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Oklahoma Senator Caught In Hotel Room With Underage Boy

lurchadams said:
Let us not forget the right honerable Larry Craig, soliciting sex in a MN restroom. He claimed he just had a "wide stance" and ended up finishing up his term.

Senator pleaded guilty, reportedly after bathroom stall incident - CNN.com

How about this model citizen? Rep. Scott DesJarlais, R-Tenn, a pro-life advocate, who urged both his wife and his mistress to have abortions?

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/w...ons-for-ex-wife-and-mistress-is-running-again

Then there was David Vitter, who harshly criticized Bill Clinton during the Lewinsky Scandal, while himself frequenting prostitutes.

He then called for an ethics probe of his democratic collegues.

David Vitter Calls For Ethics Probe Of Colleagues After Being Targeted By Prostitution Amendment | The Huffington Post

I know there have been Democrats with their own skeletons, I'm just not aware of as many preaching against other people that do as they do. Hypocrites.
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Don't forget Ken Starr, the Clinton prosecutor turned likely rape enabler at Baylor, or evangelists like Haggard
 
beefheart said:
We won't know until the legal proceedings come out. Do you think the Senator was playing tiddly winks with a minor in a hotel room?:lamo
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Again, legally the term "age of consent" matters.

Please, it's not that difficult to comprehend.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Again, legally the term "age of consent" matters.

Please, it's not that difficult to comprehend.
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He was having sex with a boy. The charge is child prostitution, not sex with an adult.

How freaking hard is that to comprehend.

Making excuses? Reprehensible
 
beefheart said:
He was having sex with a boy. The charge is child prostitution, not sex with an adult.

How freaking hard is that to comprehend.

Making excuses? Reprehensible
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Get a grip man.

You're acting as if it was you raped.

I'm not making any excuses. Just pointing out that the law and morality are often not aligned.

He may have been arrested initially as "child" prostitution, but since the initial reports, it has come out that the "child" is not a "child" in the eyes of the law, because he is of the "age of consent."

Why is that so difficult to comprehend?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Get a grip man.

You're acting as if it was you raped.

I'm not making any excuses. Just pointing out that the law and morality are often not aligned.

He may have been arrested initially as "child" prostitution, but since the initial reports, it has come out that the "child" is not a "child" in the eyes of the law, because he is of the "age of consent."

Why is that so difficult to comprehend?
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Look at you, you are making excuses. Guy had a kid in a hotel. He is a talibornagain and spouts the family values in public and rapes kids in private.

You must be so proud.

Your age of consent argument is pathetic and creepy as hell.


What the police found in Ralph Shortey's hotel room | News OK

Police searched a backpack at the hotel for marijuana, but found a bottle of lotion. An officer also found an opened box of condoms.

The adult male told police that the juvenile brought him to the hotel room, and that they had been texting for more than a year. Despite the redacted words in the police report, it appears the adult male told police that he hadn't smoked any marijuana that night.

Investigators searched an online conversation believed to be between the two and found the juvenile had asked for money.

The reply, written under a possible screen name: "How much you needing?"

"I need money for spring break," the juvenile replied.

The adult replied: "I don't really have any legitimate things I need help with right now. Would you be interested in 'sexual' stuff?"
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beefheart said:
Look at you, you are making excuses. Guy had a kid in a hotel. He is a talibornagain and spouts the family values in public and rapes kids in private.

You must be so proud.

Your age of consent argument is pathetic and creepy as hell.
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No, I agree it is pathetic and sick what happened.

What you don't understand is the lies only detract from reality. This situation is disgusting enough without layering lies on top of it.

I am one that seeks the truth. I do not exaggerate or lie to make something look worse, or to suit an agenda

I see you don't care one bit about how people see your integrity. Right now, it's looking pretty bad.

Age of consent is a legal reality.

Get over it.
 
Lord of Planar said:
No, I agree it is pathetic and sick what happened.

What you don't understand is the lies only detract from reality. This situation is disgusting enough without layering lies on top of it.

I am one that seeks the truth. I do not exaggerate or lie to make something look worse, or to suit an agenda

I see you don't care one bit about how people see your integrity. Right now, it's looking pretty bad.

Age of consent is a legal reality.

Get over it.
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The accusations "do not reflect the character and decorum that we expect of an elected official," Fallin said. "It is not acceptable."

