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You're transphobic if you aren't bisexual.[W:113]

Fishking said:
Huh? I'm using the premise of the person in the video. Like, if I date a transwoman (woman with a penis) am I gay or straight?
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Yeah, sorry, i read what you wrote after and have to take back my misinterpretation.

Thank you for clarifying.
 
CLAX1911 said:
I don't think it's likely. The only way I could forsee that happening is if my partner of 9 years said he wanted to be a woman. I'd find it hard to turn off my love because of that.
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My wife is having that struggle. She is not a lesbian, and being married to a MTF Transwoman is... a challenge, one she has agreed to work with me on. We MIGHT end up divorced in the end, I might decide to never have GRS, it's not easy. It's a challenge more internal than anything.
 
maquiscat said:
If it weren't for the fact that 100%-1 of her attractions were to females, I might agree with you. I think it just goes to show that even if you are of a given sexuality there could be an exception to the rule.
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Maybe she's 1% pansexual, rofl.
 
Renae said:
My wife is having that struggle. She is not a lesbian, and being married to a MTF Transwoman is... a challenge, one she has agreed to work with me on. We MIGHT end up divorced in the end, I might decide to never have GRS, it's not easy. It's a challenge more internal than anything.
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That's a struggle in glad I haven't had to face. But if your wife isn't a lesbian and you remain married and choose not to have your sex reassigned, you're conceding to being male. Whether you crossdress or not. So my question is, is it a choice?
 
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Henrin said:
Lol. Except of course I'm not wrong. Remember now, your future clit is now the head of your penis. When you're enjoying that clit in the future just know it's your penis. lol
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Does it bother you so that you used to have an umbilical cord attached and so did your partner?

Should guys who are circumcised give up hope sexually because they had their penis cut?

People go thru changes in life
 
CLAX1911 said:
That's a struggle in glad I haven't had to face. But if your wife isn't a lesbian and you remain married and choose not to have your sex reassigned, you're conceding to being male. Whether you crossdress or not. So my question is, is it a choice?
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I identify female, I live, work, play as female. I am free from the shackles of denial, I'll never be a man again, thankfully. However, due to science not yet able to alter genetic code, clone us new bodies to be loaded into, I'll always be "male" in that regard. Okay, if I keep my package? My penis or potential lack there of, does NOT define who I am, and I mock anyone who thinks otherwise.
 
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Why is there such an interest in other people sex life and why does some posters here feel that they have a duty and right to declare what is acceptable and normal between consenting adults?
 
Renae said:
I identify female, I live, work, play as female. I am free from the shackles of denial, I'll never be a man again, thankfully. However, due to science not yet able to alter genetic code, clone us new bodies to be loaded into, I'll always be "male" in that regard. Okay, if I keep my package? My penis or potential lack there of, does NOT define who I am, and I mock anyone who thinks otherwise.
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Best wishes to you and your misses.
 
Renae said:
My wife is having that struggle. She is not a lesbian, and being married to a MTF Transwoman is... a challenge, one she has agreed to work with me on. We MIGHT end up divorced in the end, I might decide to never have GRS, it's not easy. It's a challenge more internal than anything.
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Sorry about that. Sounds like a rough situation to deal with. How'd that all go down, if you don't mind me asking? Where you all "dude-ified" before but kinda kept the trans thing tamped down but then couldn't keep with it or has she always known?
 
Fishking said:
Sorry about that. Sounds like a rough situation to deal with. How'd that all go down, if you don't mind me asking? Where you all "dude-ified" before but kinda kept the trans thing tamped down but then couldn't keep with it or has she always known?
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After I got out the Navy, I was working at UTSA and made a number of friends. Recently I reconnected with an old friend via Steam. He was taken aback, "Congratz, but I gotta ask, are you messing with me? Cause you always came across as a guys guy..."


As for my wife, she met Renae on our second date, I was certain at that time, I'd never be brave enough to do more than hide in the shadows. My wife, has helped me see that was the worst choice to make.
 
Renae said:
After I got out the Navy, I was working at UTSA and made a number of friends. Recently I reconnected with an old friend via Steam. He was taken aback, "Congratz, but I gotta ask, are you messing with me? Cause you always came across as a guys guy..."
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Hey! My wife was a squid! :P
 
CLAX1911 said:
That's a struggle in glad I haven't had to face. But if your wife isn't a lesbian and you remain married and choose not to have your sex reassigned, you're conceding to being male. Whether you crossdress or not. So my question is, is it a choice?
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She's conceding to have a penis, but is that making her male? I think we have seen enough evidence to show that genitals alone do not determine gender, so how does choosing to keep the penis determine that she is male. Henrin' bias aside.
 
