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Youngest Migrants Held in 'Tender Age' Shelters

Electronic tracking bracelets then?

The Obama administration was having success with the ankle monitors.

From the following:

The White House, after stating recently that it will look to expand alternatives to incarceration, has devised a cost-effective plan: ankle monitors. Instead of detaining illegal immigrants, especially families with young children, the federal government has decided that affixing these monitors to the ankles of immigrants is a practical, cheap, and relatively easy way to allow illegal immigrants to go about their daily routine, but also alert authorities if they attempt to flee.

It is a solution that, on the surface, would seem to satisfy both sides of the immigration debate. Immigration hawks can be confident that illegal aliens are not going to escape justice, and the cost to taxpayers is minimized.
Meanwhile, supporters of illegal immigrants can rest assured that they are not being thrown in jail with hardened criminals and will have some freedom to live a normal life, save for a slight heaviness on one ankle. Clearly, ankle bracelets do not solve the problem, but they are a step in the right direction.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2014...elp-solve-immigration-crisis-christine-sisto/
 
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Two things here.

1. It's not just "serious crimes" as you dishonestly try to pass off here. Its arrest period. If you are placed under arrest for anything and your children are present, unless there is a family member right there with you, those kids are going to DCFS. Fact.

2. Asking for asylum is a process, unless done correctly, it is just an excuse to attempt to avoid prosecution for entering illegally.

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That should have read "isn't" in point 1

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Obama did it?
Yes he did.

https://www.themaven.net/theresurge...nts-at-the-border-too-x2RRroJxtk-iUfpdiPIbJQ/

Children are separated from their parents in the U.S. for all kinds of reasons. That is not the topic of this thread and conflating an immigration policy with those circumstances is not accurate.
How is it not the topic? there is no difference in pulling a kid out of a US home for X reason and separating a kid at the border for X reason.

the fact is that in both cases the kids are pulled out of their home and away from their parents for X reason. what those reasons are vary from case to case.
 
i am simply waiting for the same frothing of the mouth outrage by liberals is all.

We're pretty pissed off, dude. This is a horrible practice that needs to end. Is there some reason you want it to continue?
 
We're pretty pissed off, dude. This is a horrible practice that needs to end. Is there some reason you want it to continue?

nope i am waiting for the 500 threads railing against obama and clinton, CPS and other such agencies that separate kids from their parents.
I am hoping to see some sort of consistency but i doubt i am going to get it.

this should really piss you off then.

https://www.themaven.net/theresurge...nts-at-the-border-too-x2RRroJxtk-iUfpdiPIbJQ/

The left, in fact, went nuts over an ACLU report that showed rampant child abuse from children detained without their parents. The problem was that the report covered 2009-2014, a period when Barack Obama was President.

the photo's at the bottom which are the ones circulating around the internet were obama.

https://qz.com/1291470/photos-immigrant-children-detained-at-the-placement-center-in-2014/
so i will wait for you to start a thread of your outrage on the acts of the obama administration.

my solution is simple.

expedited asylum hearings.

line them up see if they fit the criteria for asylum which about 75% do not and then ship them to the deportation line right there.
simple easy and they can all go back as a family.

shouldn't take more than 10-15 minutes a case.
 
nope i am waiting for the 500 threads railing against obama and clinton,
Neither of these people are president. They can't end the practice. "What about Obama" doesn't justify the concentration camps no matter how hard you desperately wished it did. I know the right wing media has convinced you that Obama's actions and this are equivalent, and that nothing can convince you otherwise. I don't care. You're defending cruelty because you think someone else was also cruel.

CPS and other such agencies that separate kids from their parents.
From abusive parents. Jesus. Let me guess, you think kids should stay with their abusers? That would be consistent with the right-wing hatred of children.



this should really piss you off then.

https://www.themaven.net/theresurge...nts-at-the-border-too-x2RRroJxtk-iUfpdiPIbJQ/

The left, in fact, went nuts over an ACLU report that showed rampant child abuse from children detained without their parents. The problem was that the report covered 2009-2014, a period when Barack Obama was President.

the photo's at the bottom which are the ones circulating around the internet were obama.

https://qz.com/1291470/photos-immigrant-children-detained-at-the-placement-center-in-2014/
so i will wait for you to start a thread of your outrage on the acts of the obama administration.

my solution is simple.

expedited asylum hearings.

line them up see if they fit the criteria for asylum which about 75% do not and then ship them to the deportation line right there.
simple easy and they can all go back as a family.

shouldn't take more than 10-15 minutes a case.