The evidence against Shortey includes a graphic online conversation where the two discuss having sex and smoking marijuana, police reported in a court affidavit. The conversation was found on the teenager's Kindle tablet.

Shortey, using the online name "Jamie Tilley," at one point during the discussion about sex called the teenager "baby boy," according to the affidavit.
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Conservative Oklahoma senator charged with three felonies after child prostitution investigation | News OK


Keep making excuses for a child raper ("baby boy"), its pretty hilarious.

Add in the fact that he is an evangelical talibornagain zealot? Comedy gold.
 
beefheart said:
He called him Baby Boy. He wasn't interested in having sex with an adult.

Your defense of this sick person is just creepy.

What age do you think should be the age of consent for a 35 year old evangelical hypocrite christian to have sex with a boy?
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My God man.

You are flat out losing it.
 
Lord of Planar said:
My God man.

You are flat out losing it.
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No, you are the one trying to make excuses for this guy. He was a missionary...he called him "Baby boy", he texted this minor for over a year...do you think they had sex more than once...over the year?

Baby boy? Yeah, the senator really sounded like he wanted sex with a grown up.....:lamo

What do you think the age of consent should be for a 35 year old to have sex with a minor?
 
faithful_servant said:
No, but in the majority of the cases. We have had two sitting Dem. congresscritters get repeatedly re-elected after it was known and proven that they broke the law in this area. We've seen multiple cases outside of Congress where liberals were cuaght red-handed and walked away from the charges. But if it's a Rep./conservative, almost all the time, they pay the price for their crime.
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You say majority so you must have numbers, cite please?
 
chromium said:
Dems never claimed to be the party of "family values" is the difference. In the past quarter century, the religious right has always lined up with republicans

This **** was off at uganda promoting "kill the gays" while he was allegedly sucking off boys in hotels. That's quite different from a quadruple married politician who never incorporated into his campaign that he's god fearing family man and that the unfaithful should be shot
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As a gay man myself, I have little time for those politicians who hide there sexuality behind some pseudo religious family values, while hooking up with rent boys.
 
beefheart said:
No, you are the one trying to make excuses for this guy. He was a missionary...he called him "Baby boy", he texted this minor for over a year...do you think they had sex more than once...over the year?

Baby boy? Yeah, the senator really sounded like he wanted sex with a grown up.....:lamo

What do you think the age of consent should be for a 35 year old to have sex with a minor?
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If you need to believe that to make you sleep better at night, fine by me.

But...

You are wrong.
 
Lord of Planar said:
Get a grip man.

You're acting as if it was you raped.

I'm not making any excuses. Just pointing out that the law and morality are often not aligned.

He may have been arrested initially as "child" prostitution, but since the initial reports, it has come out that the "child" is not a "child" in the eyes of the law, because he is of the "age of consent."

Why is that so difficult to comprehend?
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Younger than 18 in Oklahoma is child prostitution.

This is the charge:


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Ralph Shortey charges | | normantranscript.com


Sounds serious over here on this side of the river. So as has been noted to the thread, if the right and religious ideologues would accept human sexuality rather than make up their own ideas about and against it, situations such as this among many others would need not occur.
 
Lord of Planar said:
If you need to believe that to make you sleep better at night, fine by me.

But...

You are wrong.
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You sure can't answer a simple question: What do you think the age of consent should be for an adult to have sex with his "baby boy" minor?

Have you condemned this hypocrite? Or do you still think that the OK age of consent means anything in a child prostitution charge?

Do you think, since this evangelical politician was talking to this boy for over a year, that maybe they had sex when he was younger?

Do you answer simple questions? Or do you just defend garbage like this guy because you have to cling to a age of consent which isn't valid in this case?

It was child prostitution....stop sticking up for the man and give up your "age of consent" nonsense.
 
Tangmo said:
Younger than 18 in Oklahoma is child prostitution.

This is the charge:


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Ralph Shortey charges | | normantranscript.com


Sounds serious over here on this side of the river. So as has been noted to the thread, if the right and religious ideologues would accept human sexuality rather than make up their own ideas about and against it, situations such as this among many others would need not occur.
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I was reading the laws and noticing that they do treat the under 18 differently, which doesn't make sense because their age of consent is 16.

I'll bet his lawyer has fun with that inconsistency in law.
 
Lord of Planar said:
I was reading the laws and noticing that they do treat the under 18 differently, which doesn't make sense because their age of consent is 16.

