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The anti-God democrat party strikes again

Jonsa said:
the infidelity wasn't publicized until after his death. Gary Hart was running for president. But somehow, Trump got elected even tho his voters knew he was cheating sack of ****, who cheated on all three wives wile frequenting hookers, and palling around with a pedophile pimp.

So it seems as far as infidelity is concerned it's trumpsters who think its okay for their leader to practice it as he sees fit.
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You're referring to JFK's infidelity being unpublished until his death...Since JFK's infidelity is known, is JFK any less a person? Any less a politician? Any less a president?
 
cabse5 said:
You're referring to JFK's infidelity being unpublished until his death...Since JFK's infidelity is known, is JFK any less a person? Any less a politician? Any less a president?
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no, but then again he wouldn't have gotten elected if they were known. We are talking the 1960 not 2020.
 
Jonsa said:
no, but then again he wouldn't have gotten elected if they were known. We are talking the 1960 not 2020.
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JFK would never have been elected president? Do you know who JFK was running against for president in 1960?

Still, JFK was a good person even though he was a philanderer?
 
marke said:
You must be talking about Trump. I'm not talking about republicans and I am not talking about democrats. I'm talking about the democrat party platform. It is anti-God, pro death, anti-Israel, anti-Christian, anti-Bible, pro drugs, pro illegal immigration, pro homosexuality, and so forth. There should be no doubt which party is the favorite of ungodly God-rejecting heathen savages in America.
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They just will not let Trump's past be in the past.. like Mr Bill's is
 
marke said:
Millions of Americans hate Trump and conservative Christians because of lying democrat propaganda like this which has fooled the gullible into thinking these hateful democrat depictions of good people are actually factually accurate.

Help restore truth and civility to American political discussions. Vote republican in 2020.
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Very well said

The media really is the enemy of the people...very disturbing thing
 
Jonsa said:
the infidelity wasn't publicized until after his death. Gary Hart was running for president. But somehow, Trump got elected even tho his voters knew he was cheating sack of ****, who cheated on all three wives wile frequenting hookers, and palling around with a pedophile pimp.

So it seems as far as infidelity is concerned it's trumpsters who think its okay for their leader to practice it as he sees fit.
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When he does those things in real time, I will agree
 
uptower said:
There is no excuse whatsoever for anyone who supports perhaps the most godless, pornstar shagging, juvenile watching, cheating, divorcing lying scheming 'president' ever, to talk about which part promotes religious virtues.
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God can and will forgive all of those things. Libtards never will.
 
it's just me said:
God can and will forgive all of those things. Libtards never will.
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BULL ****!!

Some American Christians have shown themselves totally unable to forgive any person who doesn't believe as they believe.

"Libtards", many of whom are Christian believers, just not like those mega-church evangelical types, are much more willing to forgive a person who actually tries to make amends for past sins.

One of the great questions in today's America: WHY is a certain segment of the mostly white evangelical community so willing to ignore the past and present acts of a man who is probably the most corrupt and un-Christian person ever to hold the office of President?
 
2distracted said:
Yes u can do that. Admittedly, no one can prove beyond doubt that God has this or that preference in how ppl govern (except we DO see how egregious things get when God is totally ignored) but most Americans believe the Bible is the Word if God. And this country was founded on Christian ideals...Don't like it? Then go start your own country. So if most ppl agree it's the Word of God...seems we should stick to that.. adhere to the Words of the Bible, the ones that are unequivocal and held by most established Christian Churches
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First the 'wrath of God' 'blessings of God' dynamic is quite subjective. What so-called Christian nations have suffered egregious things because they totally ignored God??? This has been used since man first equated thunder with the Gods anger, plagues with His wrath, and defeating one's enemies with His favor. They didn't understand weather, diseases and medicine, and God is on the side with the biggest Battalions (Napoleon).

28% of Americans believe the Bible is the literal word of God, less than half think it is inspired by His word. (Gallup 2014)

Our nation likes to think it is a Christian nation, but our daily lives, national policies tend to contradict such notions.

