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Do Democrats think all religious views must be subjected to leftist secularist approval?

AGENT J said:
LMAO hey look another instantly failed dishonest OP . . awesome!

WHy post so many lies that instantly fail? I mean its great entertainment for us but whats it do for you?
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Do you often call people liars who don't lie? You know you should at least offer some support for your false allegations if you are going to go public with them?
 
danielpalos said:
lol. Don't be sillier. Our First Amendment says your morals are private not public (accommodation). You are not an ordained minister who has the moral authority to convert anyone for the subjective value of moral Good, not deny or disparage their legal and social rights under our Constitutional form of Government.
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The fact that I have pastored a church does not give me the right to dictate to men what they are supposed to believe and think.
 
marke said:
Do you often call people liars who don't lie?
2.) You know you should at least offer some support for your false allegations if you are going to go public with them?
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1.)please quote m calling anybody a liar in this thread, thanks
2.) what false allegations? please quote them and factually prove your claims, thanks

and dont forget to support your failed and dishonest OP, thanks again we'll be waiting!
 
marke said:
It seems modern leftist Americans have no mercy on Christians who stand against homosexuality because God opposes sodomy. Should the state allow those Christians to be destroyed by the wicked for refusing to compromise their beliefs in the face of growing hostility against Christian beliefs?



Govt punishment of NM photographer stands, compelled speech problem unresolved…for now
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Well, in many cases, these "Christians" fail to provide why not doing business with certain people is protected under the First Amendment. A large part in winning that argument is actually demonstrating that it is actually against your religion to provide product and/or services. For Christians, it is difficult to prove that because no where in the Bible is that claim made, in this case, against gays. Now, there are verses that seem to make it a sin and to condemn the sin...but the Bible does not say that you will suffer punishment for dealing with people who commit the sin. It says you will suffer if YOU commit the sin. There are also many verses that talk about everyday dealings with sinners which basically says that such dealings will not harm you, but may provide you an opportunity to talk about God.

As such, and for other, more secular reasons,many judges rule that the person providing product and/or services must provide them, no matter who or what the recipient is.
 
Jason Warfield said:
Well, in many cases, these "Christians" fail to provide why not doing business with certain people is protected under the First Amendment. A large part in winning that argument is actually demonstrating that it is actually against your religion to provide product and/or services. For Christians, it is difficult to prove that because no where in the Bible is that claim made, in this case, against gays. Now, there are verses that seem to make it a sin and to condemn the sin...but the Bible does not say that you will suffer punishment for dealing with people who commit the sin. It says you will suffer if YOU commit the sin. There are also many verses that talk about everyday dealings with sinners which basically says that such dealings will not harm you, but may provide you an opportunity to talk about God.

As such, and for other, more secular reasons,many judges rule that the person providing product and/or services must provide them, no matter who or what the recipient is.
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Christian baker: 'I cannot provide services to a public marriage between homosexuals because I believe homosexuality is wrong and I would be contributing to evil if I supported the wrong in any fashion.'

Homosexual: 'I don't give a damn about your religion. If you don't service our homosexual wedding then we will make you wish you had never been born.'
 
marke said:
Don't be silly. The Bible tells us that men should work or not eat and that in all labor there is profit. God wants Christians to work and make enough profit to satisfy their physical needs.
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Thank goodness that should never be secular and temporal public policy under our Constitution.
 
marke said:
Christian baker: 'I cannot provide services to a public marriage between homosexuals because I believe homosexuality is wrong and I would be contributing to evil if I supported the wrong in any fashion.'

Homosexual: 'I don't give a damn about your religion. If you don't service our homosexual wedding then we will make you wish you had never been born.'
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Can a homosexual baker deny and disparage practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy with a McCarthy era phrase in our pledge?
 
marke said:
Homosexual to Christian baker: 'How dare you refuse to bake me a cake? I will take you to court and sue you for everything you own or will own for the rest of your life.'
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I happen to disagree with that ruling. But that's not what we're discussing.
 
marke said:
1.) Do you often call people liars who don't lie?
2.) You know you should at least offer some support for your false allegations if you are going to go public with them?
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AGENT J said:
1.)please quote m calling anybody a liar in this thread, thanks
2.) what false allegations? please quote them and factually prove your claims, thanks

and dont forget to support your failed and dishonest OP, thanks again we'll be waiting!
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Crickets!!!!
 
marke said:
Leftists claim Christians cannot hold Christian views against homosexuality while at the same time saying homosexuals can discriminate against Christians for believing the Bible. Leftists are stupid.
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Nobody is discriminating against Christians. Exactly the same laws and regulations apply to them as anyone else. It would be specifically illegal for the law to discriminate against Christians, a law that has been in place much, much longer than anything protecting homosexuals.
 
joko104 said:
Exempt from what? The rules of the Bible? Every American in the USA is. Almost no Muslims are in their own countries. But you only attack Christians and Christianity for having American freedom - and never Muslims in other countries which are slaves to their religion under the authority of their government. Why is that?

I'm not a Christian, but I certainly understand the core doctrine of "salvation by the grace of God,' not salvation by good behavior like you wrongheadedly claim. Christianity does not require sinlessness. In fact, it presumes everyone sins as the core premise not only by what you do, but by what you even think.