I'll bet his lawyer has fun with that inconsistency in law.
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One doubts ACLU will be taking this Bud Bundy loser's case. With it's lifetime guarantee. (Good ole Bud's married with children now y' do know...runs his own store selling shoes 'n guns...or so I think I remember hearing some time back.)

I'm going to try a google check to find out who's representing the sleazebag. After all, in the irony of it Shortey can also be considered a victim of sorts. I'd suppose there's a rightwingnut lawyer in Oklahoma licensed to take such a case.

Then again maybe not. Even Perry Mason couldn't pull this one out of his pocket. It's a classic instance of why we have Public Defender lawyers. Although it could seem the DA is doing the public defending here. And everyone knows Ham Burger would get to wear the collar on this one too besides.

Good to see some of you returning to your senses...dubious as they usually are and albeit ever so reluctantly. At best.
 
Tangmo said:
Good to see some of you returning to your senses...dubious as they usually are and albeit ever so reluctantly. At best.
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The inconsistency in law took me by surprise.

I should have known better.

If the age of 16 is the age of consent, then that should also be the division for other sexual matters.
 
Lord of Planar said:
The inconsistency in law took me by surprise.

I should have known better.

If the age of 16 is the age of consent, then that should also be the division for other sexual matters.
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My Google search turned up several child prostitution criminal defense law firms in Oklahoma City alone. Seems to be a good business for criminal defense lawyers who also specialize in child prostitution cases.

Here's what one child prostitution law firm says to anyone seeking legal representation to defend against the charge....

With a knowledgeable and skillful defense lawyer on your side, you may be able to minimize or avoid the consequences of conviction. Careful defense strategies, painstaking attention to the details of your arrest and evidence, and a willingness to explore every avenue for defense can mean the difference between conviction and a dismissal or acquittal of your criminal charge.

The law firm says it just got charges dismissed this month of child prostitution of a minor under age 16.

Oklahoma Prostitution Lawyer - Dustin S. Phillips


Court records however do not have a lawyer of record for Shortey as the governor et al have demanded he resign from the state senate. Shortey's looking at 5 to 10 years of free room and board provided by the state if the DA has his way in court. The kid is a witness and if there are further incidents of it Shortey would be looking at up to 25 years holiday.

Interesting that Shortey recommended a criminal defense lawyer by name to a local pharmacist who ended up convicted of murder when he shot an armed intruder to his pharmacy. Shortey took on the cause with a public campaign to support the guy. The pharmacist is a retired Lt.Col. of the USAF who shot the 15 year old intruder once to drop him. The pharmacist went into his back room to get another gun and 45 seconds later pumped five more shots into the wounded boy. The Oklahoma City jury deliberated 3 hours to find the pharmacist guilty of murder (vs manslaughter). Shortey organized citizen support and money for the unsuccessful defense. The lawyer Shortey recommended to appeal the conviction also works for the prostitution defense law firm.

Interestinger and interestinger.

Cellmates perhaps.
 
yankintx said:
As a gay man myself, I have little time for those politicians who hide there sexuality behind some pseudo religious family values, while hooking up with rent boys.
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Apparently the facade, no matter how often it fails, still works enough for republicans to have an iron grip on hyper religious states like oklahoma. The voters there must have something wrong with their heads

You might not care about what these extreme phonies are peddling to voters, but it leads directly to depriving entire groups of people of their rights. Just more reason to despise them when they are busted
 
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Tangmo said:
Younger than 18 in Oklahoma is child prostitution.

This is the charge:


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Ralph Shortey charges | | normantranscript.com


Sounds serious over here on this side of the river. So as has been noted to the thread, if the right and religious ideologues would accept human sexuality rather than make up their own ideas about and against it, situations such as this among many others would need not occur.
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count 2 should be thrown out as unconstitutional, but the rest i agree with and if it emerges that they were doing before the kid was 16, they'll add statutory rape
 
Lord of Planar said:
I was reading the laws and noticing that they do treat the under 18 differently, which doesn't make sense because their age of consent is 16.

I'll bet his lawyer has fun with that inconsistency in law.
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no because consenting to sex without $ and exchanging $ for sex are treated differently in every state. I suppose a minor, being ineligible for so many lines of work, can be easily taken advantage of when it comes to being paid for sex. I have even heard of cases where their parents or whoever they're living with peddle them
 
I dont care if the young man was of age. Holier than thou State Senator gets caught with male lover in motel, he is out of a job lying POS.
 
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