Church attendance is at an all-time low- Gallup 2013 telephone survey says approx 37% regularly attend church. Churchleaders.com claim only 23-25% attend church 3 out of 8 Sundays.

I'd say our Republic was founded on Democratic ideals- the so-called Christian ideals are found in a myriad of other religions and the so-called Golden rule seems to be those who have the gold make the rules rather than do unto others as you wish done unto you... :peace
 
Pew Research Center has found that younger Americans across the political spectrum are increasingly less likely to claim religious affiliations

Oct 2019
In U.S., Decline of Christianity Continues at Rapid Pace

Religious “nones” are growing faster among Democrats than Republicans, though their ranks are swelling in both partisan coalitions. And although the religiously unaffiliated are on the rise among younger people and most groups of older adults, their growth is most pronounced among young adults.

Furthermore, the data shows a wide gap between older Americans (Baby Boomers and members of the Silent Generation) and Millennials in their levels of religious affiliation and attendance. More than eight-in-ten members of the Silent Generation (those born between 1928 and 1945) describe themselves as Christians (84%), as do three-quarters of Baby Boomers (76%). In stark contrast, only half of Millennials (49%) describe themselves as Christians; four-in-ten are religious “nones,” and one-in-ten Millennials identify with non-Christian faiths.
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The rising share of Americans who say they attend religious services no more than a few times a year (if at all) has been driven by a substantial jump in the proportion who say they “never” go to church. Today, 17% of Americans say they never attend religious services, up from 11% a decade ago. Similarly, the decline in regular churchgoing is attributable mainly to the shrinking share of Americans who say they attend religious services at least once a week, which was 37% in 2009 and now stands at 31%.
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it's just me said:
God can and will forgive all of those things.
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That always puzzled me. As a teenager I joined the Methodist Church (Catholic light as some called it back then) The concept of heaven and hell seemed to be live a Christian life and the reward is Heaven- fail to do so and eternal damnation is your fate. However you can repent your sins, beg forgiveness and be in a so-called state of grace and back in the eligibility for the E-Ticket ride past the Pearly Gates. So what is the point of trying to live a good Christian Life when all it takes is simple contrition to erase all sins???

Where is the line of what can/will be forgiven? Can child rapists beg forgiveness and be forgiven? How about mass murderers, drug dealers, and the like?

Will God forgive all things???? :peace
 
Somerville said:
BULL ****!!

Some American Christians have shown themselves totally unable to forgive any person who doesn't believe as they believe.

"Libtards", many of whom are Christian believers, just not like those mega-church evangelical types, are much more willing to forgive a person who actually tries to make amends for past sins.

One of the great questions in today's America: WHY is a certain segment of the mostly white evangelical community so willing to ignore the past and present acts of a man who is probably the most corrupt and un-Christian person ever to hold the office of President?
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Bill Clinton? Barack Obama?
 
notquiteright said:
That always puzzled me. As a teenager I joined the Methodist Church (Catholic light as some called it back then) The concept of heaven and hell seemed to be live a Christian life and the reward is Heaven- fail to do so and eternal damnation is your fate. However you can repent your sins, beg forgiveness and be in a so-called state of grace and back in the eligibility for the E-Ticket ride past the Pearly Gates. So what is the point of trying to live a good Christian Life when all it takes is simple contrition to erase all sins???

Where is the line of what can/will be forgiven? Can child rapists beg forgiveness and be forgiven? How about mass murderers, drug dealers, and the like?

Will God forgive all things???? :peace
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Why is it that you guys always have to insert YOUR favorite forbidden sin as the unforgivable sin? There is such a sin as the unforgivable sin, it's called "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit". If you have a concordance look up chapter and verse for yourself. My working definition of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is ascribing the works of the enemy to God, and that covers a lot of ground. There are other opinions, and not everybody agrees that it's truly not unforgivable, since God's property is to always be merciful.

