Hispanic vote despite immigrant storm"? All this talk of whether Tump is going to be in the WH and 'old White men who rule the GOP' (allegedly).
 
Dittohead not! said:
Only according to Trump's words. Not in the real world.



Um... ethnic origin? Yes, I'd say so.
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Yeah, ethnic origin.

Dittohead not! said:
I'm not sure just what the intention was, other than perhaps to garner attention. The problem is, the attention was rather negative. Does Trump really think that Mexicans are mostly rapists and drug dealers? No, probably not, but then, words do have meanings. How much longer are his supporters going to have to continue to maintain that he didn't mean what he clearly did say?
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I'm no Trump supporter. But not a Trump 'condemner' either. Yes, words have meanings. The words that Trump spoke didn't say what you are saying they said. So yeah, words have meanings, but not the meanings that you are saying they do.

Dittohead not! said:
the ones that Mexico was "sending to us" that is.
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I don't think there is an official Mexican policy to 'send' the least productive of their citizens illegally North over the border. They do that themselves.
 
eohrnberger said:
That nice. You must mistake me for some sort of Trump supporter or something, which I'm not.

Now does that have anything to do with "Trump says will win Hispanic vote despite immigrant storm"? All this talk of whether Tump is going to be in the WH and 'old White men who rule the GOP' (allegedly).
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What it has to do with it is:

# 1. Trump will have very little Hispanic support.

# 2. Trump won't be the next president of the USA no matter how much money he spends.

:lol:

If you have any proof to the contrary let's see it.

The clock is ticking.
 
eohrnberger said:
Yeah, ethnic origin.



I'm no Trump supporter. But not a Trump 'condemner' either. Yes, words have meanings. The words that Trump spoke didn't say what you are saying they said. So yeah, words have meanings, but not the meanings that you are saying they do.



I don't think there is an official Mexican policy to 'send' the least productive of their citizens illegally North over the border. They do that themselves.
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I don't think there is either, but according to Trump:

When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
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Mexico is "sending its people", and the ones they're sending have lots of problems. I "assume" some are good people....
 
shrubnose said:
What it has to do with it is:

# 1. Trump will have very little Hispanic support.

# 2. Trump won't be the next president of the USA no matter how much money he spends.

:lol:

If you have any proof to the contrary let's see it.

The clock is ticking.
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Not for me it isn't. You are rather presumptuous and a rather irritating little man.
 
shrubnose said:
If you don't care, then why did you make a fuss about it? You could have just let it go and moved on to other things. Explain that, if you can.

BTW: I also doubt very much that Trump will be the GOP's candidate. I took that into account when I made my prediction.

The old White men who run the GOP will run some other loser.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for today's out of touch, running out of time, GOP.
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shrug...

I dismissed your prediction when I laughed at you. I wouldn't have said anymore...except you've kept the conversation going.
 
Dittohead not! said:
I don't think there is either, but according to Trump:



Mexico is "sending its people", and the ones they're sending have lots of problems. I "assume" some are good people....
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When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best.
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This is probably true. Their best stay at home, and successful there. The unsuccessful, frustrated, etc. are ones that are migrating North.
They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us.
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Probably true.
They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.
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These things are true, at least for some of these people that are migrating North.
And some, I assume, are good people.”
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Also true, in that there are good people in the North migration as well.

So, OK, other than a bad word choice, 'They are rapists' vs. 'They include rapists', I'm not seeing where all the hub bub is, and am starting to suspect that this is Democrat manufactured outrage.
 
eohrnberger said:
Not for me it isn't. You are rather presumptuous and a rather irritating little man.
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The clock is ticking for everyone on this planet.You've never seen me so you have no real idea how small or huge I am.

No one can stop time and/or change.

Trump will be mighty lucky if he doesn't get thrown in jail for impersonating a presidential candidate.

:lol:
 
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