Your #Walkaway story, or reason.

[Oborosen]

Ha Ha. You started a half-cocked Russiabot troll thread and got called on it by several posters. The #walkaway crap is more Kremlin-influenced Trumpkin nonsense. If you love Trump, so be it. But the entire “I used to be a democrat but they were too nasty and dishonest so now I support the most boorish and dishonest president in history” shtick is just too tough a sell.

Boorish - yes, dishonest - definitely. Too bad that you have already forgotten just what it is to be a politician and apparently you only hold him to such high standards.

But retreating into calling me a Russian bot or some other crap like that just shows how little you see the world around you today.

So go ahead and revel in this bigotry against and whole demographic all you want. You at least have the right to choose that path to take, despite how disgusting of a person it reveals you to be.

 

[dirtpoorchris]

 

[Kobie]

Yeah, they're walking away from the Dems in droves!

https://www.axios.com/democrats-cru...rms-872f7ad2-7a3b-4f7c-97b0-8070448e2df4.html

A first look for Axios readers: Larry Sabato's Crystal Ball at the University of Virginia has a detailed map of where Democrats and Republicans are ahead in party registration among voters.

Why it matters, from Rhodes Cook: "The Democrats approach this fall’s midterm elections with an advantage in one key aspect of the political process — their strength in states where voters register by party."


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Key numbers: Among the 31 states (plus D.C.) with party registration, there are nearly 12 million more registered Democrats than Republicans.

40% of all voters in party registration states are Democrats, 29% are Republicans, and 28% are independents.

In 19 states (plus D.C.) there are more registered Democrats; in the remaining 12 there are more registered Republicans.

This can make all the difference. A quick look back to 2016 shows Trump won 11 of those 12 states with more Republican registered voters.

Please, tell us more about the upcoming red wave. You idiots.

The only way the GOP wins elections anymore is through gerrymandering and voter suppression. American conservatism, as practiced today, is (thankfully) a dying ideology.

 

[LincolnRossiter]

But retreating into calling me a Russian bot or some other crap like that just shows how little you see the world around you today.

I’ve lived in five countries on three continents in my adult life. And I’ve spent time in over 50 counties in a personal or professional capacity. Also, I’ve traveled to (I think) about 40 of our 56+ states and territories. Came with the life. I’ve seen plenty of the world. My condescension toward you isn’t born of elitism or a lack of experience. I’m a southern boy at heart, in fact.

You and most Trumpkins are just regrettable human beings. I don’t loathe you, but I see you for what you are.

Sorry not sorry.

 

[Oborosen]

"Trump is doing better than what you originally gave him credit for" I guess that means that you started with an "extremely low bar" for him. Oh, I grant you that his Presidency has brought about a better economy but in everything else, he is batting "0" and being the President means that you should "try" to be a role model to our kids and that means that you must want your kids to be bullies, insulting, disrespectful, have no morals, separate kids from their mothers and fathers, and lie all the time.

Boy, what a father you must be.

By the way, I am 72 years old, served my country, was economically successful in my life but more important I am loved and respected by those who know me. I don't know about you, but becoming loved and respected is not something you get by winning the lottery but by working at being honest, respectful, loving, and principled.

I respect people that work to accomplish the same because it ain't easy. I had no father that gave me $14 million to start off my life economically and that in the process I bankrupted 6 companies and was sued 3500 times by those that worked or trusted me.

If that is the person you want your kids to be like, then as a person you are not worth anything........my opinion.

I don't think I have ever met anyone who toots their own horn and then proceeds to bury.

Firstly, you deride Trump for being who he is and that is fine, yet you are most likely blind to just how the last four administrations operated and the kinds of things they have do to people both domestic and foreign. Not to mention the treatment of people crossing the boarder illegally. If you actually believed that he was putting kids in cages as well, then you have my pity.
Trump is a good businessman and a good leader. Fact being if he were neither, He would not still have his own company and he would not still be president of the united states.

Secondly, the president is not to be a role model. I don't care what your misconceptions are about it, but the president is supposed to do what he can to ensure the survivable of his country. Brokering trade, sending people to fight and possibly die and to hold his own country together in the event of a crisis. I have seen no indicator that this job requires the president to be a role model. So telling me that he should be something that there is no basis for him being "which is lying" is fruitless.

You derided me and spoke hollow words from point one of your original response. Proving that you have nothing in the way of the character, that you just attempted to portray and all simply because I shared my small story on only a few reasons of why I left the democratic party.

You proved you know nothing of business, seeing as many file bankruptcy as a simple tactic and the amount frivolous lawsuits even a Mom&Pop could acquire, will even be staggering in or itself.

You might just be 72, but if want to pretend at being respectable and upstanding. Then I suggest you stop, because you aren't fooling anyone at this point.