My instincts tell me that God forgives all sins, as long as you truly repent.
 
marke said:
Dems to strike 'so help you God' from the oath taken in front og key House committee, draft shows

Which party attempted to kick God off their platform in 2012? The party catering to atheists, homosexuals, false religionists, God haters, God rejecters, drug users, criminals, cop killers, radicals, seditionists, anarchists, traitors, sex perverts and other godless barbarian savages. It is not that Trump is godly or righteous, it is that Trump shows respect for God, Christians, and Christian values, ideals and American heritage.

Dems to strike '''so help you God''' from oath taken in front of key House committee, draft shows | Fox News
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Why does it matter whether they say so help me God or not. They don’t really mean it.
 
it's just me said:
Why is it that you guys always have to insert YOUR favorite forbidden sin as the unforgivable sin? There is such a sin as the unforgivable sin, it's called "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit". If you have a concordance look up chapter and verse for yourself. My working definition of blaspheming the Holy Spirit is ascribing the works of the enemy to God, and that covers a lot of ground. There are other opinions, and not everybody agrees that it's truly not unforgivable, since God's property is to always be merciful. My instincts tell me that God forgives all sins, as long as you truly repent.
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'You guys'???? WTF!!!! I asked a simple question you are trying to dodge. I just want to know what heinous sin is beyond the pale. I don't have a 'favorite' sin... :roll:

The only one you think is unforgivable is blasphemy against the holy spirit. So in your opinion all other acts are forgivable but talking bad about God... :confused:

Given man's history most educated folks see God as a neglectful deity at best. I realize many 'true believers' look for the sin that brought on childhood cancer, some retribution from not following the 'true path'. Wars where supposed Christians slaughter each other with heathen fury. If God is all powerful all knowing and all seeing (some claim he knows you while still in the womb) then why does he allow 'the works of the enemy' to even begin???? :confused:

Your opinion is all sins are forgivable yet you do hold out one, and only one, as unforgivable- talking bad about God. I don't see God as being so vain, do see pushers of Christianity as not wanting their 'instincts' or simple unsubstantiated opinion questioned.

Now as I pointed out to another poster Gallup shows a tiny minority (less than 20%) regularly attends church. I don't mind people believing what they want when it comes to any higher power, I do mind when the more self righteous of any belief try and claim those who are not as deep into whatever belief system the 'true believer' thinks is supreme.

I see a lot of Godless politicians in the GOP, certainly not principled so lets drop the self-righteous Bull **** about a Godless Party... :peace
 
notquiteright said:
'You guys'???? WTF!!!! I asked a simple question you are trying to dodge. I just want to know what heinous sin is beyond the pale. I don't have a 'favorite' sin... :roll:

The only one you think is unforgivable is blasphemy against the holy spirit. So in your opinion all other acts are forgivable but talking bad about God... :confused:

Given man's history most educated folks see God as a neglectful deity at best. I realize many 'true believers' look for the sin that brought on childhood cancer, some retribution from not following the 'true path'. Wars where supposed Christians slaughter each other with heathen fury. If God is all powerful all knowing and all seeing (some claim he knows you while still in the womb) then why does he allow 'the works of the enemy' to even begin???? :confused:

Your opinion is all sins are forgivable yet you do hold out one, and only one, as unforgivable- talking bad about God. I don't see God as being so vain, do see pushers of Christianity as not wanting their 'instincts' or simple unsubstantiated opinion questioned.

Now as I pointed out to another poster Gallup shows a tiny minority (less than 20%) regularly attends church. I don't mind people believing what they want when it comes to any higher power, I do mind when the more self righteous of any belief try and claim those who are not as deep into whatever belief system the 'true believer' thinks is supreme.