You want to give people 10 minute trials in a court of law. Yeah, you don't give a **** about due process. This is Deuce's complete lack of surprise.

Fun fact: some of these people have gotten hearings that last less than a minute. Do you support that too?
 
I've read multiple stories of these parents, some before the Zero Tolerance policy was put in place.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...treat-other-criminals/?utm_term=.375409f26fad

There are other parents in that story.

Deported without her child.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/immigration-deported-parents.html

Since there is no protocol or policy to keep track of the kids for the purpose of reuniting them, it will become much more common.
Its funny cause I mentioned ankle bracelets as a way to keep track of them and got attacked for suggesting it.

How do you feel about the EO Trump signed to keep the families together. Does it satisfy your concerns? Also it hinges on the judge relaxing her order and allowing the gov to keep children in their custody for longer than 20 days when necessary. If she refuses to do that are you gonna be upset with her or Trump? It's her ruling that is behind a lot of these problems.

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Neither of these people are president. They can't end the practice. "What about Obama" doesn't justify the concentration camps no matter how hard you desperately wished it did. I know the right wing media has convinced you that Obama's actions and this are equivalent, and that nothing can convince you otherwise. I don't care. You're defending cruelty because you think someone else was also cruel.


From abusive parents. Jesus. Let me guess, you think kids should stay with their abusers? That would be consistent with the right-wing hatred of children.





You want to give people 10 minute trials in a court of law. Yeah, you don't give a **** about due process. This is Deuce's complete lack of surprise.

Fun fact: some of these people have gotten hearings that last less than a minute. Do you support that too?

I support that.

Judge: "Did you cross the border illegally?"

Illegal alien: "Si, senor."

Case closed, deportation order issued by court minions. Next one, please.
 
The president's authority over criminal investigations. He can direct the DOJ to cease criminal investigations against asylum seekers and their children. The families can be released with an order to return for court dates to evaluate their asylum cases.
Why should he do that? They willingly broke the law and they should pay the consequence.

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I support that.

Judge: "Did you cross the border illegally?"

Illegal alien: "Si, senor."

Case closed, deportation order issued by court minions. Next one, please.

You... really don't know what an asylum request is, do you?
 
Why should he do that? They willingly broke the law and they should pay the consequence.

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It's not illegal to come into the US and request asylum. In fact, you're required to be on US soil to do it.
 
It's not illegal to come into the US and request asylum. In fact, you're required to be on US soil to do it.
They are not being charged for seeking asylum. At this point I would not think it would need to be pointed out to you. Your either being intentionally misleading or your woefully misinformed

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President Trump on Wednesday signed an executive order to allow children to stay with parents caught crossing the border illegally -- moving to stop the family separations that have triggered a national outcry and political crisis for Republicans.

The measure would allow children to stay in detention with parents for an extended period of time. This comes as congressional Republicans scramble to draft legislation to address the same issue, but face challenges mustering the votes.

In signing the measure, Trump said he wants to keep families together while also enforcing border security. He vowed his administration's "zero tolerance" policy for illegal immigration would continue.


Trump signs executive order to stop family separations at border | Fox News
 
Neither of these people are president. They can't end the practice. "What about Obama" doesn't justify the concentration camps no matter how hard you desperately wished it did. I know the right wing media has convinced you that Obama's actions and this are equivalent, and that nothing can convince you otherwise. I don't care. You're defending cruelty because you think someone else was also cruel.
They were presidents and they allowed it to go on. as i said i didn't expect you to rant and rail.

From abusive parents. Jesus. Let me guess, you think kids should stay with their abusers? That would be consistent with the right-wing hatred of children.

Do you not realize that CPS can come take your kids for whatever reason they want? you are then required to spend thousands of dollars and months to get your kids
back that they took without due process. all they have are allegations. other times kids are removed when their parents have committed a crime as such in these cases.



You want to give people 10 minute trials in a court of law. Yeah, you don't give a **** about due process. This is Deuce's complete lack of surprise.
Fun fact: some of these people have gotten hearings that last less than a minute. Do you support that too?

How long does it take to prove you need asylum?

the criteria for asylum are pretty clear. unless they can prove one of those 4 or 5 times it is pretty quick.
15 minutes is enough time to determine if they have a case for asylum.

http://trac.syr.edu/immigration/reports/448/

most do not in fact a large portion of the people claiming asylum are denied from the countries they are coming from.