How can a person even be forgiven without being a sinner. In fact, if you go to Pentecostal churches they where their sins on their sleeves. How else would they have a reason of cry over their sins at the church's wailing wall? Truly, you really don't understand Biblical Christianity. It has nothing to do with God-will-make-you rich and health if you give money to tele-evangelists.
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Those are some more sweet diversions. Bravo on throwing muslims in there too.

Now, are Christians exempt from the most important rules of christianity?
 
marke said:
It seems modern leftist Americans have no mercy on Christians who stand against homosexuality because God opposes sodomy. Should the state allow those Christians to be destroyed by the wicked for refusing to compromise their beliefs in the face of growing hostility against Christian beliefs?



Govt punishment of NM photographer stands, compelled speech problem unresolved…for now
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Don't complain about the Poor or the Poor should complain about the Rich for equality and equal protection of the laws.
 
HonestJoe said:
Nobody is discriminating against Christians. Exactly the same laws and regulations apply to them as anyone else. It would be specifically illegal for the law to discriminate against Christians, a law that has been in place much, much longer than anything protecting homosexuals.
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It is illegal for a modern governing body or court to tell a Christian he must sacrifice his religious beliefs and do what a homosexual asks him to do because the desires of homosexuals take precedence over a Christian's right to believe and serve God.
 
AProudLefty said:
You realize that heterosexual couples practice sodomy?
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Are they sodomites? No matter, they should make sure they are not displeasing God by what they do no matter what they are.
 
danielpalos said:
In public accommodation you need to organize on a not for the profit of capital Lucre basis to be credible about your alleged, Religious morality.
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Thanks for your input. You’re more than welcome to apply your principle to your own life, but fortunately that’s where your influence ends.
 
marke said:
It seems modern leftist Americans have no mercy on Christians who stand against homosexuality because God opposes sodomy. Should the state allow those Christians to be destroyed by the wicked for refusing to compromise their beliefs in the face of growing hostility against Christian beliefs?



Govt punishment of NM photographer stands, compelled speech problem unresolved…for now
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That's obviously what they want. You can tell just from the replies to this thread.
 
marke said:
It is illegal for a modern governing body or court to tell a Christian he must sacrifice his religious beliefs and do what a homosexual asks him to do because the desires of homosexuals take precedence over a Christian's right to believe and serve God.
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That isn't what is happening though. It is illegal for the government or courts to treat an individual differently because of their religion. If the law says everyone is required to do or not do something though, saying that goes against your religious beliefs doesn't automatically mean that law no longer applies to you. Exemptions can be specifically written in the law but that hasn't been done in this case and so the anti-discrimination laws apply to everyone regardless of their religious beliefs.
 
HonestJoe said:
That isn't what is happening though. It is illegal for the government or courts to treat an individual differently because of their religion. If the law says everyone is required to do or not do something though, saying that goes against your religious beliefs doesn't automatically mean that law no longer applies to you. Exemptions can be specifically written in the law but that hasn't been done in this case and so the anti-discrimination laws apply to everyone regardless of their religious beliefs.
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No, atheistic anti-discrimination laws do not apply to the mistreatment of Christians. Atheists, humanists, hedonists, homosexuals and other leftist barbarians use anti-discrimination laws to totally discriminate against Christians for honoring their religious convictions.
 
jimbo said:
If God opposes sodomy, why did he create so many sodomists?
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So its your opinion that God is responsible for humans that choose to act on impulses and ideation...natural though they may be to them? Do you extend that belief universally, or only to 'sodomists'?
 
marke said:
No, atheistic anti-discrimination laws do not apply to the mistreatment of Christians.
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You are simply wrong;

“New Mexico Statutes Chapter 28. Human Rights § 28-1-7. Unlawful discriminatory practice”

“It is an unlawful discriminatory practice for:…

… any person in any public accommodation to make a distinction, directly or indirectly, in offering or refusing to offer its services, facilities, accommodations or goods to any person because of race, religion, color, national origin, ancestry, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, spousal affiliation or physical or mental handicap, provided that the physical or mental handicap is unrelated to a person's ability to acquire or rent and maintain particular real property or housing accommodation;” (my emphasis)

source : New Mexico Statutes Chapter 28. Human Rights SS 28-1-7 | FindLaw
 
VanceMack said:
So its your opinion that God is responsible for humans that choose to act on impulses and ideation...natural though they may be to them? Do you extend that belief universally, or only to 'sodomists'?
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I just asked a question. You turned it into something else and still didn't answer it.
 
jimbo said:
I just asked a question. You turned it into something else and still didn't answer it.
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I absolutely answered the question. Its obvious I disagree with your assertion. But since you make the assertion that God made sodomites in effect stating they have no choice but to be what they are, do you extend that belief universally? Do you believe God made pedophiles? Do you believe God made rapists? Do you believe God made murderers?
 
beefheart said:
You want to live in a theocracy, move somewhere else.
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I really can't see any difference in the beliefs of conservative christians and conservative muslims.

It's the same crap in a different wrapper.
 
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