Trump's Family Values Are Superior!

cpwill said:

Given that you defend Trump's family values, when:



....apparently not.



You can defend Christianity, and you can defend Trumps' adultery and divorces. You simply cannot do both without self-contradicting.

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Apparently you agree with FRC's selection of Trump's family values over liberal family values?

James972 said:

Apparently you agree with FRC's selection of Trump's family values over liberal family values?

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Nope. I'm not a hypocrite, willing to sell my values to a political candidate. Unlike, tragically, much of the FRC and yourself .

If Trump's family values are Liberal ones, and you oppose Liberal family values, why do you defend Trump's?

cpwill said:

Nope.

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so you don't agree and think liberal family values are superior after all ?

James972 said:

so you don't agree and think liberal family values are superior after all ?

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I think that adultery, broken homes, sexual licentiousness, avarice, pride, narcissism, and the breakdown of God's plan for us and for the family are wrong. I think it is wrong when liberals do it, even if their name is Trump.

You, apparently, disagree, and believe that those values are, indeed, superior. That, after all, is what you said in your title.

You argue that:

James972 said:

Trumps family values are liberal family values

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and that

James972 said:

Trump's Family Values Are Superior!

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If A=B, and B=C, then A=C. You have argued here that liberal family values are superior, not me, nor anyone else in this thread. You are the only one defending them.... while pretending it is others to do so, all in order to chuck your claimed faith to the side in order to defend Trump.


Leave the Golden Calf. It can't love you or save you.

James972 said:

for 11th time why do you think liberal family values are superior to Trump's family values?

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Do we even have a definition of liberal family values yet?

Or does this just lead to some dog-whistle rant about 'ghettos' and 'thugs' and gay parents?

uptower said:

Do we even have a definition of liberal family values yet?

Or does this just lead to some dog-whistle rant about 'ghettos' and 'thugs' and gay parents?

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Option B

uptower said:

Do we even have a definition of liberal family values yet?

Or does this just lead to some dog-whistle rant about 'ghettos' and 'thugs' and gay parents?

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It seems to be something about divorce, lack of family formation, and something about a school-to-prison-sex-abuse-pipeline, which I'll admit, I'm not familiar with (our guidance counselors never mentioned that option).

uptower said:

Do we even have a definition of liberal family values yet?

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sure for 120th time: liberal ghetto school to prison sex abuse pipeline!

cpwill said:

It seems to be something about divorce, lack of family formation, and something about a school-to-prison-sex-abuse-pipeline, which I'll admit, I'm not familiar with (our guidance counselors never mentioned that option).

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The Emergence of the Liberal School-to-Prison Pipeline
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This phenomenon is referred to as the school-to-prison pipeline. The NAACP Legal Defense Fund described this pipeline as “funneling of students out of school ...
[PDF]The Origins of the School to Prison Pipeline - America Divided
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The Origins of the School to Prison Pipeline. •Portal Page - Advancement Project - Advancement Project •. Harsh school policies and practices and an increased role of law enforcement in ...
School-to-prison pipeline - Wikipedia
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Jump to History - In the United States, the school-to-prison pipeline (SPP), also known as the school-to-prison link or the schoolhouse-to-jailhouse track, is the disproportionate tendency of minors and young adults from disadvantaged backgrounds to become incarcerated, because of increasingly harsh school and municipal policies.
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cpwill said:

I think it is wrong when liberals do it, even if their name is Trump.

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so you think liberal family values and Trump family values are equal and Trumps are not superior??

cpwill said:

You have argued here that liberal family values are superior,

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yes Trumps liberal family values, though deplorable, are superior to liberal family values in general which are characterized by the school to prison pipeline. Do you understand?

cpwill said:

If Trump's family values are Liberal ones, and you oppose Liberal family values, why do you defend Trump's?

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very very simple, because Trumps values though deplorable are still better than liberal family values in general. NOw do you understand?

James972 said:

yes Trumps liberal family values, though deplorable, are superior to liberal family values

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On the contrary, as you put it:

James972 said:

Trumps family values are liberal family values

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I know of lots of liberals who are fine with open marriages, and many who are fine with divorce. I don't know of any who approve of cheating on spouses who do not wish to be cheated on, and I know plenty of Liberals who have remained married to one person their entire lives, raising children, and not cheating on them - feats Trump seems unable to manage. Because those liberals have better family values than he does.

But it's good to see you've retreated admitting that Trump's family values are deplorable. That is true. He is indeed, morally deplorable. One of the many reasons why Christians shouldn't rush to associate themselves with him, as the FRC and others do.

the school-to-prison pipeline (SPP), also known as the school-to-prison link or the schoolhouse-to-jailhouse track, is the disproportionate tendency of minors and young adults from disadvantaged backgrounds to become incarcerated, because of increasingly harsh school and municipal policies.