FY 2011 - FY 2016, Mexico had the highest denial rate with nine out of ten (89.6%) turned down. The three Central American countries that have had large numbers arriving seeking asylum also had very high denial rates - El Salvador (82.9%), Honduras (80.3%), and Guatemala (77.2%).
 
yes we know you can't help your intellectual dishonesty. i proved in this thread.
The fact is that previous administrations separated kids from their families that was the outrage and now you are moving the goal posts.
.

I never moved the goal posts. I challenge you to find one post where I explained what was going on and did not point out that in the past previous administrations had only separated kids when they believed the kids were being trafficked, a parent had committed a felon, or they were concerned a parent was a danger to the child.

I am not even talking about just this thread either, every time I have mentioned it on this site, I have pointed it out:

https://www.debatepolitics.com/poll...cartoonist-fired-w-56-a-5.html#post1068662470

https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...but-republicans-approve-3.html#post1068658400

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...-border-breaks-my-heart-8.html#post1068655826

https://www.debatepolitics.com/gene...but-republicans-approve-3.html#post1068658400

https://www.debatepolitics.com/brea...ld-tender-age-shelters-20.html#post1068666047

I have been completely consistent every time this issue has been discussed on this forum. Every time.

Finally, this is not about "faux outrage". It is not outrage at all. I am not angry about 2000 kids being needlessly separated from their parents, I am saddened and upset about it, and shame on anyone that isn't.
 
Wow, this "nonprofit" Southwest Key Programs is making a cool 458 million from this and has made over a billion. No wonder they don't mind opening another one.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/imm...ate-shelters-immigrant-children-southwest-key



Just damn.

Yes, it is costing us a lot more to separate families than it would to keep them together.

From the following:
WASHINGTON — The cost of holding migrant children who have been separated from their parents in newly created "tent cities" is $775 per person per night, according to an official at the Department of Health and Human Services — far higher than the cost of keeping children with their parents in detention centers or holding them in more permanent buildings.
... keeping children with their parents in detention centers like the one run by U.S. Customs and Immigration Enforcement in Dilley, Texas cost $298 per resident per night, according to an agency estimate when it awarded the contract for the facility in 2014.
At those prices, the additional cost to operate a 400-bed temporary structure for one month at capacity would be more than $5 million. The average stay for separated kids is nearly two months.

NBC News: Tent cities cost millions more than keeping migrant kids with parents

Let me repeat that the average stay for separated kids is nearly 2 months!
 
Because they have crossed the border illegally. What is this so hard to understand? What you want is to allow fence jumpers at the white house to then claim "I'm here for the tour!"

You don't want to be charged with a crime before applying for asylum? Great! We don't want you breaking the law either! The way you do it is by entering through the designated ports.

They weren't previously charged with a crime. Because of Sessions new Zero Tolerance, they now are charged with a crime. That is what lead to this crisis. It was completely avoidable. As I quoted earlier:
Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

There's the law.

But it was Obama who "arranged" for 2 loads of mass immigration from Latin America.
The first one was not publicized much in the media, however, the second one, for which Obama's administration had received notice of several months in advance, is the one we all saw on TV for weeks on end.
These fake "immigration" events were arranged and facilitated by Obama himself.

You may not agree with the source below, but you can't argue or deny the timeline and actions Obama undertook that led to 2 mass immigrations under his administration, starting with his April 2009 Summit of the Americas.


https://theconservativetreehouse.co...eparations-with-a-historic-recap/#more-150718

I don't have time to guess which of the 5 links of declassified information you are wanting me to open and what inside those links, you think is pertinent to your claim. Please quote and link the information you wis

Yes he did.

https://www.themaven.net/theresurge...nts-at-the-border-too-x2RRroJxtk-iUfpdiPIbJQ/


How is it not the topic? there is no difference in pulling a kid out of a US home for X reason and separating a kid at the border for X reason.

the fact is that in both cases the kids are pulled out of their home and away from their parents for X reason. what those reasons are vary from case to case.

No, he didn't:
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...bama-administration-separate-families-n884856
No, Donald Trump?s separation of immigrant families was not Barack Obama?s policy | PunditFact

Trump aims to prosecute everyone for a crime and that's what is separating kids from their parents since zero tolerance was implemented. Obama did not have a widespread practice that resulted in the separation of families and where they were separated it was under the suspicion that there was trafficking going on.

Its funny cause I mentioned ankle bracelets as a way to keep track of them and got attacked for suggesting it.