I see a lot of Godless politicians in the GOP, certainly not principled so lets drop the self-righteous Bull **** about a Godless Party... :peace
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Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not "my opinion". Those are the words of Jesus Christ himself when asked specifically about that very thing. If you want to make up your own version of Christianity, as most people do here, it won't be Christianity.
 
it's just me said:
Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is not "my opinion". Those are the words of Jesus Christ himself when asked specifically about that very thing. If you want to make up your own version of Christianity, as most people do here, it won't be Christianity.
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Jesus said a lot of things, The concept is a constant in the Bible. but the definitions of the 'Holy Spirit' vary from one passage to another. So what exactly is the difference between the Holy Spirit and God? Everything I see says God is all of the trinity but Matthew 12:31, Luke 12:10 are almost verbatim allow blasphemy of God but not the Holy Spirit- but God is all three of the Trinity??? There is one God in three 'persons' so blasphemy to one is blasphemy to all- why the almost scholarly (legalistic) jargon by the Matthew and Luke ???

As far as making up versions- ummm just how many sects and denominations exist in Christianity??? It isn't just a 'here' thing but a highly profitable mainstream Christian thing. :confused:

Seems many Churches are made up versions of Christianity.... :2wave:
 
notquiteright said:
Jesus said a lot of things, The concept is a constant in the Bible. but the definitions of the 'Holy Spirit' vary from one passage to another. So what exactly is the difference between the Holy Spirit and God? Everything I see says God is all of the trinity but Matthew 12:31, Luke 12:10 are almost verbatim allow blasphemy of God but not the Holy Spirit- but God is all three of the Trinity??? There is one God in three 'persons' so blasphemy to one is blasphemy to all- why the almost scholarly (legalistic) jargon by the Matthew and Luke ???

As far as making up versions- ummm just how many sects and denominations exist in Christianity??? It isn't just a 'here' thing but a highly profitable mainstream Christian thing. :confused:

Seems many Churches are made up versions of Christianity.... :2wave:
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That is BS. The churches of mainstream Christianity teach the same things, you are obfuscating as scoffers usually do. Tell me: how does Christianity become profitable by teaching the Gospel, I have yet to divine that secret, but it is one of the standard memes of scoffers.

Finally, what ARE the different "versions" of Christianity, and don't include the JWs and Mormons, they are known heretics.
 
notquiteright said:
'You guys'???? WTF!!!! I asked a simple question you are trying to dodge. I just want to know what heinous sin is beyond the pale. I don't have a 'favorite' sin... :roll:

The only one you think is unforgivable is blasphemy against the holy spirit. So in your opinion all other acts are forgivable but talking bad about God... :confused:

Given man's history most educated folks see God as a neglectful deity at best. I realize many 'true believers' look for the sin that brought on childhood cancer, some retribution from not following the 'true path'. Wars where supposed Christians slaughter each other with heathen fury. If God is all powerful all knowing and all seeing (some claim he knows you while still in the womb) then why does he allow 'the works of the enemy' to even begin???? :confused:

Your opinion is all sins are forgivable yet you do hold out one, and only one, as unforgivable- talking bad about God. I don't see God as being so vain, do see pushers of Christianity as not wanting their 'instincts' or simple unsubstantiated opinion questioned.

Now as I pointed out to another poster Gallup shows a tiny minority (less than 20%) regularly attends church. I don't mind people believing what they want when it comes to any higher power, I do mind when the more self righteous of any belief try and claim those who are not as deep into whatever belief system the 'true believer' thinks is supreme.

I see a lot of Godless politicians in the GOP, certainly not principled so lets drop the self-righteous Bull **** about a Godless Party... :peace
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Funny how when ppl discuss the unforgivable sin, they rarely mention what Christ's original Church says on the subject, which is

All sins are forgivable except rejecting forgiveness (from Jesus).

That of course is the only logical answer. In jn 1232 where this sin is mentioned it doesn't say exactly what I just said but that is why we need and why Jesus did establish a CHURCH. The Bible as we know it didn't exist until 1500 years after the Ascension...and it figures that that was also the time ppl started breaking away from the One True Church...when everyone began to have access to their own Bible and could interpret it themselves, often with disastrous consequences

In that psg Jesus warns about this sin because those he speaks to have falsely charged Jesus who is God with doing the work of the devil. Jesus could see into ppl's hearts and knew they ...well, I say they were lying when they accused Jesus of working for the devil.. meaning they knew that wasn't true but hated Jesus....or rsther, they refused to accept him and follow him...the unforgivable sin ( if not repented of before death.) The Catholic Bible I have has a footnote that says these men's hesrts were so hardened against Jesus that it was extremely unlikely they would ever repent but all things are possible with God. Once we know the Truth (Jesus) and reject him anyway...