 

[Grand Mal]

Leftist progressives don't, they've very much into deplatforming and claiming Hate Speech isn't protected speech. "Shut them down!"

If you think that a lie, you don't know me and you haven't been paying attention at all politically.

Does 'liberal' = 'leftist progressive' in your world?

 

[CLAX1911]

I don’t know or care who Brandon Straka is.

There are four threads on DP that have #walkaway in the title — this one, two by zimmer and one by Mr. Wonderful. I rest my case.

This is a nakedly transparent attempt to discourage potential Democratic voters.

Would you consider yourself a democratic voter is it working on you and if not why do you think it would work on anyone else?

 

[Kobie]

Would you consider yourself a democratic voter is it working on you and if not why do you think it would work on anyone else?

I certainly vote for far more Democrats than Republicans.

I don't know what either of your other questions mean.

 

[CLAX1911]

I certainly vote for far more Democrats than Republicans.

I don't know what either of your other questions mean.

Well you did say it was to discourage potential Democrat voters.

If it doesn't work on you what makes you think it would work on other people?

 

[Oborosen]

My point is that the claims about "huge numbers" of Democrats leaving the party is straight-up bull****, hyped by the far right and Russian operators for their own political ends. In turn, they ignore those who are leaving the Republican party for various reasons.

Keep in mind that I am not saying "no one is leaving." Rather, people are leaving both parties, mostly to become independent. Even in years when party affiliation grows, there are people who are leaving or switching both parties.



How many is "many?" 5, 10, 20? There are probably 90 million people in the US that identify with the Democratic party. Let me know when 20 million people post about leaving the Democratic Party on Twitter.

And no, your own personal story is not proof of a national movement. It is merely one story.

I didn't say that everyone was leaving for the republican party, so you still have no real point. This was my reason for leaving and I didn't even have the space to put in the whole story.
Yet you still seem to think that this is a Russia bot thing, or something like that. I haven't seen any real evidence that the hashtag itself is a Russian bot, because the first one I noticed to do it was a friend who followed James Woods. Who doesn't even agree with everything Trump ran on, so your narrative there is dead in the water.

If your only rebuttal is to claim that its not all people going to the republican party, then yes. Its not about that.
However if all you can say is that its a Russian bot, then you are missing the point and are just resigning to be willingly dishonest about what is happening.

If you want a number, 5 million would be a decent guess. Though that was a good while back when the hash tag popped up. So it could be far more than the original number now.

 

[Oborosen]

Gee, play dumb much?

Of course, you know that the FACTS show there is no movement away from the Democratic Party by the public. The FACTS actually show a movement TOWARD affiliation with the Democratic Party.

The FACTS also show that the entire #walkaway "movement" is just another in a long series of Russian-inspired bot memes. There is no movement among liberals and self-identified Democrats AWAY from the Democratic Party. Period.

To argue otherwise is to be either dishonest, or a willing member in Putin's Band of "Useful Idiots" within the once-Grand Old Party of this country.

Seeing as how the movement actually started. I'll go ahead and just ignore the other lies that you keep spewing.

People are leaving, maybe not in great numbers and that was never my point in the post, only your misinterpretation.

However if all you can do is claim it to be a Russian bot, without any proof to the contrary. Then you can still beat your head against your keyboard, just disconnect it first.

 

[Luckyone]

I don't think I have ever met anyone who toots their own horn and then proceeds to bury.

Firstly, you deride Trump for being who he is and that is fine, yet you are most likely blind to just how the last four administrations operated and the kinds of things they have do to people both domestic and foreign. Not to mention the treatment of people crossing the boarder illegally. If you actually believed that he was putting kids in cages as well, then you have my pity.
Trump is a good businessman and a good leader. Fact being if he were neither, He would not still have his own company and he would not still be president of the united states.

Secondly, the president is not to be a role model. I don't care what your misconceptions are about it, but the president is supposed to do what he can to ensure the survivable of his country. Brokering trade, sending people to fight and possibly die and to hold his own country together in the event of a crisis. I have seen no indicator that this job requires the president to be a role model. So telling me that he should be something that there is no basis for him being "which is lying" is fruitless.

You derided me and spoke hollow words from point one of your original response. Proving that you have nothing in the way of the character, that you just attempted to portray and all simply because I shared my small story on only a few reasons of why I left the democratic party.

You proved you know nothing of business, seeing as many file bankruptcy as a simple tactic and the amount frivolous lawsuits even a Mom&Pop could acquire, will even be staggering in or itself.

You might just be 72, but if want to pretend at being respectable and upstanding. Then I suggest you stop, because you aren't fooling anyone at this point.