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Ah. Well if you want to drop the whole, weird, sex-abuse-thing, alright. I concur that there is a disproportionate tendency of young adults and minors from disadvantaged backgrounds to become incarcerated. I disagree with the idea that this is due to increasingly harsh school policies, though I could see how "three strikes" laws could impact it (though those are State level policies, not municipal ones).

I would love for you to highlight how you think that sending young men to prison is a liberal family value; I think you will generally find quite the opposite. Obama, for example, had his education department sharply reduce their incidence of pursuing disciplinary measures against those very youths.


Perhaps you are trying to say that you value the family values of Obama (who has never divorced, never - so far as we know - cheated on multiple wives, and who attempted to reduce the school-to-prison-pipeline you complain about) more than Trump's?

cpwill said:

On the contrary, as you put it:
I know of lots of liberals who are fine with open marriages,

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we are not talking about your silly anecdotal information but school to prison piple line that liberals created and support so much.

cpwill said:

But it's good to see you've retreated admitting that Trump's family values are deplorable.)

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no retreat at all reread OP for comprehension.

cpwill said:

I would love for you to highlight how you think that sending young men to prison is a liberal family value

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when liberals attacked love and family in America the natural consequence was prison for kids from those liberal homes.

Born Free said:

I guess when you compare Trump vs Bubba, where Bubba ****ed all his conquest in front of Hillary and got all his blowjobs in the oval office from a 22 yr old intern and lied under oath and one said he raped her, Trump looks pretty good to me. Plus he's a billionaire and all his kids are doing fantastic and are rich. Bubba Clinton has no family values.

Going back to the one that accused Bubba of rape you surly believe her, as you believed all the woman that accused Kev of sexual assault, without anyone corroborating their claims. But that does not mean anything you believe her so she was rapped by Bubba Clinton.

Further I suggest Trump's family does not give a **** what you think.

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Just wanting to be clear that you're using another person's unethical behavior to minimize another person's unethical behavior...

cpwill said:

Perhaps you are trying to say that you value the family values of Obama

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Obama was uber liberal who fully supported liberal school to prison pipeline despite the utter hypocrisy of his personal life. HE was not about to tell the truth to his political base.

James972 said:

we are not talking about your silly anecdotal information but school to prison piple line that liberals created and support so much.

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Citation to support this positive claim is factual? ^^^

James972 said:

when liberals attacked love and family in America the natural consequence was prison for kids from those liberal homes.

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I'm not aware of Liberals attacking Love. Could you point that out to us, please?


But I'm glad to see you retreat, again, from the position that this was a liberal preferred policy objective, to admitting that it was an unintended consequence of their preferences in other areas.

Obama was uber liberal who fully supported liberal school to prison pipeline despite the utter hypocrisy of his personal life. HE was not about to tell the truth to his political base.

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Actually, no. As I pointed out, Obama deplored the tendency of disadvantaged youth to disproportionately end up incarcerated, and sought policy options to reduce its incidence (I think those policies were misguided, but they were indeed intended to do such). Trump has done nothing that I am aware of to attempt to impact it one way or the other.


Obama also managed to stay married to one woman his entire life. If "By their fruits ye shall know them" is true (and, Christians would say that it is), then, we are left with the inescapable conclusion that - by your standards - his family values were superior to the deplorable family values of Trump.


Talk Radio doesn't help one out with logic much. It's mostly about emoting together.

cpwill said:

I'm not aware of Liberals attacking Love.

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wow!! giving welfare for throwing a man out rather than loving him. NOW do you understand??

James972 said:

when liberals attacked love and family in America the natural consequence was prison for kids from those liberal homes.

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Citation liberals attacked love and family in America ?

cpwill said:

to admitting that it was an unintended consequence of their preferences in other areas.

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if unintended 60 years OK that was just just pure liberal stupidity but once the attack on love created consequences 60 years ago and liberal continue the attack on love for 60 years the consequences are no long unintended.

James972 said:

if unintended 60 years OK that was just just pure liberal stupidity but once the attack on love created consequences 60 years ago and liberal continue the attack on love for 60 years the consequences are no long unintended.

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Citation liberals have attacked love ?

James972 said:

cpwill said:

I'm not aware of Liberals attacking Love. Could you point that out to us, please?

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wow!! giving welfare for throwing a man out rather than loving him. NOW do you understand??

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So, you can't cite it for us, this is simply another area where you have chosen to confuse an unintended consequence with a value.

But it's good to see you cite that things such as kicking out one's spouse is bad.