Renae said:
:) AG2(AW) when I got out in 2005.
Been a long journey from those days.
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Nuke EM2(SS). Remember there are only two types of vessels at sea: submarines and targets ;)
 
maquiscat said:
Nuke EM2(SS). Remember there are only two types of vessels at sea: submarines and targets ;)
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My uncle was a MM, senior chief I believe he got out as, his advice when I joined was "Don't be a submariner, don't be a nuke"
 
Renae said:
I identify female, I live, work, play as female. I am free from the shackles of denial, I'll never be a man again, thankfully. However, due to science not yet able to alter genetic code, clone us new bodies to be loaded into, I'll always be "male" in that regard. Okay, if I keep my package? My penis or potential lack there of, does NOT define who I am, and I mock anyone who thinks otherwise.
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I see nothing wrong with that statement. It's your life; your call. Free country.

In that respect, we live in a good country.
 
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chromium said:
If they have a vagina and tits i don't know why on earth you'd care what the chromosomes are, unless you want biological kids
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because I am not into d00ds, no matter how much body modification they have had. *shrug*
 
maquiscat said:
She's conceding to have a penis, but is that making her male?
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You tell me, how do we tell if a dog is male?

I think we have seen enough evidence to show that genitals alone do not determine gender, so how does choosing to keep the penis determine that she is male. Henrin' bias aside.
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Male and female is sex, not gender. Sex is defined by anatomy. So yes having a penis absolutely makes a person male. Their identity can be really anything.

When it comes down to it, it really isn't my business.
 
CLAX1911 said:
You tell me, how do we tell if a dog is male?

Male and female is sex, not gender. Sex is defined by anatomy. So yes having a penis absolutely makes a person male. Their identity can be really anything.

When it comes down to it, it really isn't my business.
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Weird to me is how people confuse gender identity with what is biological fact. But, meh...that's the least of my concerns in the age of Trump.
 
calamity said:
Weird to me is how people confuse gender identity with what is biological fact. But, meh...that's the least of my concerns in the age of Trump.
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Nobody confuses it. Having feminine personality or a masculine personality isn't really related to sex. If it was the idea of a "butch woman," "tom boy," "fem boy" or "girly man wouldn't exist. Sex is biology. Gender identity is more of a concept as it relates to stereotypical concepts of manliness or womanishness.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
because I am not into d00ds, no matter how much body modification they have had. *shrug*
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by that logic, sure you are. Everyone starts out female. It's why d00ds have breasts.

Everyone's body goes thru substantial 'modification' It's a mental hangup on your part more than it is the transgender
 
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chromium said:
by that logic, sure you are. Everyone starts out female. It's why d00ds have breasts.

Everyone's body goes thru substantial 'modification' It's a mental hangup on your part more than it is the transgender
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No it isn't. A transwoman is certainly different from a woman.
 
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I think that's one of the issues when dealing with public policy related to gender. There is no universally (or legally) accepted definition of transgender. Who can claim to be a male v female? It is wide open to interpretation.
 
CLAX1911 said:
You tell me, how do we tell if a dog is male?

Male and female is sex, not gender. Sex is defined by anatomy. So yes having a penis absolutely makes a person male. Their identity can be really anything.

When it comes down to it, it really isn't my business.
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Male and female are used interchangeably for both gender and sex, as is man and woman. I won't argue that sex is determined birth anatomy and is a separate thing from gender. So one's sex can be male and gender female, or vice versa.

As to animals, since they have no sense of self as we do, they have no gender identity. They don't think in terms of male/female. Even when engaged in breeding activities, we have plenty of example of homosexual activities among animals. There is nothing there saying to them, "I am a male having sex with another male". They are simply engaging in what seems natural to them.
 
maquiscat said:
Male and female are used interchangeably for both gender and sex, as is man and woman. I won't argue that sex is determined birth anatomy and is a separate thing from gender. So one's sex can be male and gender female, or vice versa.
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A make can identify as a female. But there would be nothing female about her/him. We have to stipulate context otherwise we will get lost in the ambiguity. I dint think it's a wrong to say a trans woman is male.

As to animals, since they have no sense of self as we do, they have no gender identity. They don't think in terms of male/female. Even when engaged in breeding activities, we have plenty of example of homosexual activities among animals. There is nothing there saying to them, "I am a male having sex with another male". They are simply engaging in what seems natural to them.
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I'm not talking about how animals identify themselves, I'm talking about how we identify them. Further they can hump all they want but a jack donkey will never give birth to a foal and a jenny will never produce sperm.

Humans have developed a higher level of consciousness so we have identities. Identities can be separate from sex. I'm not against that.

If you were to ask me if I would date a trans man, the answer is no. I prefer males for romantic partners. A trans man will never be male. That doesn't make me "transphobic" or any other variation of that word. I accept trans people I will give them the same courtesies I'd give anyone else. But on a romantic level a woman cannot be a man.

But, in going to leave it open, because you never know. I could meet a trans man that changes my mind. As of yet I haven't.
 
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