You certainly have the right to your own opinion and to your own values. Nonetheless, the difference between us is certainly evident inasmuch as you support a person that is abusive with women as well as with 'everyone" that has a different opinion from his own, has no morals, no heart, no vision other than to destroy everything that doesn't comfort with his views. He loves and respects dictators and does not support our constitution except when it suits him. I on the other hand, believe in love, caring, sharing, appreciation for what God gave me and respect people unless they do something to break the guidelines that I believe we all need to have as basics of human conduct.

Whatever else you may think or believe, this statement is a clear reality of who I am and what I believe. As such and to me, you have no value as a person.

 

[Kobie]

Well you did say it was to discourage potential Democrat voters.

If it doesn't work on you what makes you think it would work on other people?

Is that a serious question?

 

[Visbek]

I didn't say that everyone was leaving for the republican party, so you still have no real point. This was my reason for leaving and I didn't even have the space to put in the whole story.

Try reading my post.

I never said "Oborosen didn't leave the Democratic party!" My point is that the momentary hype over this is nonsense, because people leave political parties all the time, for all sorts of reasons.

Yet you still seem to think that this is a Russia bot thing, or something like that. I haven't seen any real evidence that the hashtag itself is a Russian bot, because the first one I noticed to do it was a friend who followed James Woods. Who doesn't even agree with everything Trump ran on, so your narrative there is dead in the water.

In case you missed it in my last post: Anecdotes are not evidence.

When we look at the evidence, at least two organizations that keep track of Russian bots have picked up on the connection.

Arc Digital:
https://arcdigital.media/pro-trump-...rats-in-new-astroturfed-movement-20359c1906d3

Hamilton 68:
The #walkaway movement, a campaign highlighting alleged discord among the left, got a boost this week from accounts linked to Russian influence operations. The first use of the #walkaway hashtag from accounts monitored on Hamilton 68 was noted in early June (a few weeks after the grassroots campaign began), but engagement remained relatively low throughout the month. Activity spiked on July 2, when Hamilton 68 noted 73 unique tweets using #walkaway, and roughly another 50 using related campaign hashtags (e.g. #walkawaymovement). The late engagement suggests Kremlin-oriented accounts are trailers rather than leaders of the campaign, but the high-level of current engagement indicates an effort to astroturf support for the movement and hijack the narrative. This includes several monitored accounts that have changed their handles to include the hashtag, or that have shared their own supposed walkaway moments. The campaign also received a direct boost from Russian propaganda outlets RT and Sputnik, both of which ran stories on the movement.

If your only rebuttal is to claim that its not all people going to the republican party, then yes. Its not about that.
However if all you can say is that its a Russian bot, then you are missing the point and are just resigning to be willingly dishonest about what is happening.

Again, try to read. My points are:

• People leave or switch parties all the time
• Even as I type, there are people who are leaving the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, or stop being independent
• Anecdotes are meaningless when it comes to determining what large numbers of people are doing
• This is being hyped by right-wing media and Russia, to meet their own agendas

If you want a number, 5 million would be a decent guess. Though that was a good while back when the hash tag popped up. So it could be far more than the original number now.

And that 5 million number would be total bull****, that you just pulled out of your ass. Impressive.

 

[ultmd]

Seeing as how the movement actually started. I'll go ahead and just ignore the other lies that you keep spewing.

People are leaving, maybe not in great numbers and that was never my point in the post, only your misinterpretation.

However if all you can do is claim it to be a Russian bot, without any proof to the contrary. Then you can still beat your head against your keyboard, just disconnect it first.

Let me repeat again:

To argue the facts and cling to Kremlin-inspired fake news and bot-inspired social media memes (like "#walkaway).......is to be one of two things: (1)dishonest, or (2) one of the "useful idiots" that Putin has worked to create here in American.

Either way, congratulations on being an unwitting (or perhaps witting?) subversive. Your forefathers would be ashamed of you.

 

[MrWonka]

I have been meaning to put this up for a few days and finally managed to get to it after finding a space in my usual work schedule. Also it has come to my attention that more than a few people have their own stories and/or reasons for leaving the democratic party like I did.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

https://www.salon.com/2018/07/09/ru...ck-on-democrats-is-a-likely-kremlin-operation

Tell your boss, Vladimir, I said hi!

 

[MrWonka]

See, this is what I'm talking about. It's like a cult. You leave and you're demonized, maligned and attacked.

Actually, you're generally demonized, maligned and attacked when you join a cult.

 

[MrWonka]

.
It's like leaving Scientology.

Or joining it in this case.

 

[CLAX1911]

Is that a serious question?

Yes does it work on you and if it doesn't why would you think it would work on anyone else do you have that little respect four other people in your party? If so I understand why they're walking away.