It's all downhill from there and sooner or later a person completely lack even a desire to be saved
 
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it's just me said:
That is BS. The churches of mainstream Christianity teach the same things, you are obfuscating as scoffers usually do. Tell me: how does Christianity become profitable by teaching the Gospel, I have yet to divine that secret, but it is one of the standard memes of scoffers. Finally, what ARE the different "versions" of Christianity, and don't include the JWs and Mormons, they are known heretics.
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You are dodging as pretenders often do. You must not watch the mega church preachers if you don't know how preaching doesn't bring in the big bucks (and hella cool tax exemptions) Joel Osteen seems to not being willing to take a vow of poverty or live a simple pious lifestyle.

There are versions, not JWs or Mormon,s who don't believe in the holy trinity- ever heard of Unitarian??? dates back to the 16th century before many reform churches(FYI they also don't believe the Bible is literal or infallible... :)

But you ignore my questions about the holy trinity which has a far more complex history than a few passages in the Bible. But again you play dodge away- if God is all three parts of the Trinity why is ONLY blaspheming the Holy Spirit unforgivable??? :confused:

Quit dodging with silly obfuscations... :2wave:
 
notquiteright said:
Jesus said a lot of things, The concept is a constant in the Bible. but the definitions of the 'Holy Spirit' vary from one passage to another. So what exactly is the difference between the Holy Spirit and God? Everything I see says God is all of the trinity but Matthew 12:31, Luke 12:10 are almost verbatim allow blasphemy of God but not the Holy Spirit- but God is all three of the Trinity??? There is one God in three 'persons' so blasphemy to one is blasphemy to all- why the almost scholarly (legalistic) jargon by the Matthew and Luke ???

As far as making up versions- ummm just how many sects and denominations exist in Christianity??? It isn't just a 'here' thing but a highly profitable mainstream Christian thing. :confused:

Seems many Churches are made up versions of Christianity.... :2wave:
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Doesn't seem it like it, it IS that

There was only one Christian Church in the world until the 16 th century. And there's still only one, the Catholic Church. All that came after were founded by humans and are technically not churches bc theres only one...they should be called church communities
 
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notquiteright said:
You are dodging as pretenders often do. You must not watch the mega church preachers if you don't know how preaching doesn't bring in the big bucks (and hella cool tax exemptions) Joel Osteen seems to not being willing to take a vow of poverty or live a simple pious lifestyle.

There are versions, not JWs or Mormon,s who don't believe in the holy trinity- ever heard of Unitarian??? dates back to the 16th century before many reform churches(FYI they also don't believe the Bible is literal or infallible... :)

But you ignore my questions about the holy trinity which has a far more complex history than a few passages in the Bible. But again you play dodge away- if God is all three parts of the Trinity why is ONLY blaspheming the Holy Spirit unforgivable??? :confused:

Quit dodging with silly obfuscations... :2wave:
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The Holy Spirit tells people the Truth.. to reject what the Holy Spirit says is to reject God, Father, Son and HS...and only God (Jesus) can save so that's why one can't get into Heaven if one rejects the HS
 
2distracted said:
Doesn't seem it like it, it IS that. There was only one Christian Church in the world until the 16 th century. And there's still only one, the Catholic Church. All that came after were founded by humans and are technically not churches bc theres only one...they should be called church communities
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If you adhere to only one church, the so-called 'mother' church, then America has never been a 'christian' nation. About 25% of Americans claim to be Catholics- about 40% of them attend church regularly. Not a robust statement of how religious your only church is these days... :(
 
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