How do you feel about the EO Trump signed to keep the families together. Does it satisfy your concerns? Also it hinges on the judge relaxing her order and allowing the gov to keep children in their custody for longer than 20 days when necessary. If she refuses to do that are you gonna be upset with her or Trump? It's her ruling that is behind a lot of these problems.

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I didn't mention ankle bracelets. I've heard some bad things about them, but I haven't studied that.

I haven't had a chance to read it. What I've heard reported doesn't please me. Zero Tolerance is still in effect. ICE will continue to arrest people. Criminal charges are going to be brought against the parents. They could go to jail and their children will be without them again. What judge? I haven't read that. Please link. No, it's Trump's Zero Tolerance that caused this problem.
 
They weren't previously charged with a crime. Because of Sessions new Zero Tolerance, they now are charged with a crime. That is what lead to this crisis. It was completely avoidable. As I quoted earlier:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

There's the law.



I don't have time to guess which of the 5 links of declassified information you are wanting me to open and what inside those links, you think is pertinent to your claim. Please quote and link the information you wis



No, he didn't:
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...bama-administration-separate-families-n884856
No, Donald Trump?s separation of immigrant families was not Barack Obama?s policy | PunditFact

Trump aims to prosecute everyone for a crime and that's what is separating kids from their parents since zero tolerance was implemented. Obama did not have a widespread practice that resulted in the separation of families and where they were separated it was under the suspicion that there was trafficking going on.



I didn't mention ankle bracelets. I've heard some bad things about them, but I haven't studied that.

I haven't had a chance to read it. What I've heard reported doesn't please me. Zero Tolerance is still in effect. ICE will continue to arrest people. Criminal charges are going to be brought against the parents. They could go to jail and their children will be without them again. What judge? I haven't read that. Please link. No, it's Trump's Zero Tolerance that caused this problem.


There are no 5 links, only 1, and there is no declassified info.
 
Its unconscionable to separate babies from their mothers at abortion clinics too but it happens every day.

People like you treat children like comic books, they are only worth something when they are in their original wrappings.
 
They weren't previously charged with a crime. Because of Sessions new Zero Tolerance, they now are charged with a crime. That is what lead to this crisis. It was completely avoidable. As I quoted earlier:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

There's the law.



I don't have time to guess which of the 5 links of declassified information you are wanting me to open and what inside those links, you think is pertinent to your claim. Please quote and link the information you wis



No, he didn't:
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/i...bama-administration-separate-families-n884856
No, Donald Trump?s separation of immigrant families was not Barack Obama?s policy | PunditFact

Trump aims to prosecute everyone for a crime and that's what is separating kids from their parents since zero tolerance was implemented. Obama did not have a widespread practice that resulted in the separation of families and where they were separated it was under the suspicion that there was trafficking going on.



I didn't mention ankle bracelets. I've heard some bad things about them, but I haven't studied that.

I haven't had a chance to read it. What I've heard reported doesn't please me. Zero Tolerance is still in effect. ICE will continue to arrest people. Criminal charges are going to be brought against the parents. They could go to jail and their children will be without them again. What judge? I haven't read that. Please link. No, it's Trump's Zero Tolerance that caused this problem.
Just a question Gina, aren't you Australian?

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There are no 5 links, only 1, and there is no declassified info.
Then what is it on that page that you wish me to read? Please quote. I'm not rope-a-doping you. I want to know specifically what it is you want me to read.

Just a question Gina, aren't you Australian?

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No I am not Australian. I was born and raised in the U.S.
 
Yes, we know Obama's admin more often just let the families through and lost total track of them... how is that good for America?


Woah there, Trump didn't create the problem, people trying to enter the country illegally did, people coming here because they are told they can get free welfare, social security, housing, education paid for, jobs (at pay well uner what a US Citizen would get).

Intentionally separating children from their parents, is not the way to solve the broken immigration system. It makes monsters of us.
 
Exactly, because they're criminals and you don't know what sort of abuse and crimes they would have been subjected to by their parents seeking asylum in the United States. By very virtue of attempting to come to our country, they demonstrated how unfit they are to be parents. But who better to be a parent then government? Government is the solution to everything, and government will provide the better parent by taking these poor and potentially abused children from their potentially abusive parents and instead put them into detention centers for unspecified periods of times.

With a great possibility some of them will never be reunited with their parents. But at least they won't be with those horrible, awful parents who sought asylum in the country oft described as a Beacon of Freedom.
 
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