 

[RAMOSS]

Given that literally the only people I’ve seen discuss #walkaway are raving wingnuts, I tend to agree with this assessment.

Indeed. When it comes to the republican party, the ones that 'left' the republican party proclaim "I didn't leave the republican party, the republican party left me'. Many of the so called 'ex-democrats' are so politically extreme to the right I have a hard time thinking they were ever democrats.

 

[Oborosen]

You certainly have the right to your own opinion and to your own values. Nonetheless, the difference between us is certainly evident inasmuch as you support a person that is abusive with women as well as with 'everyone" that has a different opinion from his own, has no morals, no heart, no vision other than to destroy everything that doesn't comfort with his views. He loves and respects dictators and does not support our constitution except when it suits him. I on the other hand, believe in love, caring, sharing, appreciation for what God gave me and respect people unless they do something to break the guidelines that I believe we all need to have as basics of human conduct.

Whatever else you may think or believe, this statement is a clear reality of who I am and what I believe. As such and to me, you have no value as a person.

So you are just going to keep repeating more of the same "Do as I say and not as I do".

I have seen people make these claims of Trump for more than a year now and for a majority of the time. If it isn't a problem with his policies, then its most likely a complete lie.

 

[Oborosen]

Try reading my post.

I never said "Oborosen didn't leave the Democratic party!" My point is that the momentary hype over this is nonsense, because people leave political parties all the time, for all sorts of reasons.

No **** Sherlock, people have always been doing that. The problem for you being that this was my own story and it was nothing but that. Yet you seem to think that screeching Russian Bot or some inane crap like that is going to make it vanish.

In case you missed it in my last post: Anecdotes are not evidence.

When we look at the evidence, at least two organizations that keep track of Russian bots have picked up on the connection.

Arc Digital:
https://arcdigital.media/pro-trump-...rats-in-new-astroturfed-movement-20359c1906d3

Hamilton 68:
The #walkaway movement, a campaign highlighting alleged discord among the left, got a boost this week from accounts linked to Russian influence operations. The first use of the #walkaway hashtag from accounts monitored on Hamilton 68 was noted in early June (a few weeks after the grassroots campaign began), but engagement remained relatively low throughout the month. Activity spiked on July 2, when Hamilton 68 noted 73 unique tweets using #walkaway, and roughly another 50 using related campaign hashtags (e.g. #walkawaymovement). The late engagement suggests Kremlin-oriented accounts are trailers rather than leaders of the campaign, but the high-level of current engagement indicates an effort to astroturf support for the movement and hijack the narrative. This includes several monitored accounts that have changed their handles to include the hashtag, or that have shared their own supposed walkaway moments. The campaign also received a direct boost from Russian propaganda outlets RT and Sputnik, both of which ran stories on the movement.

There are people on social media that get banned under suspicion of being a Russian bot, even though they are normal people. If these people did this test just aligning hashtags, then they are doing a **** job and trying to fill some sort of quota. Because from what this says, they don't have any actual evidence that these accounts are Russian bots. Which means they are basically generating this crap from thin air.

Again, try to read. My points are:

• People leave or switch parties all the time
• Even as I type, there are people who are leaving the Democratic Party, the Republican Party, or stop being independent
• Anecdotes are meaningless when it comes to determining what large numbers of people are doing
• This is being hyped by right-wing media and Russia, to meet their own agendas

At best, these points are moot. You are either rehashing things, or static half facts. Because the left are doing their best to downplay this thing with the same kind of "its a Russia bot crap" that you are trying to pull.

And that 5 million number would be total bull****, that you just pulled out of your ass. Impressive.

That was the number of times the hash-tag had been tweeted, the first 10 hours it had started. Or do you not know how to look at a simple twitter page?

 

[Oborosen]

Let me repeat again:

To argue the facts and cling to Kremlin-inspired fake news and bot-inspired social media memes (like "#walkaway).......is to be one of two things: (1)dishonest, or (2) one of the "useful idiots" that Putin has worked to create here in American.

Either way, congratulations on being an unwitting (or perhaps witting?) subversive. Your forefathers would be ashamed of you.

Argue what facts? You have yet to actually supply any real facts to the contrary of what you are saying.

All you can do is call it a bot-inspired meme, or call me a "useful idiot". Without actually having any proof for that either.

So I would suggest you actually bring some evidence next time.

Or you can keep licking Hillary's boots for all I care. It doesn't really matter at this point.

 

[Oborosen]

HAHAHAHAHA!!!

https://www.salon.com/2018/07/09/ru...ck-on-democrats-is-a-likely-kremlin-operation

Tell your boss, Vladimir, I said hi!

Nice try Wonka, but you might want to go with a news source that at least checks its sources, or firstly even proves to have evidence in the first place.

But honestly man, Salon?
Are you really that desperate.?